FACT: The IDF did not "invade Jenin".
Your playing with words ..
in·vade ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-vd)
v. in·vad·ed, in·vad·ing, in·vades
To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage.
Pretty much describes what happened.
The IDF raided the home of a wanted Islamic Jihad terrorist in the Jenin refugee camp, Abdullah Wahsh.
Manni - 1, TNNH - 0
Why are United Nations administered refugee camps haboboring Islamic Jihad terrorist fugitives?
Because the refugee camp is full of people who need help. Unlike you, these people don't judge the whole because of the behaviour of the one. Additionally, this is an ALLEGED home of an ALLEGED terrorist. In light of the CONSTANT embarrasing errors made by the IDF, i'd like to see them err on the side of caution. Did they kill this terrorist?
FACT: Nope. There was no report anywhere that the IDF blew up any houses in the Jenin camp. The IDF raided the house of an Islamic Jihad fugitive hiding in a United Nations administed refugee camp outside Jenin.
The description "United Nations administered refugee camp" appears to be incorrect by the way TNNH.
As reported by the Australian Government Media Outlett
No, I see no report of blowing anything up, and we use the term "incursion".
in·cur·sion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-kûrzhn, -shn)
An aggressive entrance into foreign territory; a raid or invasion.
Incursion as you can see means invasion.
Manni - 1, TNNH - 0
By the way, he could have been confused .. it was in Bethlehem
that the IDF blew up a house .. so whilst he has the wrong house the action is correct ...
FACT: The IDF raided a the house of an Islamic Jihad fugitive during which a fierce gun battle broke out between terrorists and soldiers. A boy (some reports say 10, some say 11) was killed in the cross-fire. An investigation is underway to determine what happened.
Logic dictates that had the IDF not entered Jenin then the boy would still be alive. Additionally, our reports say 12 so i'm calling you innacurate here also (although given his rapid rise in age he'll have died of old age sometime during this afternoon)....
However the media are reporting that the child was throwing rocks at the IDF and the IDF threw bullets back, i'm pretty sure that counts as a point to Mannis side.
Manni - 2, TNNH - 0
(although it could be argued that had the suicide bombers not killed Isrealis the boy would be alive, but as i've never seen the pro-Israeli lobby put any deep thought into their comments i'll not go that extra step).
FACT: The woman Caoimhe Butterly, 24, from Dublin, Ireland was indeed not British, she was Irish.
Now you're playing with semantics, it's entirely possible that the news reports Manni was hearing said British, i'm giving him the point because of your pettiness.
Manni - 3, TNNH - 0
Furthermore, she was not a "journalist" she was an active supporter, activist/member of the pro-Palestinian International Solidarity Movement who has been living in the camp for half a year. Butterly was quickly evacuated by the IDF to a hospital in Israel for medical treatment.
Can't confirm or deny this as the incident has been largely ignored by the Australian media and the one site I found it on didn't go into that much detail.
Manni 3, TNNH - 0
FACT: Your confused again. Ian Hook (50 y/o), a British, not Irish, national was killed today in the Jenin refugee camp.
Childish play on words ... taking a point from you ... By the way, CNN describe him as a "British National" ...
Manni - 3, TNNH - -1
The IDF has said it is unclear who killed Hook and the matter is under investigation.
The media says the bullets used are the type the IDF use ... and an investigation by the IDF is bound to be tainted (as tainted as an investigation by the Palestinians). The IDF have a history of indiscriminate shooting
Manni - 4, TNNH - -1
The Palestinians, naturally, are prematurely fingering the Israelis.
and the IDF are naturally, fingering the Palestinians.....
Hook was the first UN official to die during the last two years of Mideast fighting.
But not the first foreigner to be caught in the fighting. Indeed there are documented instances of the IDF targetting foreigners and media for no valid reasons.
The Islamic Jihad is listed as a terrorist organization by the EU and the USA.
And it's reasonable for the IDF to go after terrorists, however as usual they've managed to catch everyone else in the crossfire as they attempt to revenge yet another attack on Israeli civilians, irregardless of whether the citizens are in Israel or elsewhere when attacked. Personally I think if the Israelis are in Palestine and they're killed well bully for them
. The 2 "states" are at war, if these people don't stay in their own state they get what they deserve. If they're in Israel then it's a totally different story.
Regardless, it's nothing more than a circle of violence that is starting to bore the rest of the world. The world (less the United States) have lost patience with the behaviour of Israel and Israel is damn lucky that OBL has the world focussed elsewhere.
Manni - 4, TNNH - -1