G-KIRAN
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What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 2:07 am

Hear is my plan for a new political party in the UK and I am assuming that my party has just won the general election(fat chance) and I am currently in 10 Downing street being attened by a butler called "jeeves" while an Admiral explains to me how to use nuclear weapons.....So here is what I would do to improve the UK and assuming that I am allowed to do it.....

National Indentity
1.Draw up an oath of allegencience to crown,government and country and make it compulsory for all new citizens.

2.Make it compulsory for either the National Anthem(all 4 verses) or Land of Hope and Glory to be sung everyday in schools.

3.Bring in laws to protect native ethnic Anglo-Saxon/Celtic languages in the UK by making it compulsory for all students in Wales to learn Welsh and for all students in Scotland to learn Gaelic/Scottish(this should keep G-KIRK happy!).

4.Get rid of this political correctness rubbish

5.Introduce national indentity cards.

6.Citizenship class for all pre GCSE classes and newly arrived immigrants.

7.Stop so-called ethnic assemblies,all students must congregrate togather regardless of ethnicity or religion.

8.Schools must represent the society around them and extra emphasis must
be placed on encouraging students to use English more often.

9.If youre born in Britain and live here you are expected to swear allegence to the country and you are expected to intregratre well into mainstream society.

10.Ghettos of immigrants will be broken up and they will be forced to resettle.Let it be known that I was came from the only non-white family in the neighbourhodd and that most of my friends in school where white and that has enabled me to be more British.

11.Take away all heredity titles from the aristocarcy and the members of the royal family except the monarch.Its important that we have a class-less Britain.

12.Stop the tradition of bowing or curtsying to the monarch.

Education
1.Increase education funding to at least 15% of GDP.Our youth is our future!

2.Scrap independent examination boards and have a single examination controlled by the government.

3.Making it compulsory for all pre-university students to have at least one outside curriculum time activity such as sports or a society.

4.Bring back coporal punishment for students who:take or push drugs,are caught vandalising school property,students caught smoking,bullyingetc.All canings must be in the presence of a police officer and social worker.

6.All students must take at least one non British langauge(ie not English,Welsh or Gaelic) for GCSEs and for AS levels.

7.Reduce the coursework and "take it home' exams in the current system.

8.Introduce an official schools table system for schools and universities.

9.Introudce Government schemes which allow gifted and able children from poor backgrounds to enjoy public school education.

10.Create Britains own "Ivy league" comprising of the Universities of Oxford,Cambridge and London among others.These universities will receive extra funding.

11.Place for empahsis on R&D in the areas of computing and genetics.

12.Increase the wages and benefits of teachers,hopefully this will encourage more people to join the profession.Its important that they should understand that they are building and mould our future.

13.Increase the minimum staring salary for a teacher to $40000

14.Students must take examinations in order to progress from one level to another.This way only those that can cope will be advanced whiel those who dont will be given special attention.

Health and social care
1.Increase spending to at least 15% of GDP

2.Build more and more hospitals

3.Increase the wages for doctors(min wage:$55000) and especially nurses(min wage:$45000) and stop recruiting from overseas.

4.Make patients pay subsidised fees for basic treatment.However all life threatning and major operations will still be free.

5.Start more medical schools at universities with increased funding.Also lower the entry requierements from AAA to around ABB.

6.An end to benefits for single mothers under the age of 21.

7.Increased education in schools on AIDS and underage sex.The increasing number of teenage mothers in the UK worrying.

8.People will only be allowed to immigrate to the UK provided that they have a job waiting for them.

9.Scrap the dole as some $80 billion every year is going down the drain.

Crime
1.Bring back the death penalty for all those convicted to first degree murder(must have DNA evidence),rape(must have DNA evidence) and treason.This means that Britain will pull out of the European Convention of Human rights.This also means that the British muslims who fought for the Taleban will be hanged.

2.The trafficking of illegal drugs such as Heroin,Cocaine etc will carry the punishment of at least 10 years in prison upon conviction.

3.The abolishment of trial by jury.The jury will be repeaced by a panel of judges.

4.No-one is above the law and that includes the monarch.

5.Anti-social crimes such as rioting(for what ever reason),vandalism(ie Michael Fay) will be punished by canning.

6.Increased funding and better wages for the police and fire services.

Defence
1.Increase defence spending to 5% of GDP and ensure that it does not drop below 3% of GDP.

2.Provide more and better equipment of our fighting men-and that includes better uniforms for the RAF!

3.Increase Britains ability to project force,such as more aircraft carriers,assault ships and associated equipment.Also increase Britains nuclear deterrent.

4.Acknowledge the role played by Britains armed forces in shaping and protect the country.

5.Stop the downscaling of the armed forces which has been the case for several years now.

6.Increase the wages and benefits substantially for those in the armed forces.

7.Start cadet programs such as the ROTC in every school,so that young children will be encouraged to join the armed forces.

Transport
1.Increase funding!!!!

2.Modernise Britains railways and build high speed lines such as those in France and Japan.

3.Modernise the London Underground and build similar systems for Manchester,Birmingham and Glasgow.

4.Build a massive airport near London and close down LHR and LGW.

5.Upgrade BHX,MAN and Glasgow

Economic Development
1.Stall Britains entry into the Euro for at least 5 more years so that a study can be carried out to see how the Eu-11 countries are doing with the Euro.At the rate they and we are going we are better off without it.

2.Join NAFTA so that we can broaded our trade options and sign more Free Trade Agreements with countries like Japan,China and the rest of the world.

3.Pull Britain out of the EU if a European superstate is on the cards.

4.Pump money into the regeneration on inner city areas especially in the north.

5.Apart from London, other cities such as Birmingham,Cardiff,Manchester and Edinburgh should be given extra funding to turn them into really world class cities with top notch infastrucsture.

These are just some of the things that I would do.

 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 2:23 am

Reduce the beuacracy in teaching,police force etc.
Move more of the public services into the private sector
If we want to increase our presence in peace-keeping,increase the military
Look to expand free trade areas to north africa+eastern europe(romania etc-not the 1st wave of eu expansion)
 
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G-KIRAN

Mon Dec 02, 2002 2:30 am

Well... I think you wouldn´t have to bother about the Euro any more if you implemented your program. The EU would kick out Britain anyway in that case because of human rights violations.

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 2:50 am

For the US (this is gonna look a lot like the Republican ideals):

1. Make saying the pledge of allegiance once a day mandatory in publically funding institutions and public offices, punishable by a fine. If you're going to use the country's money, then you are going to pledge yourself to the country.

2. Pull out of the UN. The UN has lost most of its power, and we end up spending so much money for little return.

3. Get rid of all this private school vouchers nonsense. You have a free public school out there, if you choose for your kids not to go, then that's your problem, you still need to pay taxes. Other kids should not have to suffer (from bad education) because you think you're too good to go to public school.

4. Increase the defense budget. The ballistic missile defense shield should be completed, and battleships need to be brought back. The military needs to be increased to protect ourselves.

5. Weaken the justice department. They cause more trouble than they're worth. Leave microsoft alone, and the airlines also.

6. Buy more from Boeing, and give them "loans" also, so they can start to compete with Airbus again.

7. Make abortion illegal. Its sick, its murder, fetuses have brains within the first 2 months of pregnancy. You have no right to kill a baby.

8. Become more involved with Canada, and eventually invite them to join our country.

9. Tighten the border with Mexico. If people want to come, come legally.

10. Tighten immigration. You need to have a job when coming here, or else you're getting sent back.

11. Reduce welfare. Get a job, stop living off the system.

12. Reduce social security. Sorry, but it doesn't work. If you cannot save yourself, then that's your problem.

13. Get rid of affirmative action. You will get the job if you are qualified, not because you are black.

14. Kill reparations. Blacks are not getting any money just because their ancestors were slaves. You were not a slave, I was not a slave owner, so you get nothing..

15. Invade Iraq. Take Sadamn from power, even if there are no WMD. He is not fit to rule. Institute a democratic government. Maintain military presence.

16. Find Osama bin Laden. Get all the information from him possible, then kill him.

17. Increase ties with Japan, China, Russia, Australia, Britain, and other important countries.

18. Drill for more oil in Alaska. It has been shown that the caribou (or whatever lives up there) population has GROWN since drilling commenced. I'm not saying getting rid of the refuge, just drilling in the .01% that might have oil.

-Nick
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 3:28 am

1.Draw up an oath of allegencience to crown,government and country and make it compulsory for all new citizens.

Ok, I guess. What would it say? Would it have any significance on anything, or would it be there for ceremonial reasons?

2.Make it compulsory for either the National Anthem(all 4 verses) or Land of Hope and Glory to be sung everyday in schools.

No way in hell. The country is just too diverse for this to happen. Not to mention the moral and personal objections people have to both the monarchy and "God".

3.Bring in laws to protect native ethnic Anglo-Saxon/Celtic languages in the UK by making it compulsory for all students in Wales to learn Welsh and for all students in Scotland to learn Gaelic/Scottish(this should keep G-KIRK happy!).

With a shit education system, this won't happen successfully. Again, this is pointless! It'll tear the country apart and deprive people of English which is an international language.

4.Get rid of this political correctness rubbish

It's not rubbish. Is the right not to be called a "nigger" or "paki" or "towel head" etc etc rubbish?

5.Introduce national indentity cards.

Why?

6.Citizenship class for all pre GCSE classes and newly arrived immigrants.

Oh great. Another worthless subject for people to do. Education is pretty bad now, but substituting core subjects like English, Maths, History and languages for "citizenship classes" (? they being what exactly? How to help old ladies cross the road? Brain washing people into being good citizens Clockwork Orange-style?) is ludicrous.

7.Stop so-called ethnic assemblies,all students must congregrate togather regardless of ethnicity or religion.

One totalitarian race where minority gatherings are banned?! Screams 30s Germany to me dude...

8.Schools must represent the society around them and extra emphasis must
be placed on encouraging students to use English more often.


Unless they're in Wales and Scotland where Gaelic will be used?? Contradicting yourself isn't good.

9.If youre born in Britain and live here you are expected to swear allegence to the country and you are expected to intregratre well into mainstream society.

Define "mainstream society" and how you would enforce this. As with your first point, what the hell is the purpose of swearing an allegence?

10.Ghettos of immigrants will be broken up and they will be forced to resettle.Let it be known that I was came from the only non-white family in the neighbourhodd and that most of my friends in school where white and that has enabled me to be more British.

Heil!

11.Take away all heredity titles from the aristocarcy and the members of the royal family except the monarch.Its important that we have a class-less Britain.

Classless = socialist?

12.Stop the tradition of bowing or curtsying to the monarch.

Obviously not. Because everyone is equal, right?

1.Increase education funding to at least 15% of GDP.Our youth is our future!

There's no point spending on the future when people today are suffering. Public transport and hospitals are just as important. Wasting money on "citizenship classes" and Gaelic classes won't help the future.

2.Scrap independent examination boards and have a single examination controlled by the government.

Ok in principle but gets rid of the choice multiple independant (key word) examination boards give.

3.Making it compulsory for all pre-university students to have at least one outside curriculum time activity such as sports or a society.


Enforcable how?! Getting some kids to school is a problem, let alone making them do out of school activities.

4.Bring back coporal punishment for students who:take or push drugs,are caught vandalising school property,students caught smoking,bullyingetc.All canings must be in the presence of a police officer and social worker.

Big ol' can of worms this. One point - how will it help? If a kid gets beaten at school he or she just won't come to school. This isn't the 50s.

6.All students must take at least one non British langauge(ie not English,Welsh or Gaelic) for GCSEs and for AS levels.

But you want more attention to be focused on English???

7.Reduce the coursework and "take it home' exams in the current system.

Yeah, lets go back to those great multi-hour make it or break it exams of the past. Personal preference, but I hated them.

8.Introduce an official schools table system for schools and universities.

There already are tables dude.

9.Introudce Government schemes which allow gifted and able children from poor backgrounds to enjoy public school education.

Yes, this was called Assisted Places, which the Tory's had and Labour took away. But you want everyone to be equal! No public schools!

10.Create Britains own "Ivy league" comprising of the Universities of Oxford,Cambridge and London among others.These universities will receive extra funding.

Believe me, Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial all get way more money that the Uni of Bradford for example.

11.Place for empahsis on R&D in the areas of computing and genetics.

Wee! Technology! The future! NO! More emphasis should be placed of English, History and particularly MATHS. Maths is important for any country's development as a key world leader. The link isn't obvious, but it's definatly there.

12.Increase the wages and benefits of teachers,hopefully this will encourage more people to join the profession.Its important that they should understand that they are building and mould our future.

Fair enough, but money isn't a key motivational factor. Stop critising teaching and education every single day in the Sun and the News of the World and more people would join.

13.Increase the minimum staring salary for a teacher to $40000

LOL! Do you know what the average salary is?! I'm assuming you mean £ not $, and if you did you can kiss goodbye to single digit inflation.

14.Students must take examinations in order to progress from one level to another.This way only those that can cope will be advanced whiel those who dont will be given special attention.

Great, more exams. Just what the kids of today really need. Kids can take >100 exams before reaching uni. They don't need more.

1.Increase spending to at least 15% of GDP

30% GDP on health and education? The government doesn't ACTUALLY get GDP you know, it gets taxes. 30% GDP is a LOT of money.

2.Build more and more hospitals

Not improve current hospitals?

3.Increase the wages for doctors(min wage:$55000) and especially nurses(min wage:$45000) and stop recruiting from overseas.

Wtf? This is Britain? Where are the $ coming from? If you mean £ forget about it. Inflation goes through the roof, not to mention the lack of hard cash.

4.Make patients pay subsidised fees for basic treatment.However all life threatning and major operations will still be free.


Where's the line? Goes against the whole point of the NHS.

5.Start more medical schools at universities with increased funding.Also lower the entry requierements from AAA to around ABB.

The point of the high entry requirements is BECAUSE DOCTORS NEED TO BE CLEVER! There are many many applicants for medicine, only the best should be accepted.

6.An end to benefits for single mothers under the age of 21.

An end to benefits? What, have them living out on the street?

7.Increased education in schools on AIDS and underage sex.The increasing number of teenage mothers in the UK worrying.

I think you're missing out words. There needs to be more education about all STDs and more importantly CONTRACEPTION. I can't stress this enough.

8.People will only be allowed to immigrate to the UK provided that they have a job waiting for them.

What about if they're fleeing from countries that are persecuting them? They have family here?

9.Scrap the dole as some $80 billion every year is going down the drain.

And have the millions of unemployed people beg?! Are you really that stupid? The dole money comes back to the government when unemployed people spend money (taxes that businesses pay).

1.Bring back the death penalty for all those convicted to first degree murder(must have DNA evidence),rape(must have DNA evidence) and treason.This means that Britain will pull out of the European Convention of Human rights.This also means that the British muslims who fought for the Taleban will be hanged.

Because DNA evidence is so conclusive? Wrong. Check your facts. Personally, this issue is out of the scope of this thread, but I find it appaling.

2.The trafficking of illegal drugs such as Heroin,Cocaine etc will carry the punishment of at least 10 years in prison upon conviction.

It's already pretty high dude. Life is max, I think.

3.The abolishment of trial by jury.The jury will be repeaced by a panel of judges.

Wrong on so many levels. Trial by jury has been a founding stone of nearly every major country in the world.

4.No-one is above the law and that includes the monarch.

This is already the case.

5.Anti-social crimes such as rioting(for what ever reason),vandalism(ie Michael Fay) will be punished by canning.

!!!! I can't even think of anything to put here.

6.Increased funding and better wages for the police and fire services.

Put it to good use - modernise them too.

1.Increase defence spending to 5% of GDP and ensure that it does not drop below 3% of GDP.

Ah, from all the money the country has floating about.

2.Provide more and better equipment of our fighting men-and that includes better uniforms for the RAF!

Men AND WOMEN. Please don't forget that. Better uniforms? Are you stoned?

3.Increase Britains ability to project force,such as more aircraft carriers,assault ships and associated equipment.Also increase Britains nuclear deterrent.

Yeah, so if a nuclear war happens we can REALLY destroy the world instead of just destroying the world.

4.Acknowledge the role played by Britains armed forces in shaping and protect the country.

Er...how?

5.Stop the downscaling of the armed forces which has been the case for several years now.

Just how much of a threat is posed to this country? And where are we getting the money from this?

6.Increase the wages and benefits substantially for those in the armed forces.

Is this part of acknowleding them? Again, is the magic money fairy going to give us the cash?

7.Start cadet programs such as the ROTC in every school,so that young children will be encouraged to join the armed forces.

Great, less people going to uni, more people preparing for war. This country really needs that.

1.Increase funding!!!!

MONEY SOLVES EVERYTHING!! Or does it? Sort out the bloody system, don't just throw money at it.

2.Modernise Britains railways and build high speed lines such as those in France and Japan.

Yeah sure. I'll write you a cheque. How much you want? I hope you realise that if we ever get to this point in your political manifesto, they'd be a new word in the dictionary - hypermegauberinflation.

3.Modernise the London Underground and build similar systems for Manchester,Birmingham and Glasgow.

Money? And yeah, just build systems. It's as easy as that. Just take a shovel and in 6 months you have fully working urban undergrounds in major cities. Honestly.

4.Build a massive airport near London and close down LHR and LGW.

Oh. My. God. So just close down LHR and LGW? And find all that free space near london to build a massive airport? I'm not even going to bother with this one!

5.Upgrade BHX,MAN and Glasgow

"Upgrade"?

1.Stall Britains entry into the Euro for at least 5 more years so that a study can be carried out to see how the Eu-11 countries are doing with the Euro.At the rate they and we are going we are better off without it.

Going fine until your last sentence betrays your bias. 5 more years of stalling isn't going to stop the companies pulling out of Britain because of the uncertainty about the Euro.

2.Join NAFTA so that we can broaded our trade options and sign more Free Trade Agreements with countries like Japan,China and the rest of the world.

More paper work and corupt systems. Just what we need.

3.Pull Britain out of the EU if a European superstate is on the cards.

A European superstate isn't on the cards. I don't know what's going on inside your head (honestly) but an EU superstate is on a figment of some Americans' imaginations.

4.Pump money into the regeneration on inner city areas especially in the north.

Oh money come from a pump now? Maybe a well underground? So THAT'S where we're going to fund all this from!

5.Apart from London, other cities such as Birmingham,Cardiff,Manchester and Edinburgh should be given extra funding to turn them into really world class cities with top notch infastrucsture.

Yeah, London's SO not important is it?


I went off into sarcasm at the end, but you can see my point. Every point you made had flaws. Some were rediculous, some were socialist, some were insane and very few were feasible. Things aren't as simple as you seem to think they are. If your ideas went ahead this countrywould be catapulted back to the 1800s.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 4:19 am

Just a few points I wanted to comment on.

Make it compulsory for either the National Anthem(all 4 verses) or Land of Hope and Glory to be sung everyday in schools.

If youre born in Britain and live here you are expected to swear allegence to the country and you are expected to intregratre well into mainstream society.


Although well intentioned, you can't force a person to pledge allegiance. There will always be those that are patriotic and those that are not. What would be the proposed punishment for refusing to pledge allegiance?

Increase spending to at least 15% of GDP

With all due respects, 15% of GDP is a HUGE amount of money. I don't believe any one item on any country's agenda merits or receives 15% of its GDP.

People will only be allowed to immigrate to the UK provided that they have a job waiting for them.

This would effectively bring immigration to a grinding halt. Do not forget that Britain is the vibrant, exciting place it is owing in large part to the efforts of immigrants. Immigrants bring ideas and skills to their new countries. According to the famous American saying, "our Asians are better than their Asians."

No-one is above the law and that includes the monarch.

For this to work you'd have to completely abolish the monarchy. As it is right now, the Queen cannot be tried in any British or Commonwealth court of law, as they all belong to her. There exists no judge with the authority to judge her as they derive all their authority and carry out acts of justice in her name. Where would she sit in one of her courts of law? Next to the judge? Above him? A republic, on the other hand, is a different situation altogether.

Pump money into the regeneration on inner city areas especially in the north.

I think the experiences of west and east Germany have shown that this approach does not work. It's not enough to simply "pump" money into degenerated areas. You have to affect a change of mindset, the way of living, else all that money is wasted.
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 5:13 am

What I would do for Malta:

1. Solve the problem of bilinguism. There's many people who don't know good English or Maltese (or both as a matter of fact). That has to be solved!!

2. Find a way to improve the country's economy! That's badly needed right now.
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 6:04 am

1. declare that no politician may run for parliament or cabinet positions
2. tougher immigration laws. All aliens without valid papers (residence permit, visa or EU passport) to be deported immediately (rather than just told to leave after which they go underground and enter into crime)
3. bring back the draft. Youth crime went up over 200% after abandoning it, discipline and respect for others went down the drain.
4. tougher sentences for all crimes across the board.
5. zero-tollerance on drugs and public violence
6. do away with subsidised agriculture and use the money to subsidise R&D instead (including improved education in the physical sciences).
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 6:39 am


  1. Every year, the world's major countries are ranked according to overall quality of life (the UN's Human Development Index), freedom from corruption (Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index) and economic competitiveness (World Economic Forum). If Canada ranks in the Top 5 in at least 2 of the 3, legislators, deputy ministers and assistant deputy ministers would receive a 10% performance bonus. Finishing in the Top 5 in all three would double the bonus to 20%.

  2. I'd rely on good advisors to see me through, resist the urge to micromanage, and delegate out work to others if they have better qualifications than I do to do the job right.

  3. Put in place at each department a 'debugging' staff which would have 90 days to review government legislation relevant to their department between the second and final House of Commons votes to identify potential problems. Their debugging report on each piece of legislation would be on the public record, and the department's minister would be required to initial each item in the report as evidence of being aware of any potential problems.

  4. Practice moderation in all things.

 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 6:59 am

777236ER,

I really enjoyed reading your responses. You know I always get a kick out of your posts.
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 7:16 am

With Gordon Brown in charge of the countries money, most of the things you listed are far distant realities. Although huge amounts of money is being spent on health,education,transport and crime, it will take a good few years to take effect.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 8:41 am

1) Become a republic

2) Change the flag: http://www.ausflag.com.au/new/pfdc/images/020.gif

3) Amend the constitution to ensure that all state/federal/territorial elections are held at the same time to fully reflect the current political feeling of the nation

4) Introduce optional voting for 15-17 year olds

(on a lighter note)

5) Outlaw slang, especially that ghastly phrase "g'day mate" (cringe)

6) Terraform the Desert into lush temperate and alpine vegetation (mad-dogs and englishmen and all that.)

Regards,

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 9:38 am

For me, just take what B747forlife posted, and make it the exact opposite. This isn't a personal attack, it's just what I genuinely feel.

I guess that's why I get labeled with the "Liberal" stamp once in awhile....and I want to dispel the myth that the US government doesn't give aid to businesses and that Canadians are interested in joining "the Union".

 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 9:47 am

1. Give petty thieves '3 strikes' and loose a finger, another 3 and it's a thumb, and for serious crime like armed robbery etc. - loose an arm !!. (just the threat of it should be enough to reduce crime).

2. Send the Illegal immigrants straight back, or lock them up Australian style until their claims are processed (If they are genuine, they should be grateful they have arrived in the UK and should put up with it for a few months until they have been sorted out, if things were really that bad where they came from, then that can only be better. If the situation was reversed, I sure as sh!t know I would be grateful.), non of this giving them money and council houses crap and letting them go off and start their own crime syndicates etc. They travelled halfway accross Europe, and didn't bother to claim asylum in other 'safe' countries such as Italy/France/Gremany, they just want to sponge off the UK as we are souch a soft touch. In a majority of cases they are not being 'persecuted' in their own countries, they are just coming here for a better life.

3. Get rid of Political Correctness. It's all a load of Bs. Why can't we call a postman a postman anymore, and why has a board that is black and has been commonly called a blackboard for the last god knows how many years suddenly got to be called a chalk board, it's stuff like that that is ruining this country - it's total madness !!.

4. Change the immigration system, just because someone in your family lives here, does not give you the right to come and live here. If you do come and live here, at least have the courtesy to speak English when you are outside your own home.

5. Legalise certain drugs. People are going to take them anyway, so at least they will know what they are taking if it's legal as the quality would be better and supplied by reputable outlets such as chemists etc.

6. Bring back national service. (would also help reduce crime by getting people off the streets).

7. Lock up parents who show no concern for their children, and let them bunk off school and cause trouble etc.

8. Make people recycle more of their rubbish and charge higher council taxes for those who 'can't be bothered'.

9. Spend at least half of the road tax revenue on the roads. There are better quality dirt roads in the Outback than surfaced roads in the UK.

10. Introduce 'Chain Gangs' like in the US and get the criminals out onto the streets to clean up graffiti/sweep rubbish etc, and suffer the humiliation of being seen by doing it. (another way to reduce re-offenders).

11. Stop giving Billions of £'s to the sponges in the EU/rest of the world, and spend it sorting out our own country first.

Just my 2p's worth.

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 11:09 am

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 11:37 am

Y'all know my views on most things political; less government is better.

My modest contribution would be this: establish and implement a fast and complete transition to metric measures in all respects.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:11 pm

Sure, make the "pledge of allegiance" mandatory in the US. That will sure srengthen our resolve. As an American patriot I am offended by the thought. If a person believes in, and wants to, salute our flag, more power to them. I do and am offended when I see the stars and bars hanging on the side of someones house, flown at hight without being lit or (worst of all) flown with 20% of the flag in tatters.

And 747forlife, the school vouchers are a purely republican concept.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:22 pm

Oops, forgot to say what I would do to improve my country. Fire the Congress en masse and start over. People that go to the senate or house should not have lifelong pensions, free medical care and unlimited travel for life. Our founding fathers envisioned people going to volunteer their time with nominal pay for a short while and then joining their communities again. I doubt that anyone in Congress can, or really wants to, understand the realityof life. It seems that none are able to accept the fact that America is no longer the driving force in the world and that most of us don't give a damn if the Iraqis or (fill in the blank) have a dictator bleeding them dry. We don't even seem to care that we live in our own form of dictatorship> Hell, in this country you're considered a maverick if if vote libertarioan. That just means we still have a one party government that tolerates a "dissenting" view. LOL!

I live in a country full of feel good sheep that are unable to express any opinion that doesn't conform to the party line. Kruschev was right, the US was buried without a single shot being fired in protest.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:07 pm

4. Increase the defense budget. The ballistic missile defense shield should be completed, and battleships need to be brought back. The military needs to be increased to protect ourselves.

While I agree with most of your views, including this one, I need to point out that in the age of ship to ship missiles, nuclear subs, and aircraft carriers, the big gun battleship is obsolete. Even the four Iowa class ships that were modernized are now retired.

I think Canada might want to stay independent, and no offense, I kinda don't want them in this Union. 50 states is enought. Canada is divided into many provinces which means that if they did join (God forbid, but still, no offense to any Canadians out there) we would be adding quite a few new states and territories.

Social security is touchy. I'd try to save it. That money comes out of your paycheck, so I'd expect to have it when I retire. After all, that money I DID work for.

Abortion. Well, I agree with most of what you said, but (cases of rape and incest are rare, but DO happen, better not subject a life to the knowledge that his dad is also his uncle or his dad raped his mom) there are also events where termination of the pregnancy is necessary to save the mother's life. This is a thorny issue. I feel tough regulation, and consultation of parents (if those seeking abortion are teen), the father of the fetus (whatever happened to fathers' rights) and the person who will be getting the abortion herself. Again though, this is a thorny subject with many variables.

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:17 pm

1- Privatize the health system. It's embarrassing for Canada to have hospitals in their current condition.

2- Encourage unemployed people to work. The welfare system as it is now is very slack and it's VERY easy for freeloaders to take advantage of the system.

3- Try to lower taxes wherever possible. (the 14.5% goods and services tax in Quebec and some other provinces is absolutely ridiculous). People need to live a little...

4-I don't know much about the condition of highways and major roads in the rest of Canada, but Quebec's are disgusting. Money needs to be spent on upgrading and maintaining our existing infrastructure.

5-Improve immigration laws, bring more intelligent people who can contribute to this country, not the other way around. Also, make it easier for them to assimilate into Canada.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 10:26 pm

Boeing4ever wrote: "I kinda don't want them in this Union."

It has no real chance of ever happening anyway.

First, the issue would be simply too explosive. Any prime minister who even raised the issue would get stiff resistance from cabinet, backbenchers, the provincial premiers, the civil service, the media and everyone else.

Second, think of Canada joining the Union not as one big merger but hundreds of little mergers: Canada Post with the U.S. Postal Service, CCRA with the IRS, etc. Now imagine how messy and expensive those kinds of mergers could get.

Third, the Republicans would never go for it, especially the Southern variety. Gallup has done comparative polls on attitudes toward controversial issues in the U.S. and Canada, and how Canadians would vote if they could vote in U.S. presidential elections. The polls generally suggested Canada would be a liberal/Democratic fortress.
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Mon Dec 02, 2002 10:59 pm

Well... I think you wouldn´t have to bother about the Euro any more if you implemented your program. The EU would kick out Britain anyway in that case because of human rights violations.

Wouldn't that be a boon for Britian!! I'm all for it!!

I wouldn't go as far as G-KIRAN. In fact, no where near as far. Some of his ideas are downright scary. But on the point of teaching English in an english-speaking society, and de-emphasizing Political Correctness, I'm all for those in the U.S.

A few points on what B747forlife said about the U.S.

1. Make saying the pledge of allegiance once a day mandatory in publically funding institutions and public offices, punishable by a fine. If you're going to use the country's money, then you are going to pledge yourself to the country.

Bullshit. This isn't the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany. You cannot dictate or legislate loyalty. It's a moot point anyway, because such a stupid idea as this would be struck down in court as violating the 1st Amendment. That's utter crap.

3. Get rid of all this private school vouchers nonsense. You have a free public school out there, if you choose for your kids not to go, then that's your problem, you still need to pay taxes. Other kids should not have to suffer (from bad education) because you think you're too good to go to public school.

I thought this was a GOP platform??  Big grin I agree with you 100% on this point.

4. Increase the defense budget. The ballistic missile defense shield should be completed, and battleships need to be brought back. The military needs to be increased to protect ourselves.

Yes, let's spend ourselves into oblivion over systems we don't need. That's just handing candy out to the kiddies who run defense corporations. Increase where needed, like in pay for service personel, and in lift capability, but not on toys that don't work.

11. Reduce welfare. Get a job, stop living off the system.

Fine, you want to do that, then cut off corporate welfare COMPLETELY. It makes no sense to punish the poorest in society, while doling out billions to corporations who are screwing over their shareholders and the country in the process, as what we did with Bush's buddies at Enron.

12. Reduce social security. Sorry, but it doesn't work. If you cannot save yourself, then that's your problem.

Fine, then you can go hungry when you're older, and let's see where your pride gets you. SS was never meant to "save" people, but is a benefit that workers pay into their whole lives while working, and they should see some benefits for those taxes. It's meant as a way to suppliment retirement income, which is almost never 100% of what one made by working. That's just stupid thinking.

14. Kill reparations. Blacks are not getting any money just because their ancestors were slaves. You were not a slave, I was not a slave owner, so you get nothing.

Agree 1000%

15. Invade Iraq. Take Sadamn from power, even if there are no WMD. He is not fit to rule. Institute a democratic government. Maintain military presence.

Invading Iraq without a pretext goes against the long, proud tradition of the U.S. In the present context, and invaison will and SHOULD only take place if 1. Iraq intereferes with UN weapons inspections. That's an automatic trigger for action, as sanctioned by the UN, or 2. If Saddam precipitates something overtly. Invading just to make Republicans feel like they have balls hanging between their legs only gets people killed. Wake up.

I agree with some of what you say, but the rest is just a right-wing Republican's wet dream come true, and would be dangerous to the freedoms we now enjoy.
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 12:55 am

What would I do to improve the US.

Foreign Policy:
-I would restart America's old "America First" policy from the pre-WWII era and make the USA a neutral power. I would vacate many of our foreign bases except for the most strategic ones.

Domestic Policy:
-I would take the a large percentage of the money we no longer spend on the industrial-military complex and put it into a complete top-to-bottom overhaul of the education systems. Our population would be the most educated in the entire world.

-Make full fluency in the English language mandatory for all citizens below 50 years of age. New immigrants would be provided with 5 months of mandatory English tutoring, followed by a written test of English skills.




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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 2:27 am

Great, another moron know-it-all who's sure their way it right.

1. Give petty thieves '3 strikes' and loose a finger, another 3 and it's a thumb, and for serious crime like armed robbery etc. - loose an arm !!. (just the threat of it should be enough to reduce crime).

Are you actually serious? If you are, you're one fucked up person. Are you ACTUALLY for mutilations and torture for pretty crimes?!

2. Send the Illegal immigrants straight back, or lock them up Australian style until their claims are processed (If they are genuine, they should be grateful they have arrived in the UK and should put up with it for a few months until they have been sorted out, if things were really that bad where they came from, then that can only be better. If the situation was reversed, I sure as sh!t know I would be grateful.), non of this giving them money and council houses crap and letting them go off and start their own crime syndicates etc. They travelled halfway accross Europe, and didn't bother to claim asylum in other 'safe' countries such as Italy/France/Gremany, they just want to sponge off the UK as we are souch a soft touch. In a majority of cases they are not being 'persecuted' in their own countries, they are just coming here for a better life.

It's really not as simple as that. Firstly, you don't seem to acknoledge the some people ARE persecuted in countries around the world. If you think that then you really have your head in the sand. There are people who are desperate, homeless and the West should do as much as possible to help them. I'd like to know how you "know" all this stuff: In a majority of cases they are not being 'persecuted' in their own countries, they are just coming here for a better life. Gee, really? You're the home secretary then are you? No, you're reading the Sun and the News of the World and assuming every asylum seeker is a moocher who just wants to come here because we're a "soft touch".

3. Get rid of Political Correctness. It's all a load of Bs. Why can't we call a postman a postman anymore, and why has a board that is black and has been commonly called a blackboard for the last god knows how many years suddenly got to be called a chalk board, it's stuff like that that is ruining this country - it's total madness !!.

Yeah, all that political correctness is bullshit. I mean, "nigger" is only a word isn't it?! If those stupid negro or paki people wanna think they're just as good as us they should stop complaining! We're letting them live like equals aren't we? They should shut up and be happy with what they've got.

Yeal all political correctness is bullshit. As for the postman comment, has it ever struck you that there are postwomen?

4. Change the immigration system, just because someone in your family lives here, does not give you the right to come and live here. If you do come and live here, at least have the courtesy to speak English when you are outside your own home.

Hmm, a mine field. What would you do? Lock them up until we found out whether they "deserve" to be here? The current system works well. You may not know it, but not everyone is automatically guaranteed a place here just because they have family here. As for the language, I'm sure its SO easy to learn English. Maybe you should give a similar comment to the thousands of British tourists walking the streets of Pairs speaking English.

5. Legalise certain drugs. People are going to take them anyway, so at least they will know what they are taking if it's legal as the quality would be better and supplied by reputable outlets such as chemists etc.

Lol, weed from Boots. Reputable outlets or not, canabis is still harmful. Not as harmful as tobacco? Maybe. But this means we should restrict tobacco, not condemn another few generations to an early death and a life marred by the effects of canabis (which do exist).

6. Bring back national service. (would also help reduce crime by getting people off the streets).

What this country needs is more people staying in school and going into higher education, not learning how to kill people.

7. Lock up parents who show no concern for their children, and let them bunk off school and cause trouble etc

Parents who let their child stay out late are still better for that child then countless foster families and care homes.

8. Make people recycle more of their rubbish and charge higher council taxes for those who 'can't be bothered'.

"Making people" doesn't work, you've got to change the culture and ways of thinking. Threats aren't useful.

9. Spend at least half of the road tax revenue on the roads. There are better quality dirt roads in the Outback than surfaced roads in the UK.


I don't know what part of the UK you're living in but it isn't like that in most places. Do you know how much road tax is annually for the nation? Do you know how much the government spends on roads? Until you do, don't guess and say "oh half of the road tax sounds like a nice figure".

10. Introduce 'Chain Gangs' like in the US and get the criminals out onto the streets to clean up graffiti/sweep rubbish etc, and suffer the humiliation of being seen by doing it. (another way to reduce re-offenders).

Do they work? You're guessing they do, but I'm pretty certain the US has a higher crime rate than here.

11. Stop giving Billions of £'s to the sponges in the EU/rest of the world, and spend it sorting out our own country first.


Do you know where that money goes? The "billions" to the EU isn't wasted and generally comes back to us indirectly. Aid to the rest of the world is aid. The British Empire caused countless problems throughout the world and Britain should do something about it, even if its just pouring money into those areas.

It amazes me how many morons there actually are. I see that G-KIRAN hasn't responded to my last post and Leezy-Jet probably won't respond to this. Maybe if you THINK about ideas logically in the future. Such declaration of ideas is dangerous.

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 2:47 am

Why do so many britts wish to join NAFTA and at the same time pull out of ties with the EU (economically speaking)?

First, to me it seems illogical to want to join a free trade area to increase trade and at the same time sever the ties with the European area where Britain (as far as I know), trades a lot with, and therefore decrease trade. Then, and I hate to say it like this, NAFTA is the North American Free Trade blah, blah... we know where Britain is on the map, so it's kind of silly to wish to join a block from another continent.

Unless of course the US, CAN and MEX decide to change the nature of the area in which case it wouldn't be a problem for Britain, Chile, Uruguay and other states (like the caribbean states) to join.


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777236ER

Tue Dec 03, 2002 3:36 am

All monetary figures in my starting post are in US$ since i dont have the pounds sign on my keyboard.Just divide by 1.6 to get the amount in pounds.

777236ER:Ok, I guess. What would it say? Would it have any significance on anything, or would it be there for ceremonial reasons?

Well for a start it should mention something about pledging your loyalty to the country.The USA has something like that your newly arrived immigrants.

777236ER:No way in hell. The country is just too diverse for this to happen. Not to mention the moral and personal objections people have to both the monarchy and "God".

I dont see why we should sing the national anthem just because we are to diverse.I have seen pictures of school children of all different colours and origins in the USA proudly singing their national anthems in school.Whats more why they place their hands on their hearts while singing it.It has nothing to do with Britain being to diverse.As for objections towards the monarchy and god,thats why I suggested LAnd of Hope and Glory as a replacement.I myself am non-religious and I find nothing wrong in singing "God save..." or "God who made thee mighty..."

777236ER:With a shit education system, this won't happen successfully. Again, this is pointless! It'll tear the country apart and deprive people of English which is an international language.

First off,the British education sysytem is not shit.It recently came 7th in an OCED survey above the USA,France and Germany.Welsh is one of the official langauges in Wales and its important that anyone who lives there should have a working knowledge of it and it certainly will not replace english.

777236ER(on polical correctness being rubbish):It's not rubbish. Is the right not to be called a "nigger" or "paki" or "towel head" etc etc rubbish?

You have got racism and political correctness mixed up.Terms such as "Paki" are racist and have nothing what so ever to do with being politicaly correct.

777236ER(on citizenship classes):Oh great. Another worthless subject for people to do. Education is pretty bad now, but substituting core subjects like English, Maths, History and languages for "citizenship classes" (? they being what exactly? How to help old ladies cross the road? Brain washing people into being good citizens Clockwork Orange-style?) is ludicrous.

Worthless?Really?Something that teaches children how to be good,moral citizens is a waste of time?School children in Britain are in dire need of moral education and citizenship class and besides some schools has already started them.Also they wont substitue core subjects either,I dont think one lesson a weeks is going to pull down the calibre of maths among our students.

777236ER(on making students attend asembly togather):One totalitarian race where minority gatherings are banned?! Screams 30s Germany to me dude...

The really is only one race, and that is the race of men.By making all students regardless of ethnic background attend assembly togather shows that we are all British regardless of whether we are White,Black etc

777236ER:Define "mainstream society" and how you would enforce this. As with your first point, what the hell is the purpose of swearing an allegence?

I think you know perfectly well what meainstream means.I said expected which means you should,but you wont be forced.

G-KIRAN:10.Ghettos of immigrants will be broken up and they will be forced to resettle.Let it be known that I was came from the only non-white family in the neighbourhodd and that most of my friends in school where white and that has enabled me to be more British.

777236ER:Heil!


A bit of a stupid comment dont you think.Hitler moved the jews into Ghettos,I am doing the reverse.Do you know how one of the race riots started a fews years ago.It was due to divided communities of whites and asians living in ghettos,that came from an offical government report.These are more efforts to intregrate immigrants into British society.

777236ER(on putting a stop to the aristrocracy):Classless = socialist?

Its got nothing to do with being a socialist or communist.You are who you are,not who your father is or who your great great.......great grandfather was.At the end of the day its down to you as an individual.

777236ER(on increased education spending):There's no point spending on the future when people today are suffering. Public transport and hospitals are just as important. Wasting money on "citizenship classes" and Gaelic classes won't help the future.

All that money wont go towards citizenship class and gaelic leasons.The increased expenditure on education will go towards improving the facilites in schools,such as better equipment,more computers etc.

777236EROk in principle but gets rid of the choice multiple independant (key word) examination boards give.

With a single examination board,examination resluts can be compared directly and more accurately.All the examination boards today set different syllabi and sthey also have different marking schemes.In the recent A levels crisis some boards had to recall the exam papers for remarking because wither they were not marked up to the relevant standard or they were over marked.Having a single examination body would simplefy matters.

777236ER(on coporal punishment for unruly students):Big ol' can of worms this. One point - how will it help? If a kid gets beaten at school he or she just won't come to school. This isn't the 50s.

You may have noticed that in the 50's school children were much more better behaved.Would you bully someone or vandalise the school if I told you that you would get 5 of the best?So you dont want to get canned?Quite simple,dont to anything bad and besides canning is nothing compared to some of the gang fights kids get into nowdays.

777236ER(on ending take it home exams):Yeah, lets go back to those great multi-hour make it or break it exams of the past. Personal preference, but I hated them.

I said reduce not stop.Actually I should have clarified on that a bit more.The weightage of coursewrok should be reduced and "take it home" exams should be scrapped.Whats the whole point of giving me a "take it home" exam in Chemistry when I can ask me dad who has a PhD in it to help me?

Actually I prefer the great multi hour exams because I am too lazy to put in effort conitnously for coursework.For example,I got an A for Economics in my recent final exams,put my coursework pulled me down to a B.Luckly,here in Singapore every school uses the ULCLES(Cambridge) GCE exams which have no coursework component.

777236ER(on an official schools table):There already are tables dude

Is there an official one by OFSTED?The ones I have come across for universities are those by the major broadsheets and they have disparities.For example,one of them lists Kings College,London in the top 10,while another has it in 2oth place.

777236ER(on fiancial aid for children going to public school):Yes, this was called Assisted Places, which the Tory's had and Labour took away. But you want everyone to be equal! No public schools!

Opps I forgot about that one.Actually the best education in the UK is found in public schools,not in state schools.To get into these schools you have to pass an entrance exam which is set and marked by the school concerned.There is no way you can buy your way in.Didn't Prince Harry fail the Eton entrance exam when he took it the first time?

777236ER(on university funding):Believe me, Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial all get way more money that the Uni of Bradford for example

Compared the US universities they dont.For example Harvard gets for times more income per student than Oxford.There was an article in the 26th November issue of the Economist,the one with Saddam as a fish being caught on the front.Read the article on British Universities and you will get a clearer picture.

777236ER(on more R and D expenditure):Wee! Technology! The future! NO! More emphasis should be placed of English, History and particularly MATHS. Maths is important for any country's development as a key world leader. The link isn't obvious, but it's definatly there

Yikes you got me there!I forgot to mention that the standard of mathematics should be increased.More my one was to start at the bottom,all the way back to primary school.I am not to sure about history,but English,Science,Maths and Computing are very very important.

777236ER(on increased wages for teachers):Fair enough, but money isn't a key motivational factor. Stop critising teaching and education every single day in the Sun and the News of the World and more people would join.

I agree with you on that one,however I dont think that the government can censor the press on this matter or can it?

777236ER(on promotional exams):Great, more exams. Just what the kids of today really need. Kids can take >100 exams before reaching uni. They don't need more.

This actually ensures that we dont have kids in GCSE class who have a very weak grasp of the subject.For example there is not point letting a child to do level 2 maths if he cant to level 1 maths.For example in Singapore you have to get an overall of 50 percent in your end of year exams in order to be promoted to the next year.Besides its only a once a year affair and only a pass(50%0 overall is needed.

777236ER(on increased health expenditure):30% GDP on health and education? The government doesn't ACTUALLY get GDP you know, it gets taxes. 30% GDP is a LOT of money.

I stand corrected.I will adjust that figure to 10% of GDp for health and education.Thats means that in total 20% of GDP is spent of health and education.Most countries in fact have similar figures for example;the USA spens some 12% on health,while Zimbabwe spends slight more than 10% on education.

777236ER(on subsidised healthcare):Where's the line? Goes against the whole point of the NHS.

So?In the UK we have to pay for our medcine and to get our eyes tested,but its still subsidised and consumers will not have to pay to full price.

777236ER(on lower entry requirements for doctors):The point of the high entry requirements is BECAUSE DOCTORS NEED TO BE CLEVER! There are many many applicants for medicine, only the best should be accepted.

If you get ABB for your 'A' levels in hard sciences,then you have to the rather clever.The UK has one of the highest population per doctor ratios in the world and even thris world countries such as Russia,Tajkistan and Armenia have more doctors per head then we do.Anyway the new medical school run jointly by the the Universities of Plymouth and Exeter have an ABB.

777236ER Sadon ending benefits for single mothers under 21):An end to benefits? What, have them living out on the street?

Quite simple really.Think twice you have sex without contreception.If you have been raped and you dont want an abortion then fair enough.

777236ER(on sex education): think you're missing out words. There needs to be more education about all STDs and more importantly CONTRACEPTION. I can't stress this enough.

I am.Thansk for reminding me.

777236ER(on immigrants being required to have jobs before coming in):What about if they're fleeing from countries that are persecuting them? They have family here?

Prove that you are being persecuted in your country.Most of the asylum cases in the UK regarding presecution are said to be bogus.If it can be proved then by all means come in,but you have to be prepared to learn Neglish and get some qualifications and get a job.If your not willing to do that then dont bother coming to us.We have our own unemployed to worry about.

777236ER(on scraping the dole which cost some $80 billion a year):And have the millions of unemployed people beg?! Are you really that stupid? The dole money comes back to the government when unemployed people spend money (taxes that businesses pay).

$80 billion per year is to much to spend.What we have to do is to encourage kids to stay in school longer ann pick up useful qualifications,this way they may find it easier to get a job.Also I dont see why we should spend money that other people have worked very hard for and give it to people to dont work and dont contribute to the economy or wellbeing of the country.Even as working as a street cleaner you are contributing as you are keeping the country clean.

777236ER(on the death penalty and DNA):Because DNA evidence is so conclusive? Wrong. Check your facts. Personally, this issue is out of the scope of this thread, but I find it appaling

First off,they have been many cases whereby convicted criminals have had their sentences overturned 10 years later while on death row due to new DNA evidence.The death penalty is certainly not barbaric when it is metted out against cold blooded killers,its a taste of their own medicine.

777236ER(on sentences for drug pushers):It's already pretty high dude. Life is max, I think.

Actually there is now way that drug psuhing merits life imprisonment or the death penalty.I think about 10 years ofr the trafficiking of drugs like Heroine would be fine.

777236ER(on abolishment of trial by jury):Wrong on so many levels. Trial by jury has been a founding stone of nearly every major country in the world.


There are so many things that are wrong with juries today.For a start most of them have no understanding of the law.Beside their thinking od scrapping that in the UK.

777236ER(on canning for anti social behaviour):5.Anti-social crimes such as rioting(for what ever reason),vandalism(ie Michael Fay) will be punished by canning.

Dont want to be caned?Then dont engage in any anti-social behaviour.Quite simple dont you think.Our hooligans each deserve to have their knuckles rapped.

777236ER(on increased defence spending):Ah, from all the money the country has floating about

5% of GDPis not that much of and increase and besides the Uk government already spends close to 3% of GDP on defence and yet the military is still underfunded.

777236ER(on better equipment and uniforms);
Men AND WOMEN. Please don't forget that. Better uniforms? Are you stoned?


Actually the uniforms bit was a joke,I cant stand the RAF uniform.

777236ER(on increasing Britains military power):b>Yeah, so if a nuclear war happens we can REALLY destroy the world instead of just destroying the world.

Do you know that currently Britains SLBMs in our "Vanguard" Class SSBNs only carry half the nuber of warheads that they were designed to carry?

777236ER(on the downscaling of Britains armed forces):Just how much of a threat is posed to this country? And where are we getting the money from this?

Where have the British forces been operating in the last 10 years:Gulf War,Bosnia,Kososvo,Northern Ireland,East Timor,Iraq,Sierra Leone and Afghansitan.Go figure!Also according to the MOD,our army alone is some 7000 men understrength.

777236ER(on cadet programmes in schools):Great, less people going to uni, more people preparing for war. This country really needs that.

Please note that I said encouraged.

777236ER(on increased funding for transport):MONEY SOLVES EVERYTHING!! Or does it? Sort out the bloody system, don't just throw money at it.

Not always,but in Britains case it can provide decent roads and railways without pothholes or faulty switches.

777236ER(on the UK signing free trade agreements):More paper work and corupt systems. Just what we need.

Really?

777236ER(on leezyjets suggestion about corrective work order,following the US model):Do they work? You're guessing they do, but I'm pretty certain the US has a higher crime rate than here.

Youre wrong there.Youre roughly 5 times more likely to be robbed in the UK than your are in the USA.Taken from figures in a reference book.

777236ER(on leezyjets suggestion that all immigrants should be able to speak basic english):Maybe you should give a similar comment to the thousands of British tourists walking the streets of Pairs speaking English.

Tourists and immigrats are to totally different kettle of fish.

777236ER(on political correctness):
Yeah, all that political correctness is bullshit. I mean, "nigger" is only a word isn't it?! If those stupid negro or paki people wanna think they're just as good as us they should stop complaining! We're letting them live like equals aren't we? They should shut up and be happy with what they've got.


Language please!Those are racist terms and have absolutly nothing to do with political correctness.If you want an example for political correctness then here are some I ahve seen in the news over the past few years:
1.A local council member bans the British Legion from marching through a village to remember their fallen comrades becasue apparently there are German expats living there and it might cause offence.
2.Employees at government buildings are not allowed to have Engladn falgs on their desks in case it upsets ethnic minorities.
3.White cant fly the Union Jack or the Cross of St George for fear of upseting ethnic minorities and being branded a racist.
4.Finally I saw this on the BBC a fews years back,the word British is racist!

Its high time we stopped all the rubbish about our flag being a symbol of racism.That flag should stand for the people of Britain not for the BNP.

Regarding 777236ER reply to leezyjets post on illegal immigrants:

I think leezyjet was refering to the recent sangate incident.What really is the difference between life in France and the UK?I dont think that there is really that much difference.

777236ER:I see that G-KIRAN hasn't responded to my last post

The only thing that I hated about replyiny to you is that I had to write all this up!Actually I was about to post mine when I saw your 2nd post.

777236ER(on leezyjet):Great, another moron know-it-all who's sure their way it right

777236ER(on leezyjet and me):It amazes me how many morons there actually are. I see that G-KIRAN hasn't responded to my last post and Leezy-Jet probably won't respond to this. Maybe if you THINK about ideas logically in the future. Such declaration of ideas is dangerous.


Nice language mate!Really says alot about the kind of people judging by your profile that we are producing in the UK.Lets see you give some ideas please and you may have noticed that its just his two cents/pence.Also I for one will not be drawn into any name calling.



Finally where is all the money going to come from?Its about time that we stop literally giving money away in the billions to those who dont produce anything and instead spend it on building better roads,railways,infastructure,schools and hospitals.So the $80 billion of taxspayers money that goes to the dole will be directed to fund my big hikes in health,education and expenditure.

Now onto to my stiff and so-called Draconian punishments for criminals.Lets just face it,if there is one element of Britain that is decline,that is going to the dogs and that is pulling the whole country down,it has to be our liberal attitudes towards crime.Drugs freely availile on the street,grannies getting mugged by 10 year olds...what on earth is going wrong in Britain?Simple our liberal legal system that favours the criminal but not the victim.

Onto NAFTA and the EU.I prefer it if we can joing both the NAFTA and the EU to take advantage of the free trade that goes on,howver I am opposed like many Britons to the constant nose poking that the EU and its various bodies do,not to mention the CAP which is a complete waste of money.Is it rather safe to assume that that does not happen in NAFTA?Although distance might be problem,but Santiago in Chile is furthur from New York then London is.










 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 3:43 am

Sorry about the bold writing at the end,I was typing rather fast because I want to go to sleep since its 3 in the morning over here.Hoefully tocan distinguish between what 777236ER said and my replies to him.His are like this;
777236ER(on XXXX):XXXX



 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 4:15 am

A few things to keep in mind, folks.


  1. Presidents and prime ministers aren't gods. No one in a democracy is so powerful that their plans can't be foiled by Cabinet, a caucus revolt, the civil service, the media or the people implementing the plans (e.g., the military).

  2. Space on any government's agenda is limited. Don't spread yourselves too thin.

  3. Politics is a cutthroat profession where anyone who feels threatened will work behind your back to shoot you down. In fact, they'll shoot at you even if they think your misfortune would be their gain. Don't give them those kinds of opportunities.

  4. Anybody actually think about (as Prime Minister, or whatever) talking to the police, educators, health care workers and military officials and asking them what you could do to help them do their jobs? Reforms are more likely to work when the people who are carrying them out see something in it for them, and more likely to fail when people feel they're under attack.

 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 4:37 am

Ok I can't be arsed writing lots and lots, so I'll focus on two key issues. 1. stopping the dole (benefits, for those who don't know) and 2. your crime and punishment views.

Firstly, the dole. There actually are people out there who are skilled (or not) who want to work but can't find a job. Forget what Gordon Brown says, jobs aren't rife. Unemployment in the UK is pretty low and as the UK moves towards a more service-orientated country there will be unemployed people whose skills aren't transferable. Consider the 80s. Thousands of ex-mine workers had few qualifications. No service-sector company wanted to employ a 40 year old who's only job has been down a mine. This wasn't the fault of the miners, rather just a consequence of the society we live in. Should these miners not recieve benefits? They have families to support and NEED money. The majority of unemployed people are like this (obviously not all ex miners). Another, possibly even more important point, is that the people on the dole contribute to the UK economy. Stop the dole tomorrow and let the thousands of people getting benefits beg and I guarantee that the turnover of McDonald's will go down by ~30% immediatly. Many, many business will suffer. What will happen? Less jobs. More people being made redundant. Of course, these people don't get benefits and stop spending as much money, hurting MORE businesses who make MORE people redundant etc etc. The economy cannot handle such radical changes.

Canning people is barbaric. Whether it deters crime or not is irrelevant. You mention that in the 50s school children were well behaved because of canning. I think you'll find that the entire culture of the UK has changed in the intervening years. Bringing back canning will do nothing to make children stay at school and will only convince them that a life of crime is better.

As for abolishing trials with jury, its a key democratic right! You say juries don't understand the law, which is strange because juries are members of the public and I think they do understand the law pretty well. There is a vigorours selction process eliminating stupid people (harsh, but true) and juries themselves are informed fully of the law applicable to the relevant case.

I notice you don't actually respond to a lot of my points, which is a shame. You seemed to have completly missed out some of the most important ones.

Finally...

If you get ABB for your 'A' levels in hard sciences,then you have to the rather clever.The UK has one of the highest population per doctor ratios in the world and even thris world countries such as Russia,Tajkistan and Armenia have more doctors per head then we do.Anyway the new medical school run jointly by the the Universities of Plymouth and Exeter have an ABB.

You don't understand. You do not realise how many applicants per medical place (at GOOD medical schools eg. ICL) there are. AAA is a nessecity to keep numbers to reasonable levels! Population per doctor is a rediculous number as our population is a lot healthier than the Russian, Tajkistan and Armenian populations.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 6:03 am

Alright, just to respond to some people:

IMissPiedmont - I never said that they need to own a flag, if you would read what I wrote, you would see that I said it should be mandatory in places provided by the government. And, yea, I know, I said it would look a lot like the republican ideals, but I don't agree with school vouchers. I attend public school, and I feel that if you send kids somewhere else, you should not be exempt from paying for the PUBLIC school. Seniors have to pay, but they have no kids, why should you not have to pay, or why hsould you get your money back because your kid doesn't go?

Boeing4ever - Ok, so maybe battleships aren't really efficient, but I think that they are intimidating, so perhaps other countries might see it that way. I do however agree that they are not really built for warfare today. I don't mean that Canada should join the Union, but I read that many of the Canadian citizens would really not have a problem being American citizens. If we were to integrate our defense and other infrastructure more, I believe that in fact we probably should be one country, just for the convenience. Social security: with my system, there would be no more taking out, if the government already had your money you would get it, but they would no longer take out. On abortion, you do have a point, in extreme cases, note, extreme, such as the mother is in danger, then perhaps abortion could be allowed. But, in rape or incest, you do not have to keep the baby, adoption is an option.

Alpha 1 - If a person has no loyalty, then that's fine, they can leave the country. But, as I said before, and in my original post, if you are using a publically funded facility, or work for a public office, then you should be saying the pledge, they are giving this opprotunity to you. About vouchers, see above. Ok, say we don't need these things when we're bombed into the dark ages by someone whos happy with a nuke, and knows we can't defend ourselves. Sure, smooth move. I didn't say anything about companies. Social security, I know how to use a bank, I can save. People need to learn, and obviously after a few reforms, SS doesn't work. The gov't spends too much of the money, and the new workforce cannot possibly pay for the old force. Invading Iraq, we know he's dangerous, and this goes along with leaving the UN. If we're out of the UN, they have no right to punish us. Sadamn is an evil man, who attacks his own people, and probably has wet dreams himself about bombing Washington DC.

Ok, I'm done for now.

-Nick
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 6:13 am

Get rid of Tony Blair....
Get rid of John Prescott....
Get rid of the Royal Family

Give all the money to me
Make me President of the UK
Change the capital to either Edinburgh or Glasgow
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 6:40 am

777236er,

Bet your @$$ I will reply, not in any order but here goes.

1st chain gangs do work, I watched a documentary on Discovery a few weeks ago, and you are more likely to be mugged in London than New York.

2nd Also the UK spends about 2% of the road tax on the roads, got that out of the AA magazine a couple of months back.

3rd I did not mention mutilations, It would be done surgically.

4th I Know that some people are persecuted, thats why I said IN A MAJORITY of cases, so therfore I do recognise that some people are persecuted, but the ones who travel halfway accross Europe just to get to the UK, how can they be genuine, they traveled through half a dozen safe countries to get here.

5th With regards to political correctness, you are confusing racism and political corretness - it's 2 differant things mate.

6th With regard to people speaking English, If I went to live in a non English speaking country, I'd at least bother to learn/speak the language of the country i'd CHOSEN to live in.

7th With regards to recycling rubbish, you say that 'making people' doesn't work. Well people are made to put their own rubbish in the dustbin aren't they, or do they just throw it all around their gardens and in the street where you live ?.

8th National Service teaches more than just how to kill people, thats only a small part of it. It teaches people manners and how to respect other people and gives people discipline that they might not have had due to bad parenting etc.

As for Moron, thanks Big grin

As G-KIRAN said, they were just MY idea's, MY opinions, it's MY right to have them, just like it's yours to slag everyone who doesn't have your opinions off. Interesting thing this world we live in isn't it. I can't believe how many sad people there are that live their lives through their computers, get out into the real world and enjoy it and meet real people. What did you moan about before the internet was invented ?.


I'm going to the pub now. Enjoy. Maybe you would like to answer some things yourself or give some of your own ideas since you seem to be such a know it all !!.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 6:52 am

My response to all the suggestions (as if you care  Smile):

I'm glad none of us are in charge!
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 6:57 am

1) Ban trade unions - the firefighters in the UK are now taking the piss.

2) Legalise marijuana - great fun and it could be better controlled if legal.

3) Change UK planning laws; it takes 20 years to approve planning permission, then 10 years of planning permission (exaggerated for effect!) i.e. South England airport situation (build a bloody great massive to replace Gatwick and HEathrow and Luton and maybe Stansted!)

4) Thats all i can think of right now maybe more later!
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 8:36 am

USA:

1.) Spend more on passenger rail service (ie commuter, light rail, long distance, high speed corridors , Amtrak etc).

2.) Invest more in clean technologies for power plants and automobiles.

3.) Spend more on airport expansion (ie more runways and rail links to airports).

4.) invest more into NASA (the Space Shuttle is getting old and we could do better than the International Space station, also a Man on Mars would get people excited).

5.) Help subsidize the high costs of prescription drugsand health care.

6.) Create a Federal law against animal cruelty (animal bill of rights)

7.) Invest more in cities to help revitalize downtowns and control sprawl.

8.) stop illeagal immigration and control the borders.

9.) de-criminalize Marajuana, except for possesion of substantial quatities and those intent on its sale.

10.) tighten gun laws and crack down on vilolators, also approve gun signatures. (im a legal gun owner, who applied, waited 6 weeks and was then allowed to purchase shotguns and rifles after a NJ State Police and FBI background check). All gun buyers/owners should go through State and FBI background checks, and guns must be forfeited by those who committ felonies or who are hospitalized for mental illness.

11.) Create tough Federal guidlines for how States should care for the mentally ill, the current system has failed.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 11:11 am

FInd the 10 most intelligent and good hearted leaders, send them to old Tenochtitlan (Mexico City) through some time machine and start all over. . .seriously now, this country has so much problems and vices I wouldn't know where to start. I guess we have to break the vicious circle somehow, and start from there. We all have to do our part. It's a shame that this vast beautiful country is such a mess, and I Im proud of being a Mexican but I can't block the sun with one finger, its a mess, and one I hope we can learn to overcome.

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 11:46 am

777236er,

Hey Bigmouth, where are you ??. Cat got your tongue ??.

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 11:57 am

To the individual who wrote about getting more involved with Canada and eventually inviting them to join the United States, rest assured that the vast majority of Canadians have absolutely zero desire to ever be more part and parcel of the United States than they already are forced to be.

I am an American student living and studying in Canada, and I can vouch that many Americans who are stuck in their little egocentric worlds might be surprised if they knew what people really think of them, even their friendly neighbours north of the 49th parallel.

After having lived here for three years and getting a bit of a different view of life and having my horizons broadened, I can't say that many of these feelings aren't justified and to be expected. It was certainly an eye opener for this little narrow minded Mississippi hick that we aren't the greatest, can't run the farthest, jump the highest, and generally outperform everyone else in the world while making doubly sure that they never forget it. It's been interesting to learn that there is more than one way to skin a cat that is just as, and sometimes even much more, effective.

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 12:26 pm

Alpha 1 - If a person has no loyalty, then that's fine, they can leave the country. But, as I said before, and in my original post, if you are using a publically funded facility, or work for a public office, then you should be saying the pledge..

Dictators force loyality, democracies don't. If you want to force people to be loyal, go form your own republic somewhere in the South Pacific, and force people to pledge their allegiance, or suffer the consequences. It's idiotic ideas like this that threaten, not strengthen, freedom. If you don't like the fact we're not all loyal, maybe you should leave instead.

If we're out of the UN..

If we leave the UN, we show ourselves to be cowards who don't want to take our rightful place among the family of nations. Maybe you hate foreigners, but we're made up from every one of those UN nations. You just don't run and hide by yourself if you don't think the world is perfect.

I think it's time for you to go hide in the mountains of Idaho or Nevada. You've seen too many black helicopters roving around your house, and listened to one too many right wing radical.
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 2:01 pm

747forlife,
"IMissPiedmont - I never said that they need to own a flag, if you would read what I wrote, you would see that I said it should be mandatory in places provided by the government. And, yea, I know, I said it would look a lot like the republican ideals, but I don't agree with school vouchers. I attend public school, and I feel that if you send kids somewhere else, you should not be exempt from paying for the PUBLIC school. Seniors have to pay, but they have no kids, why should you not have to pay, or why hsould you get your money back because your kid doesn't go?"

Did I miss something? I never meant to imply that owning a flag was a prerequisite for anything except the overwhelming false patriotism the US is experiencing at the moment. My point, in fact, was that forcing people to say the pledge of allegiance is a major crock of s**t no matter where it occurs. As a child I had to say that bastardized version of the original pledge in grade school every morning. Even as a child I was aware of the fallacy involved, i.e you cannot legislate patriotism. It is or it isn't poeriod.

For the school voucher question you again missed my point. I stated that it is a republican invention. I also think it is a bunch of crap supported by all yuppies no matter what "party" they belong to. There is, after all, only one in the US. I don not complain about paying taxes to support schools although I have no school age children. In fact I believe in paying more schooll taxes and reducing the pay of the adminstration. I also believe that some same yuppies that move into mt neighborhood and cry about the roads should pay out of there own damn pockets. I guess you have to live in Pima county to understand about the road thing though.

Cheers.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 2:04 pm

Completely refurbish our welfare system, health care system, immigration system.

UP THE PAY FOR FIREFIGHTERS, EMS, MILITARY, AND COPS!

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:11 am

I'm back, but this time I'm in computers at school, so I'll try not to be long...

Yvr74 - Fine, then when I ask, they'll say no, and everything will be ok. Anyway, I saw a link to an article on this site that said that if Quebec were to leave Canada, then most of the other provinces would petition to join the United States. I'll try to find it. if that's not wanting to be in the US, then I don't know what is.

Alpha 1 - Ok, again, you show that you cannot read. If you're using PUBLIC money and facilities, then you should be showing loyalty. The gov't does not need to provide these services. Loyalty should be shown to a country that is the most free in the world, and if you are part of/use it, then you should be loyal to it. Sure, ok, yea, we'd be cowards to leave the UN. The UN does nothing for us, except making us pay and support other countries. I sure as hell wouldn't want my money going to Zimbabwe. If you do, be my guest, but the US should not be in the UN, as it does not represent our best interests. And, shut the hell up, black helicopters, ok sure, just because I'm republican, doesn't mean I'm a fucking lunatic.

IMissPiedmont - About the pledge, see above, and realize, that if it weren't for the gov't of this country, then freedom around the world would probably be less than what it is now. Vouchers: alright, thats fine, its just a bad idea, which I do not support.

And everyone else, this is my idea of making America better, if you have a problem with it, fine, but you don't see me trying to tear apart everyone else's ideas.

-Nick
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:24 am

Anyway, I saw a link to an article on this site that said that if Quebec were to leave Canada, then most of the other provinces would petition to join the United States. I'll try to find it. if that's not wanting to be in the US, then I don't know what is.

Dude, I've lived in both the US and Canada for over 10 years each and I know both countries extremely well. If there’s any province that would want to join the U.S., it’s Alberta, but such sentiment isn’t that strong, or too public. The rest of the provinces would never do it and would be verbose about it.
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:31 am

What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Nothing. It's OK as it is.
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:48 am

Leezyjet, unfortunatly I do actually have a job. The internet isn't my life, so apologies if I don't reply within seconds.

1st chain gangs do work, I watched a documentary on Discovery a few weeks ago, and you are more likely to be mugged in London than New York.

A Discovery documentary is a great thing to base your crime policy on. Just because you're less likely to get mugged in New York doesn't mean that chain gangs work. Maybe...just maybe...it was Guillani's zero-tollerance that did it.

2nd Also the UK spends about 2% of the road tax on the roads, got that out of the AA magazine a couple of months back.

? Your point? Do the roads need more money spending on them? I think they're ok, considering the population density. Certainly there are problems, but motorway and road improvements are happening all the time. Where is the rest of the tax money going? Is it less important than building roads?

3rd I did not mention mutilations, It would be done surgically.

Surgical mutilations are still mutilations. Can you not see how wrong it is forcing people to have surgery to remove limbs if they take part in a crime?!

4th I Know that some people are persecuted, thats why I said IN A MAJORITY of cases, so therfore I do recognise that some people are persecuted, but the ones who travel halfway accross Europe just to get to the UK, how can they be genuine, they traveled through half a dozen safe countries to get here.

How do you know the majority don't have grounds to be here? Oh yeah, the great News of the World again.

5th With regards to political correctness, you are confusing racism and political corretness - it's 2 differant things mate.

Not really. They're very similar. Calling a postwoman a postman isn't discrimination obviously, but its clearly wrong and if I were that woman I'd be pretty annoyed.

6th With regard to people speaking English, If I went to live in a non English speaking country, I'd at least bother to learn/speak the language of the country i'd CHOSEN to live in.

BOTHER to learn/speak English? Because its that simply obviously. You can't force people to speak a language (unless you're going to arrest tourists for speaking French/German/with an American accent).

7th With regards to recycling rubbish, you say that 'making people' doesn't work. Well people are made to put their own rubbish in the dustbin aren't they, or do they just throw it all around their gardens and in the street where you live ?.

People cannot be bothered. Sorting rubbish takes time, and a lot of people won't do that. Talking about cutting their council tax is a bit silly, when councils will need soo much more money to run recycling schemes.

8th National Service teaches more than just how to kill people, thats only a small part of it. It teaches people manners and how to respect other people and gives people discipline that they might not have had due to bad parenting etc.

It also stops people from going to university. National service was a joke. Just because someone doesn't polish their shoes every day (but has a Phd...) doesn't make them worse than someone who's now a brainwashed army cadet.

I can't believe how many sad people there are that live their lives through their computers, get out into the real world and enjoy it and meet real people. What did you moan about before the internet was invented ?.

?? Excuse me? I'm moaning about your rediculous/non-sensical and barbaric ideas. Does this make me someone with no life?

I'm going to the pub now. Enjoy. Maybe you would like to answer some things yourself or give some of your own ideas since you seem to be such a know it all !!.

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 6:15 am

Rai - Aight, maybe I was mistaken when I saw the article. That still doesn't mean that in the future the two countries couldn't be one. Perhaps now it is not a good idea.

Oh and BTW, I didn't mean any offense to Zimbabwe.

-Nick
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 6:27 am

B747forlife wrote: "I saw a link to an article on this site that said that if Quebec were to leave Canada, then most of the other provinces would petition to join the United States."

This idea gets spouted once in a while by some newspaper columnist, even by a Nova Scotia premier once. The most striking thing about all the articles I've seen where this idea has been mentioned is the lack of deep thought about what it would involve. The tens of billions of dollars needed to pull it off? Not a word. The literally tens of thousands of little details that would have to be taken care of, from training Canadian lawyers in U.S. law to merging seniority lists of Canadian and U.S. government departments to databases with information in different formats on networks that can't talk to one another? Never given a thought.

In fact, it would be cheaper and easier for Canada to break up into four countries -- Western Canada, Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada -- than it would be to join the U.S., although a strong, stable Canada alongside a strong, stable U.S. would be the best alternative of all.

A more likely scenario might see a separate Quebec having the same relationship to Canada as Luxembourg had to Belgium for many years.

"Loyalty should be shown to a country that is the most free in the world, and if you are part of/use it, then you should be loyal to it."

Just as long as loyalty isn't confused with unquestioning obedience, as it sometimes is. Pushing people to take oaths under threat of being an outcast has cult-ish overtones. A better way to teach loyalty is like this: The loyal person offers both praise and criticism whenever it's due; the person whose true loyalty should be suspected is the one who offers all of one but none of the other.
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 6:59 am

777236ER(on increased health expenditure):30% GDP on health and education? The government doesn't ACTUALLY get GDP you know, it gets taxes. 30% GDP is a LOT of money.

I stand corrected.I will adjust that figure to 10% of GDp for health and education.Thats means that in total 20% of GDP is spent of health and education.Most countries in fact have similar figures for example;the USA spens some 12% on health,while Zimbabwe spends slight more than 10% on education.


Ok, first of all you have no idea how GDP works.

GDP=Gross Domestic Product which is caculated when you add Consumer Spending (nearly 2/3 [67%] of total GDP), Gross Private Domestic Investment (Bus. spending) Goverment spending and net exports.

The goverment doesn't even have 30 and 40 present of the total GDP to spend, you seem to think the goverment has the GDP to spend when it is really a indicator of Total Market value for all goods and services produced in a given country for that year. Goverment only makes up around 15%. They help make up the GDP, they don't spend it
 
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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 1:32 am

Mcdougald - I actually never really thought of the cost. You do have a good point. I never meant to force obedience, I believe that there is a fundamental difference between obedience and loyalty. Loyalty is something you should have, and in our case, we should show loyalty towards the governm,ent for giving as much as it does. To mandate obedience would go against our basic rights.

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RE: What Would You Do To Improve Your Country?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 6:29 am

Quote from 777236er :- "Do 26-35 year olds still call people "know it alls"? "

Another quote from 777236er :- "Great, another moron know-it-all who's sure their way it right"

Guess they do.  Nuts  Nuts  Nuts

Let's get one thing straight, none of this is every going to happen in reality, so why are you getting so stressed over it, it's just one of those "What if" scenarios.

With regards to "chain gangs" working in the cities, just about all the people interviewed said that the embarrasment was enough to stop them re-offending.

Roads :- Don't know where you live, but I can't drive more than a 1/2 mile without my cd changer jumping, it's even worse up in Leeds, so much so that I can't even use it, it jumps so much. A majority of the roads do need re-surfacing, once that has been done, they won't need doing again for a few years. I've also had blown tyres from potholes, and also had the tracking knocked out of alignment too, and that's not even from driving too fast.

"Can you not see how wrong it is forcing people to have surgery to remove limbs if they take part in a crime?!" They shouldn't be doing the crime in the first place, then all limbs/digits will remain intact, this would only be done for serious crimes, and as I said, they would get 3 chances - I'm sure thats enough.

Asylum seekers :- Not the news of the world, but sky news and the Express/Daily Mail.
It's been shown on sky news for the last 2 days that these people only want asylum in the UK, nowhere else. If they really are that desparate, they would be welcoming France's offer with open arms, not rejecting it.

Political Correctness :- I only used that as an example, it was late and it was the only one I could think of at the time.

Languages :- Tourists and migrants are totally differant things, and yes it is that simple to at least make the effort, as I said, they CHOSE to live here.

Recycling :- I know people cannot be bothered, thats why they would be charged more council tax. That would fund the recycling schemes for those that can be bothered. I never mentioned reducing council tax.

National Service :- People still managed to do both in the past, and with all the extra money the government is looking at charging students, it would give them something to do after school/college as alot of them wouldn't be able to afford to go to uni !!!.

"?? Excuse me? I'm moaning about your rediculous/non-sensical and barbaric ideas. Does this make me someone with no life?"

"Hobbies: Bitching, griping, moaning, whining, complaining, shouting or being bitched, griped, moaned, whined, complained & shouted" Yup, you are a moaner, said it yourself.

Yes actually, you have on average posted 7.4 messages per day since you joined. Anyone who can spend that much time on the net must have no life.

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