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Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 1:30 am

George Bush is urging the military and including civilians to receive smallpox vaccinations. Medical physicians are stating that smallpox vaccine itself is quite dangerous and the side effects are unpredictable.

But my point is, the odds of a smallpox or chemical and biological weapon attack is highly unlikely. The odds are VERY VERY slim!! Waste of money for sure and time. And dangerous as well. Your opinions please. These attacks wont ever happen because our terrorist suspects are being carefuly watch by spy and satellite surveilence.
 
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:11 am

The vaccine isn't that dangerous at all, and if there were to be a biological attack, the repocussions would be much worse if people weren't vaccined (risk of spreading etc). So Its eventually a good idea...
 
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:16 am

The vaccine can be dangerous. If everyone in the US were vaccinated there would be a few deaths from it.
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:30 am

777236ER,

It's the same situation with the flu vaccine too.
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:34 am

If everyone in the US were vaccinated there would be a few deaths from it.

Well, if everyone in the US crossed a busy street today, I'm sure there would be a few unfortunate deaths as well.

Nothing is 100% safe.
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 3:10 am

Yes Boeing Nut, but influensa kills people. What's the smallpox risk...?
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 3:14 am

I'm more inclined to risk 280 deaths through vaccination than 112,000,000 by doing nothing.
 
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 3:26 am

Wardialer,
I agree with you on this one.
I am thinking perhaps some pharma-
producer(s) has made a business
deal with Bush.
Just follow the money trail, I would say.
Eggd, no the vaccines aren't safe! Just ask
any honest physician that you know.
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 3:47 am

The only people who are going to be required to get the vaccine will be members of the armed services.

Civilians will only get the vaccine if there is an attack, and it will be given to people in the area of the outbreak to create a "fire break", an area from which the virus cannot escape.

My brother, who is in the service, asked our personal physician, and he was told not to worry about it in the least.
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:03 am

Some decades ago, all people got vaccinated with the smallpox vaccine. I know that my father was vaccinated as a young man, and he got a "refreshment" when he had gone for the first time to the USA in 1970.
By then all people had to be vaccinated. In that time smallpox was common in some countries (espescially in africa I think). I think with the better standards of medicine we have today, the risk is for sure very low.
In my opinion it is a good idea that the people that are afraid can get a vaccination if they want to. Makes them sleep better, wich is a good thing...
 
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:04 am

777236ER,

I was just reffering to the risk of death from the vaccine itself. There are a small number of people that die from the flu vaccine itself. It was explained to me on my last vaccination and I actually had to sign a waiver explaining that risk.
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 8:34 am

Smallpox is just too horrible a way to die. I'd get the shot even if there weren't a terrorist threat.

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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 10:12 am

You could learn from your friendly neighbour to the south, all infants are vaccinated with shots provided by the government.

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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 1:37 pm

Uh Marcus.

There is also a required shot regimen for newborns and toddlers in the US also.

There are also shots required for entry into school.

In a lot of cases the public health workers aren't charge or charging a nominal amount $5-10 bucks.



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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:14 pm

Take a look at what I found


The following article by Jon Rappoport is the first I’ve seen reporting the harmful and possibly devastating effects of the Bush administration’s rapidly advancing smallpox vaccination program. These results were previously predicted as expected outcomes by this author and many, many others.

I interject this foreword to alert you to the additional support cited below for the thesis raised earlier that the smallpox vaccination program is part of a genocidal agenda facilitated by the Bush administration’s “War on Terrorism” and their current efforts to “immunize” the population against smallpox and later anthrax.

In reality, this policy aims to induce chronic illness, additional healthcare expenditures (including pharmaceutical sales) and, ultimately, population reduction in America.

Given the information below, and far more published elsewhere, this is certainly the anticipated outcome of this “preventative plan” for homeland insecurity.

The “additional support,” I refer to, comes from identifying Baylor University and their College of Medicine as the site of this initial study.

The following information was compiled for the book Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse (Tetrahedron Publishing Group, 1999; www.tetrahedron.org; 1-888-508-4787) by this author along with Dr. Joseph Puleo.

Based on reputable sources, Past President George H. W. Bush’s Secretary of State, James Baker III (Florida vote scam overseer for the current president), was reported to have owned part of the vaccine manufacturing company against whom ailing Gulf War veterans had filed a lawsuit.

Moreover, Mr. Bush is said to have been a major shareholder in that company—Tanox Biosystems of Houston.

It is also well known that this past president, father to the current president, has served in an official capacity at Baylor University for some time.

Not long before becoming CIA director, certain intelligence regarding Tanox’s collaborative studies with Baylor College of Medicine concerning Mycoplasma infections and related vaccinations was available to the elder Bush.

Tanox was also closely linked to Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo, who, under employment by The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, isolated and patented a “Pathogenic Mycoplasma” originally taken from an AIDS patient, that somehow contaminated many of the vaccines given to allied military personnel traveling to the Middle East in lieu of “Operation Desert Storm.”

Only the French soldiers who did not receive the American made vaccines did not develop GWS during this earlier war with Iraq.

Further, what would seem inconceivable without seeing the documents reprinted in Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse, Tanox and Baylor College of Medicine first tested their Mycoplasma-infected vaccines on Huntsville, TX prisoners. As a result, the prisoners, and others in the community with whom the prisoners made contact, developed GWS long before the Gulf War. Thus, GWS could have been, and probably was, predicted and effected.

Furthermore, evidence compiled by lawyers for the class of people sickened by Mycoplasma incognitas and related illnesses, from Huntsville, Texas, revealed more astonishing documents. These, also published in Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse, showed that Baylor College of Medicine investigators collaborated on studies of vaccinated Huntsville prison inmates beginning in 1968.

Mycoplasma inoculations, as well as Mycoplasma vaccination studies, were listed as having begun in 1970 under U.S. Army contracts. Incredibly, Baylor’s contract literally raised the specter of “ethnic cleansing” or racial genocide as it proved cervical cancer studies comparing Christian versus Muslim women, as well as Jewish versus Black women, were in progress.

Thus, to have this Bush administration authorized smallpox vaccine study be conducted at Baylor, where the senior Bush has served in an official capacity, with imput from the Tanox-linked College of Medicine is chilling.

This is especially so considering the fact that today, unlike the early 1970s when the early Mycoplasma studies began, Mycoplasma is now considered among the most common vaccine contaminants. It is also currently linked to the recent onset of pandemic Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome and many other illnesses, including certain expressions of HIV/AIDS.

In conclusion, as I wrote elsewhere and said often, if you see “first responders” coming to inoculate you with “cow pus,” which is virtually what the smallpox vaccination is in its purest unadulterated form, run away and hide.

SMALLPOX VACCINE RESULTS ARE IN

DECEMBER 9. The first returns are in on the smallpox vaccine.

A recent multi-center US government clinical trial on 200 'young adults' has been completed, MSNBC reports. The volunteers who got the shot were very healthy to begin with. One researcher, Kathy Edwards, called them the 'crème de la crème.'

Okay? So get this. 'Yet when she [Edwards] inoculated them with smallpox vaccine, arms swelled, temperatures spiked and panic spread [at Baylor University]. It was the same at clinics in Iowa, Tennessee, and California.'

Stats: After the shot, one-third of the volunteers missed at least a day of work or school.

75 out of 200 experienced high fever.

'Several were put on antibiotics because physicians worried that their blisters signaled a bacterial infection.'

Wow. And look, smallpox is a VIRUS, and antibiotics DON'T WORK against viruses. So, in essence, the researchers were inferring that the vaccine SUPPRESSED THE IMMUNE SYSTEMS of the volunteers- --thus allowing bacterial infections to bloom suddenly---OR the vaccine was contaminated with bacteria to begin with.

Researcher Edwards, who headed up the study, said, 'I can read all day about it [the adverse effects of the vaccine], but seeing it is quite impressive. The reactions we saw were really quite remarkable.'

When a researcher makes a comment like this, you know some very bad things are happening.

AND THIS WAS A POPULATION OF EXTREMELY HEALTHY VOLUNTEERS. YOUNG ADULTS WHO SHOULD BE AT THE VERY PEAK OF LIFE, WITH THEIR IMMUNE DEFENSES FULLY INTACT.

Of course, this story didn't get much play in the press.

But the handwriting is on the wall. Anyone can see what'll happen if they start shooting up people by the millions with the vaccine.

For example, people who don't qualify as severely immune suppressed by any obvious assessment, but still do, in fact, have reduced immune capacity---AND THAT IS A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE.---these folks will be AT GREAT RISK from the vaccine.

This government study is KEY. Because later on, they will try to cover up the devastating effects of the vaccine. They will lie, distort, omit. But right now, here it is. Out in the open. The results, for all to see.

Let me tell you something. The CDC WANTED to release the results of this study. They wanted to go on the record now, before the stuff really hits the fan. They are very frightened of being nailed for killing people with the vaccine.

 
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Fri Dec 20, 2002 3:28 pm

Wow. And look, smallpox is a VIRUS, and antibiotics DON'T WORK against viruses. So, in essence, the researchers were inferring that the vaccine SUPPRESSED THE IMMUNE SYSTEMS of the volunteers- --thus allowing bacterial infections to bloom suddenly---OR the vaccine was contaminated with bacteria to begin with.

What a load of crap. This person clearly doesn't know a damn thing about medicine.

First of all, Smallpox is a virus, and a virus is basically a bundle of DNA. The vaccine is a non-lethal (bovine, specifically) form of the virus, and the two don't get along. If you have one, you won't have the other. Nothing magical about it, just simple biology. And the antibiotics are not for use on Smallpox, I don't know why he thinks they are. Maybe he's just a moron.
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Sat Dec 21, 2002 12:37 am

Look everyone, the main point of this post is that these attacks are highly unlikely in the future.
 
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:45 am

Wardialer- how in the hell do you know?! Saddam has heaps of weapons just sitting around right under the inspectors' noses, which could very well contain smallpox. When smallpox was supposedly wiped out, a few hundred bottles were missing. Hmm, now where could some of these be?

I would rather "risk" taking the vaccine than getting smallpox. If you don't want to take that "risk", you can take the other risk of possibly getting smallpox. Am I saying that it's going to happen? No. But I would rather be safe than sorry, especially in a time like this, when attacks are very possible. Why you think Saddam isn't trying to kill people he hates, I don't know, but I can guarantee that attacks, whether biological, chemical, nuclear, whatever, will happen in the near future.
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:46 am

Wardialer, my suggestion to you is not to get vaccinated for smallpox.

I sincerely hope your optimistic opinion of the unlikelihood of bio-terrorism is spot on. However, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Sat Dec 21, 2002 3:00 am

"Saddam has heaps of weapons just sitting around right under the inspectors' noses, which could very well contain smallpox. "

How do you know this? What is your source?
 
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Sun Dec 22, 2002 9:44 pm

It is not "only" the Iraq. It is also Al-Queda and those sick individuals like the Una-Bomber or Washington Sniper. Remember the nervousity (not to say: panic) some envelopes filled with white powder have caused recently?
And a couple of years ago no one spent a thought on hijacked planes flying into the WTC. And spreading smallpox in a highly mobile world seems to be quite easy. Just get one weirdo (let's say: one Al-Queda fighter) infected and travel to London, Frankfurt, Paris or Rome - and you will see smallpox in the U.S. a couple of days after.
I do not consider the German government quick in jumping on whatever bandwagon but they ordered plenty of smallpox vaccines over the last months to get the whole German population vaccinated. It is definitely not a waste of money.

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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Sun Dec 22, 2002 11:39 pm

Super Em, you stumbled upon yet another conspiracy theory.

"In reality, this policy aims to induce chronic illness, additional healthcare expenditures (including pharmaceutical sales) and, ultimately, population reduction in America. "

So the US government WANTS to cause widespread disease caused by viral and bacterial infections with the ultimate goal of wiping out their own population?

Even Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin weren't that diabolical (though Stalin did manage to kill 20-50 million of his own people in his attempts to wipe out the non-Russian minorities).
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RE: Smallpox Vaccines A Waste Of Money And Time

Mon Dec 23, 2002 2:12 am

As "NoUFO" said, the german government ordered 80 million doses of smallpox vaccine for the german population.
The Austrian Government ordered also smallpox vaccine for the entire population, I think it happened in the beginning of november.

And with the new and serious Bio-Attack warnings we get from german investigators, this was not a bad idea.

A smallpox vaccine can be of help up to 4 days after an infection, so it does make sense to have that vaccine on stock. If people want to be vaccinated they should be allowed to.

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