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Ramadan Is Going By...

Sat Nov 30, 2002 7:30 pm


The Muslims are living the last ten days of the holly month of Ramadan,and i have to say that i am really regretting that.Regreting ? Yes,regretting !!!
Maybe Ramadan for you is the month of hunger,thirst...but for me and for all the faithfulls,it is the month of real spiritual pleasures !!!
Believe that hunger,thirst and the waiting of the ,at sunset,when we stop fasting,are a part of this pleasure !!!
Ramadan is the month of emancipation from hell,you imagine that,God is great,just you fast for thirty days,you pray correctly,you exceed in reading and learning Quran,you spend money and help the needy persons,you keep yourself from the immoral sins of lying,being harsh,...and mabruk,congratulations,you are emancipated incha'allah,from the horrible hell God promised to the...those you know ???

After fasting we go praying,and what a pray ?

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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sat Nov 30, 2002 7:55 pm

Ts-ior, I'm happy you were able to achieve spiritual growth during Ramadan. However, shouldn't spiritual enlightenment be experienced every day instead of just during one month? What's the point of setting aside one month for this special occasion? If one's goal is self-improvement and attainment of divine nature, shouldn't this each day be Ramadan?

After this month, what way of life will Muslims return to?
 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sat Nov 30, 2002 11:14 pm

I second Galaxy5's thoughts. Until the Muslim community finds a way to harness it's extremist sector, most people are going to have a difficult time being comfortable around this religion.

Sure, Christianity has zealots too, but at least Pat Buchanan and his gang aren't out trying to spread their f____d-up beliefs by hijacking airliners and killing off the "infidels". If the worst thing I have to worry about is some Alabama judge who won't remove the Ten Commandments from his courtroom, I'm a happy guy.
 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sat Nov 30, 2002 11:29 pm

Hepkat

The importance of Ramadan is that this is the month in which the first verses of the Qu'ran were revealed by Allah to Mohammed. So I guess for Muslims, this is an important "date" in their religion. But your question could also be reverted to those of the Christian faith; i.e. Why do christians set aside 25th December to give and to share goodwill amongst all "me", when the rest of the year very few people give it a second time.

Galaxy5

What a pathetic post there by you. You know quite well that the people who are responsible for terrorist acts in the name of Islam, are not acting in the Muslim faith.

http://www.qss.org/articles/ramadan/8.html
 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sat Nov 30, 2002 11:56 pm

TS-IOR

Forgot to ask, what will you be doing for Eid El-Fitr? I was invited to spend Eid El-Fitr with a Muslim family (of Lebanese origin) a few years ago when they were living next door to me. I haven't seen so much food in my life  Smile

All others

I suggest you go thru this site: http://www.understanding-islam.com/ for it isn't the responsibility of the Muslim community to make you feel comfortable, but it is the responsbility of all sections of the community to understand other sections, and it seems that very few people bother to do this.

 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 12:03 am

Galaxy5, is it okay to irrationally hate and vilify all people of a given group because of the actions of a very small minority?

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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 12:14 am

Galaxy5

What a pathetic post there by you. You know quite well that the people who are responsible for terrorist acts in the name of Islam, are not acting in the Muslim faith.


Really? Then why do poll after poll show the "faithful" supporting terrorism againt Israel and the west? Why, during this "holy" month, aren't more muslims speaking out against such acts? What Galaxy 5 said was right on the money. It's just for those with their heads buried in the sand who don't get it.

I suggest you go thru this site: http://www.understanding-islam.com/ for it isn't the responsibility of the Muslim community to make you feel comfortable, but it is the responsbility of all sections of the community to understand other sections, and it seems that very few people bother to do this.

Maybe it's time for the Muslim community to get comfortable WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD, not visa-versa. It seems they're the ones who are having trouble with the world, not the other wayaround. And who are you to preach to the rest of us in the face of world-wide terrorism that takes place in the name of Islam?

Again, it's hypocritical to talk about this "holy" month when events like what took place in Kenya the other day happen, and you don't hear ANY condemnation from ANYWHERE in the Muslim world. Until that starts happening, don't tell the rest of the world how peaceful that faith is.
 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 12:22 am

If that majority condemms the actions of the minotity, absolutely Dasa.






But I don't see that happening in this case.


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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 1:24 am

Why do christians set aside 25th December to give and to share goodwill amongst all "me", when the rest of the year very few people give it a second time.

That's not true. There are Christians who constantly help out. Christmas is a religious holiday, when Jesus was born, that's why it's so important. Giving to others is expected of Christians not just on Christmas, but whenever you can.

Also, there are lots of Christian charity organizations, such as the Christian Children's Fund.
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 3:28 am

Alpha 1

Have you got an example of these polls you mention? (For this purpose "internet" polls do not count because they are not reliable). Muslims around the world are speaking out against terrorism. The reason a lot of it goes unheard is because the news outlets chose not to publish or advertise these facts.

I hardly think that the Muslim family (of Indonesian heritage) which lives 4 doors down from me is out at the moment is plotting terrorist acts. At the beginning of Ramadan 3 years ago, which was their first year of them living in the street, they went around to the neighbours explaining that if we hear noise at night that not to worry as they are coming up to Ramadan. I knew all about what happens during Ramadan as I had Muslim neighbours a few years before that so they didn't need to explain it to me, but I know the other neighbours were appreciative of this. And my neighbours are very comfortable with the rest of the world. They live their lives here in this country, much the same as everyone else. They go to work, they pay their taxes, they are raising a family, they have built a house in the suburbs. The only difference is that they practice a different religion. And their example is not a "lone case", but it is the same the world around. But some people on these forums don't see this as being the norm, or they try to twist it as being not the norm.

It is far from hypocritical to talk about Radaman, the Islamic holy month, at this time. What happened in Kenya is a traversity, but I don't think my neighbours are responsible for this. Are TS-IOR and other Muslim members of these forums responsible for what happened in Kenya?

Marco

What I wrote was in response to Hepkat. Now substitute "Muslim" where you have written "Christian" and (except for Christmas), this is exactly how a large majority of the Muslim population live their lives also.
 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 6:20 am

Why can't you let these guys have a decent thread. All the man is saying that the holy month of Ramadan is over and there one day they celebrate for the year is coming up. Let them celebrate. Do you people have to argue. When other people have there Happy Hanukah threads I don't see anyone starting any BS. Same as Christmas or any other religious day.
Tsior:
As a fellow airliners.net member hope you and your family have a happy "EID-MUBARAK" (hope I spelt it right). That also goes to anybody else who celebrates on that day.
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 7:47 am

Some guys here did not understand the topic and the only thing they did was bashing moslems. But to be honest, what do you will expect from people like them?

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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 8:46 am

for it isn't the responsibility of the Muslim community to make you feel comfortable,

Interesting statement Aviatsiya. I don't agree though. It's no secret on these boards that I am terribly concerned about Islam today and have grave doubts that if the current violent trends continue, my western civiliation, and Ts-ior's Islamic one are going to be able to live with one another.

While I'm pleased Ts-ior has found (peaceful?) spiritual growth during his ramadan, I certainly hope he is not alone. Sadly though, I suspect he is. While he has found Islamic spiritual development these past fe weeks- I have found Islamic spiritual underdevelopment. Here's what I've seen during these Islamic holy days:

**An annual worldwide beauty pageant held year after year is attempted in a mixed Islamic/Christian Nigeria. True-believing Nigerian Muslims then set about the holy task of killing, looting and burning while calling for a Nigerian journalist to be murdered, and who could blame them? Not the president of Nigeria, and not the leaders of Islam.

**In Egypt, a hit tvseries, "Horseman Without a Horse," has been offering up anti-Semitic programming to a huge, eager audience. The old forgery, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" — a document purporting to prove that there really is a secret Jewish plot to take over the world, and which was proved long ago to have been faked by Czar Nicholas II's secret police — is treated in this drama series as historical fact. Mind you this is the same Egypt in which the media are rigorously censored to prevent anything that offends the authorities from seeing the light of day

**Then there is the horrifying story of the Dutch Muslim woman, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has had to flee the Netherlands because she said that Muslim men oppressed Muslim women, a vile idea that so outraged Muslim men that they issued death threats against her.

**Next, Azmi Abu Hilayel, whose son Na'el strapped himself with dynamite and blew up an Israeli bus with school kids. Azmi was quoted as saying: "I thanked God when I heard that my son had died in an operation for the sake of God and the homeland." I can't believe that the God of Islam, a God of mercy and compassion, would bless killing anyone's kids

**On top of all this, we just had the imam of a Paris mosque arrested for allegedly helping the airplane shoe-bomber. And we had two U.S. marines shot in Kuwait, a country we helped rescue from Saddam, and then we read about Bonnie Penner a young U.S. missionary nurse at a prenatal clinic in Sidon, Lebanon, which provided care for needy Palestinians and Lebanese. She was shot three times in the face. she was a nurse, caring for Muslims, and she was shot for who she was. What's next....we saw one of our top aid officials in Jordan killed in his front yard for the exact same crime - being an American in the Muslim world.

Now you see why we have young men from most Arab countries who are studying in America be fingerprinted and photographed. We have no choice.

One dim sign of light however: While in Iran - Hashem Aghajari - one of the revolutionaries who stormed the US embassy -- languishes under a sentence of death imposed because he criticized the mullahs who run the country Iranian students nationwide were immature enough to protest against Mr. Aghajari's sentence. But not for nothing: Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, duly rebuked them and threatened to let loose the paramilitary forces on them.

So, while your Ramadan was healthful and enlightening Ts-ior - perhaps you can now see why my civlization is deeply concerned not enough people in yours are undergoing the same growth. Perhaps you can help them Ts-ior? Help them before its too late.

TNNH
 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:03 am

Alpha 1 get your head out of the sand and just maybe....maybe you'll learn something.

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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:23 am

What I wrote was in response to Hepkat. Now substitute "Muslim" where you have written "Christian" and (except for Christmas), this is exactly how a large majority of the Muslim population live their lives also.

I know that it was in response to Hepkat, but I don't agree with it at all.
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:26 am

What I wrote was in response to Hepkat. Now substitute "Muslim" where you have written "Christian" and (except for Christmas), this is exactly how a large majority of the Muslim population live their lives also.

Well, said. I totally agree  Big thumbs up
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:59 am

Have you got an example of these polls you mention? (For this purpose "internet" polls do not count because they are not reliable). Muslims around the world are speaking out against terrorism. The reason a lot of it goes unheard is because the news outlets chose not to publish or advertise these facts.

The last poll I heard about was on ABC News, Nightline, and the numbers were 64% of Palestinians support the terrorism against Israel, as one example. I cannot locate it, and I apologize for that.

And yes, internet polls are a joke.

And can you show me these polls where Muslims are speaking out against terrorism? And guess what? You can access news outlets from all over the world, and American news outlests DO show such polls from time to time, so that's a falsehood.

It is far from hypocritical to talk about Radaman, the Islamic holy month, at this time. What happened in Kenya is a traversity, but I don't think my neighbours are responsible for this. Are TS-IOR and other Muslim members of these forums responsible for what happened in Kenya?

No, but they don't raise their voices in any kind of protest, either, do they. Had this attack happened against Palestinians or Arabs by Israel, they'd be screaming bloody murder. But it was against Israel, so there's only deafening silence.

. Let them celebrate.

When Muslim extremists stop threatening us during our holidays that we wish to celebrate, then maybe we'll give them a break. Until then, forget it.

Alpha 1 get your head out of the sand and just maybe....maybe you'll learn something.

From you, Ohmygosh2211, er, David B? I can't learn a thing from someone who hasn't even ventured one original thought on here EVER. Go back to you world in rose-colored glasses, ok?

Marco, don't bother with David. He hasn't really been the same since SAS23, his hero, departed here. He's never even said anything that is enlightening or intelligent the entire time he's been here. Leave him in his unreal world.
 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 10:15 am

Alpha 1

Here is a an article from the East African Standard

http://www.eastandard.net/headlines/news30112002008.htm

But in regards to Muslims having to condemn these attacks, it is like asking them to apologise over and over again for a crime for which they did not commit.

And I don't think that the Muslim forum members should have to continually condemn these attacks when they are not responsible for them. Plus, you know as well as I do, that if they were to condemn them, that it would inevitably end in flame wars, because this is basically the norm on these forums. Also, does this mean than anyone else (non-Muslim) who does not raise their voice in condemning terrorism are supporters also? Just remember, that these are forums, no far-reaching decisions affecting the global framework are ever going to be made as a result of what you or I, or anyone else for that matter, write on these forums

Marco

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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 10:19 am

Scotty/Aviatsiya/Brissie_Lion/Aviatsiya.ru

What do you not believe? Please my friend, enlighten us.

That's such a general question. How could I answer it all online? Besides Scotty, it's not really the topic is it? You had to come in here and start a debate when this thread was about Ramadan.

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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 11:50 am

Umm Marco, it wasn't Scotty who started the debate, but others such as Hamfist and Galaxy5 who decided to hijack the thread in order to demonise the Muslim faith yet again. He has a right to defend Islam against narrow minded people who believe Islam is 'evil'. I wonder what would happen if I chose to bring Israeli politics into the "Happy Chanukah!" thread?

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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 12:06 pm

Umm Marco, it wasn't Scotty who started the debate,

But instead of just moving on, and talking about Ramdan/Eid he made a comment that started this debate.

but others such as Hamfist and Galaxy5who decided to hijack the thread in order to demonise the Muslim faith yet again.

Ok...but their posts were deleted...

He has a right to defend Islam against narrow minded people who believe Islam is 'evil'.

You can't generalize and call those people narrow minded.

I wonder what would happen if I chose to bring Israeli politics into the "Happy Chanukah!" thread?

It already happened but the posts got deleted.

This thread is about Ramadan, instead of constantly bashing each other, why don't we just stick to the topic and wish the guy a happy Eid?

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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 12:20 pm

TS-ior

Happy Ramadan and Eid Mubarak.
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 12:41 pm

And I don't think that the Muslim forum members should have to continually condemn these attacks when they are not responsible for them.

Thanks for the link to the article. Tha is very heartening to read, and it's needed more.

But I Still disagree with your above quote. I think EVERY Muslim needs to continually condemn these attacks when and where they occur. If they do, then maybe the rest of the world will start believing that Islam is a peaceful faith, because, right now, most of the world does not believe Islam is a faith of peace. Muslims need to be louder and more vocal than anyone in their condemnation, if, I fervently hope, they want to reclaim their religon from these bandits. But when we're met with mostly scared and cowed silence, it gives the opposite impression.

If Muslims start being more vocal, as the Kenyan leaders will, it will 1. Help reclaim that faith from people like OBL and Hamas and 2. Will be a huge step in helping to bring more peace not only to the Middle East, but to the world. There is no one more than I who wish to see people in that faith who truly want peace to throw the yoke of suspicion off their backs.

Thanks, though, Avitsiya, for a well thought-out response, even if I don't agree with all you said, it's nice to debate the issue in such a manner. Well done.
 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:21 pm

Ramadan cost loads of money (and lifes too because of more traffic accidents), people can´t work properly because they´re exhausted because they don´t drink, eat or smoke during day and pray more
than usual. Then they don´t sleep enough during night due that they gather
all family for meals after dawn and step up early before dusk to eat, drink and
smoke.
So in general I think ramadan causes more harm than good....

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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:56 pm

Happy Ramadan Ahmed! Joyeux Ramadan! Big grin

Glad you are finding spiritual pleasures  Smile



TNNH, Super post. Nobody has anything to say about those very valid points, yet again....

-Clovis  Smile

 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Mon Dec 02, 2002 7:31 am

TNNH, Super post. Nobody has anything to say about those very valid points, yet again....

Of course not. It's much easier to call someone a poopyhead then it is to argue devestating facts. whose surprised?

thanks anyway clovis.

PS: more ramadan news from the wonderful world of islam:
Today the US State Department warned Americans not to visit Yemen because of "credible reports that terrorists associated with al Qaeda have planned attacks against U.S. interests in Yemen, and the department anticipates that threats against American citizens in Yemen will continue,"

TNNH
 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Mon Dec 02, 2002 8:16 am

Congrats Ts-ior

Im happy for you. Hope you enjoyed your holiday


Don't congratulate him yet...it's not over...
 
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Mon Dec 02, 2002 8:19 am

Congrats Ts-ior  Big thumbs up

Im happy for you. Hope you enjoyed your holiday  Big thumbs up

May you holiday end soon so I can congratulate you even more  Big thumbs up
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Mon Dec 02, 2002 8:48 am

Tell us more Ts-ior................ we love to hear more  Smile
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RE: Ramadan Is Going By...

Mon Dec 02, 2002 9:16 am

Ramadan Mubabrak to all fellow muslims. It has been a month of reflection and harmony, a month to realise how fellow muslims are suffering around the world.
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