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Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:33 am

Germany punishes man for dressing kids as bombers

A German court yesterday sentenced a Palestinian resident of Berlin to 300 hours of community service for dressing his three children up as suicide bombers during an anti-Israel demonstration in Berlin last April. The 33-year-old, who was convicted of glorifying a crime, also got a five-month suspended jail sentence for wrapping his children in rolls of cardboard painted to look like sticks of dynamite. The costumes were lauded in the Palestinian Authority at the time, but the German public was shocked by both the implied support for suicide bombings and the man's use of his children for this purpose.

(Haaretz and Itim)





Glorifying blind terror in the streets of Berlin; there are at least some limits to the "liberty of expression" and the public call to murder.




 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:36 am

this may be off topic, but how do you dress like a suicide bomber? dont they look like normal people?
Go big or go home
 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:11 pm

AA61hvy, "normal people" don't wrap themselves in rolls of cardboard painted to look like sticks of dynamite...


 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:39 pm

Instead of punishing him with such a ridiculous sentence they should have exported him & his family back to Palestine. There he can blew his kids up just for fun.....

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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Tue Nov 19, 2002 10:55 pm

For once, I think I agree with CrewChief-send them back to Palestine, so this man can teach his children someday to do it for real, since he obviously values their lives not at all.
 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:45 pm

Agreed.

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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:07 am

I´m not that familiar with this particular case, but before y´all jump to conclusions about deporting the guy etc.: he might be a refugee facing political persecution in his home country. He might not even have a nationality. He might be a naturalised German. In all these cases, a person can´t be deported. In any case, his sentence is not severe enough (i.e. not more than 3 years) to legally warrant deportation.

Plus, imagine every foreign delinquent didn´t have to face serving a jail sentence but being sent home - quite a deterrent, huh? Even if it costs a lot of taxpayers´ money, our legal system requires foreign convicts to serve at least half, more commonly two thirds of their prison term before being deported.

>>>With Germany's horrific past, why are Germans surprised?

I´m not sure I get what you want to say, david b. - care to elaborate?

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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:11 am

He will probably be sent home. He was in his asylum trial period, and commiting a crime during this time usually means a free flight on Lufthansa deportation class. (That's how the left-extreme "let everybody in our country no matter what it costs and what he's like" guys call the back-home flights of denied asylum seekers).

 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:12 am

I also agree with CrewChief,just send the bugger back to whatever war torn desert he comes from so he can blow his kids up for real.That guy must be sick in the head!!
 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:58 am

Why not dress him up as a homicide bomber and dump him out of a van in downtown Tel Aviv? That would be fun.
 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:58 am

I've agreed to everything said on this thread so far, except your comment TNNH. Generalizing a religion, country, race is childish. Is every Canadian a lumberjack, is every American obese, does all the English have rotten teeth? No. True, some morons have been making the Middle-East look bad, but let's not fall in the trap and believing everyone is like that. They are bad apples everywhere.
 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:15 am

I've agreed to everything said on this thread so far, except your comment TNNH. Generalizing a religion, country, race is childish. Is every Canadian a lumberjack, is every American obese, does all the English have rotten teeth? No. True, some morons have been making the Middle-East look bad, but let's not fall in the trap and believing everyone is like that. They are bad apples everywhere.


Agree  Big thumbs up Too bad some people will never understand.
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:28 am

From David.B

With Germany's horrific past, why are Germans surprised?

Agree Too bad some people will never understand.

When I said I agreed with everything in this thread except TNNH comment I forgot about your childish comment about Germany's past. Too bad some people have to go back 50 years to find something to say about a topic. Ridiculous.

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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:08 am

Is every Canadian a lumberjack
Some are dog sled drivers.

is every American obese
In that America is the land of the "super sized" burger and fries, do you REALLY need to ask?

does all the English have rotten teeth?
Reminds me of the world's shortest joke: An Englishman was on his way to the dentist.
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:32 am

comment I forgot about your childish comment about Germany's past.

Agree  Big thumbs up Too bad some people will never understand.
 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:08 am

...they should have exported him & his family back to Palestine. There he can BLOW UP his KIDS just for fun... (posted by CrewChief32 and Alpha1 thinks he agrees with him).

Very clever solution guys. Either this is very tasteless humor (blowing up kids) or you suriously supporting what you wrote.
In the later case, you're no hair better than those who dress up their kids as suicide bombers...
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:15 am

I think it was dark humor.

In the later case, you're no hair better than those who dress up their kids as suicide bombers...

True, true but Im sure it was dark humor on their behalf.
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Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:26 am

Manni,

What do you think about this guy dressing up his kids like this?
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:41 am

DAVIDB.
I'm sure to, but there are certain things you should not make fun of.

Tbar220,
Reread my post.  Big grin
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:45 am

Manni,

no tasteless humor intended here!

CC32
 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:22 pm

So if no tasteless humor is intended "Torsten"- you "intended" to be serious - meaning you really wanted him to "[blow] his kids up just for fun".

ok... i'm a little confused here. maybe you can clarify this for us because I don't think ........you really want him to blow his kids up. Right? You didn't really want this........ did you "Torsten"?? Your just trying to be a little funny right?

Yeah I thought so. Work on that humor champ. Watch some Jackie Mason.

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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:11 pm

Russ,

I will try to explain it to you as good as possible, but please be aware that English is not my first language.
The picture you see up there shows a man who has "armed" (disguised?)his kid with fake dynamite sticks and the kid makes the "V" (for Victory?) sign with her fingers of the right hand.
Now does this look funny to you??? Would you consider this a suitable dress for carneval??
To me this picture shows a father who would most likely have no problems with sending his kid with real dynamite sticks (or any kind of explosive material placed around the body) to any given place to launch a suicidial attack.
And in reference to the "V"-sign, do you really believe that a kid of this age does understand the political background of everything that happens in the middle east at the moment??? I doubt that this kid has ever heard, has seen or did read a point of view from the non-palestinian side.

Would you like to have such people as your neighbours?? I don`t want to, for sure. Now let`s export him back to where he & his familiy came from as they clearly demonstrated that they do not respect us, our hospitality and even less our law.

CC32

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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:38 pm

I´m not that familiar with this particular case, but before y´all jump to conclusions about deporting the guy etc.: he might be a refugee facing political persecution in his home country.

Right-he's showing support for the terrorists in his "home country", so how could he be a refugee from political persecution in this case? And, if I were Germany, I"d make him a "refugee" back to his home country so he can make his dream of blowing up his kids a reality.

Very clever solution guys. Either this is very tasteless humor (blowing up kids) or you suriously supporting what you wrote.

Manni, there was no humor at all in what I said-not one iota. I meant it. Obviously this guy thinks suicide bombers are something great, or else why dress up his kids as them? Most people "dress up", like for Halloween here, in something they or their parents like. Get it now?

In the later case, you're no hair better than those who dress up their kids as suicide bombers...

I don't know how you come to that conclusion, Manni. What this guy did was disgusting and sick, in my view. How am I no better than them-by saying Germany should send him back where he came from, so he can add his children's name to the "list of shame" of those who blow themselves up to take other lives? You need a reality check.



 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:47 pm

Alpha 1, whatever you think about this guy, would you care to explain why you think his kid should get blown up?

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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:07 pm

Alpha 1, whatever you think about this guy, would you care to explain why you think his kid should get blown up?

Airways1, re-read what I said: THIS GUYS obviously wants his kids blown up, else why would he dress them up as he did? Did you NOT read that I said what he did was disgusting and sick? Or did you conveniently skip that? I don't think ANYONE should want their kids to be blown up, but in certain cultures, obviously, that's not the case.

 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:11 pm

Airways1,

this kid will be like her father when she has grown up: teaching her kid(s) the same "hate & kill" mentality as her father does right now with her. So why care for such kids??? Sending her back to Palestine only increases her chances of becoming a "hero"......and her father`s dream would be reality!

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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:26 pm

i wouldnt want him and his family to be deported back to the ME, they would more than likely kill more innocent civilians over in Israel then and that would be a trajedy. Why allow them even the chance to kill innocent bystanders.
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:43 am

Alpha1,

Altough I know it is pointless discussing with you...

Crew Chief32 writes...
There he can blow up his children just for fun...

Alpha1 replies,

For once, I think I agree with CrewChief32...

You are clearly supporting the fact that he can blow up his children, therefore you are no better than him.
You go and get a reality check instead of recommanding me one  Big thumbs up
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Fri Nov 22, 2002 1:37 am

CrewChief32 : Instead of punishing him with such a ridiculous sentence they should have exported him & his family back to Palestine. There he can blew his kids up just for fun.....

Alpha 1: For once, I think I agree with CrewChief

Alpha 1: And, if I were Germany, I"d make him a "refugee" back to his home country so he can make his dream of blowing up his kids a reality.

Manni: Very clever solution guys. Either this is very tasteless humor (blowing up kids) or you suriously supporting what you wrote.

Alpha 1: Manni, there was no humor at all in what I said-not one iota. I meant it.

So, Alpha 1, thank you for telling me the guy wants his kid blown up. Now I'll give you another chance to answer my question, Alpha 1. Whatever you think about this guy, would you care to explain why YOU think his kid should get blown up, as you have quite clearly expressed in your posts?

airways1

P.S. Although I don't expect you to understand this, Alpha 1, just because a few people do this does not make it a characteristic of a culture for one to want their kids blown up, as you so stupidly stated. No more than, say, it's part of American culture to be fat and ignorant, or go round sniping people.
 
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RE: Germany Punishes Man For Dressing Kids As Bombers

Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:41 am

CC32:

Thanks for the response. I understand what you meant now. You were more concnered with him leaving Germany than him destroying his children. I see that now.

later
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