Have you spent any length of time in the UK? If you have, you will understand. At first glance, you may think that the two countries are remarkably similar, but dig deeper and you find many differences.
Yes I have, and I agree.
As for your comments on the aboriginal designs used by QF, are you saying that to have non-indigenous artwork would not be Australian?
Not once did I say that having a non-indigenous design on the QANTAS aircraft would be un-Australian. Indeed you only have to go the NSW art gallery of the Archibald Prize to see world class Australian art. But, as you and Yyz717 have pointed out on numerous occasions, there is a marked British (I.e: western) influence on this country. It stems to the Art world. I was suggesting that the reason QF chose such a scheme is because it is exclusive to Australia but never have I said that having, say a Tom Roberts style painting would be un-Australian.
? I thought the whole tenant of your argument was that Australia is the sum total of peoples from all over the world who have come here to make it their home?
Indeed you are correct, nice to see you catching on.
Just because the Aboriginal people arrived here first, why does that make them more Australian than non-aboriginals?
It doesn't. You cannot be more Australian than anyone else nor have I suggested otherwise.
Why is their contribution any less significant or original, just because, as you say, this stuff is 'the same' as that which comes from UK/US/Canada etc?
I challenge you to show me a style of non-indigenous Australian artwork that is exclusive to this country.
According to your original argument, this is still 'Australian' and should be celebrated.
Of course it should be celebrated. I love this country and like to celebrate all things that make it up. This includes the huge contribution made by non-British Australians, despite what you may say.
Perhaps you don't really believe that after all or that shades of hypocrisy have crept into your argument?
I think that you are leveling that tag of hypocrisy as a cheap attempt to undermine my argument. Sorry, its not going to work. My opinions are stronger than that.
Nobody is be-littling the contributions made by non-anglos to this country, YYZ has attempted to put things into perspective, that's all.
I know exactly what he has done. He has attempted to belittle the contribution made by non-British-Australians by suggesting that because the British population is so high here that we should disregard the contribution of others. I do not agree with him, but as I have pointed out - it seems that you are coming around to my arguments. Thanks.
My Canadian friend, nice to know you have such a vested interest in our country. I wonder how you would feel If I began belittling the contribution made by Canadian aboriginies and the non-British-canadians. Something tells me you would probably agree with me. Quelle Surprise.
There appears to be a world-wide trend to dismiss the contributions, background & norms of anglo-saxons particularly in countries with high 3rd world immigration, such as Canada, Australia, the US and the UK......Ironically all countries with anglo-saxon majorities.
You really should go into stand-up comedy. What a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black. You have continuously dismissed the contributions made to Australia by those not from Britain yet here you are claiming that it is now the great minority of the non-British that are dismissing you! What a dismissive bunch we are. Give me a break, I think it is only fair that minorities have a voice, just as the British did and have. Don't act like you are a minority, you have NO idea what you are talking about. It is a hard world, and it seems to me that until all of those who are non-anglo-saxon go back to where they came from you will continue to dismiss them.
Anglo-saxons (indeed, Britons) are the LARGEST immigrant groups in Australia, Canada & the US.
Indeed, Anglo-saxons don't sound as fragile there as you earlier made them out to be.
Without the British diaspora, there would be no Australia, Canada or USA as we know them today.
Indeed, but you just see how much of an Australia, Canada or USA there would have been without Chinese, Greek, Italian immigration and the existence of Aboriginies.
The British made the largest single contribution to nation building in Australia of all immigrant groups.
Correct, do you want to know why? I quote an earlier post of mine:
Ever heard of Terra Nullius? The policy of dispersal and dispossession? The Era of 'protection'? The Pre-WWII policy of Assimilation and Integration? The White Australia Policy? The Genocide of Indigenous Tasmanians?
Sure, Anglo-Saxons have done much good for Australia, but don't disregard or conveniently forget all the bad.
I also take not of the fact that in all of your posts, you have never actually said whether the contribution made by the UK to such realms as the US/CA/AU/NZ were for the better? Is your subconscious trying to tell you something?
It is quite evident to me that you both can sit there in your comfortable chairs and type away, quoting history and conveniently skimming over sections, but I bet none of you know the reality. Things are not as equal as you think that they are. Whites are not as vilified as you believe. When my mother first moved to rural New South Wales from Bhutan, she was spat on by the locals. She couldn't get a job, people wouldn't serve her in shops - it was not a happy time. Eventually and against all odds she managed to begin a very successful business. She had trouble getting clients, even the rest of the Asian population didn't want to deal with her because she wasn't Chinese or Vietnamese. Things were hard yet she succeeded. I merit her success to the multi-culturalisation of this country. If the colonial British back-hand was still in complete force, I guarantee you she would not have had the success that she did. I know that the British did a lot for this country, but I challenge Yyz717 to admit the same for non-British Australians.
Are you up to the challenge?
Fighting for the glory of the Australian Republic.