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What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 6:50 am

north korea is moving towards reactivating its nuclear program. President Clinton has revealed that he was about to attack north korea and bomb its reactors but that they backed down after north korea closed its program.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2578497.stm

North Korea is nearer to getting a nuclear bomb than iraq. Further more its very very likely to sell one to the highest bidder since it will be able to build 8 a year at least. It cannot feed its people in winter, therefore mr bin laden offering sackful of dollars to them would be something they couldnt refuse.

the UN says the situation is very worryinghttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2607375.stm

and North Korea is being called a nuclear timebomb http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2604587.stm
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:25 am

I'm sure a lot of options are being looked @ right now but I would bet anything an Ohio class submarine is somewhere near North Korea right now just in case.
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:48 am

You don't need to do anything about North Korea. They haven't threatend you and they're not currently a risk ..

Mind you, you could vote in some president that isn't so stupid that he runs around telling us all how much he "loathes" the leaders of other countries. Anyone considered buying him "Diplomacy for Dummies"?





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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:53 am

Add it to the 'Axis of Evil'

Whoops - already tried that - seems it hasn't worked.....  Big grin
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 8:15 am

ADG,

I didnt vote for bush since im not american. I would feel slightly uneasy if i lived in austrailia knowing that a state with ambitions in the pacific is playing a game of brinksmanship.North korea might not threatern the uk at the moment but hitler didnt threatern us in 1939, further more we shouldnt bury our heads in the sands but to try and bring a positive peaceful solution.

North korea is a risk, im sorry but it is.it is a risk to the south, to japan to china and to the usa. Furthermore, its just as likely if not more likely than iraq to sell a weapon to terrorist organisations or other rouge states since it needs the money.

re the axis of evil speech, it was a bad phrase.
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 8:19 am

NK is the biggest threat to world peace. Even those cushy Aussies living comfortably under the protective US military are at risk.

I believe that NK MUST be prevented from developing nuclear weapons. The risks invading NK now are less than the risk of a nuclear-armed NK in the future.

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RE: Should We Be Worried?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 8:20 am

"Q: Should we be worried?

A: Yes - arms proliferation matters, especially when weapons of mass destruction fall into the hands of secretive, unpredictable regimes which may well be heading for catastrophic failure.

Many experts believe that the North Korean system is in terminal decline. Its people suffer great poverty and frequent famine. How the regime ends matters, and managing this potential crisis is made harder if it has nuclear arms.

There is also the danger that an unstable regime like this could provide such weaponry to third parties. North Korea already has a bad track-record in the proliferation of missile technology. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2340405.stm

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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 8:20 am

Let Canada deal with it....  Yeah sure
 
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 4:56 pm

not Canada... but.... CHINA.

Then we pull out all our troops. The Koreans apparently don't want us there anyway.

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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:02 pm

I would feel slightly uneasy if i lived in austrailia knowing that a state with ambitions in the pacific is playing a game of brinksmanship.

Only as uneasy as I feel as a country on the other side of the world is playing a game of on upmanship on the rest of the world. Australia has taken a stand against North Koreas actions, withdrawing from an agreement to open an embassy there, however that doesn't change the fact that America appears to be inciting North Korea for some reason. I wonder if it is deliberate.

North korea might not threatern the uk at the moment but hitler didnt threatern us in 1939, further more we shouldnt bury our heads in the sands but to try and bring a positive peaceful solution.

There is no justification for taking pre emptive action on countries that are currently not a viable threat. That's not only sheer stupidity, it's terrorism.

North korea is a risk, im sorry but it is.

Every country is a risk. The biggest threat to world peace at the moment is NOT within the "axis of evil".

it is a risk to the south, to japan to china and to the usa. Furthermore, its just as likely if not more likely than iraq to sell a weapon to terrorist organisations or other rouge states since it needs the money.

And that makes it different from other, western countries that do exactly the same thing?

re the axis of evil speech, it was a bad phrase.

They bear keeping an eye on, but nothing more at this stage.




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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:05 pm

NK is the biggest threat to world peace. Even those cushy Aussies living comfortably under the protective US military are at risk.

Define this so called risk and stop insulting Australians.

I believe that NK MUST be prevented from developing nuclear weapons.

Justify your statement.

The risks invading NK now are less than the risk of a nuclear-armed NK in the future.

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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:32 pm

never cease to surprise me adg
 
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:41 pm

Well, we are just lucky that relations are getting slightly better with North Korea, but who knows what can happen next.
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:57 pm

NK is unfinished business just like Iraq, The job should of been completed in 1951 but was left to fester, Someday NK will launch a strike against SK. Its going to happen. The only reason the US hasn't attacked NK is because of China, and I believe that as soon as The US attacks NK China will attack Taiwan. And that is my 2 cents . Thanks, DC10GUY
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:27 pm

Go America, Go America !!

1) Attacking Afghanistan
2) Attack Iraq
3) Attack North Korea
4) Attack Syria
5) Attack Iran

"Diplomacy for Dummies" , thats the best I've heard in a long while.

 
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:28 pm

Diplomacy sucks... long drawn out tedious process that seldom works.

Two Words....... Cruise Missiles

The US should have flattened this reactor before they loaded it full of nuclear fuel.

Too bad Israel is so damn far away.  Angry The're have a good history of leveling nuclear reactors in other countries.  Big thumbs up

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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:04 pm

DC10GUY,

What's the capital of North Korea? Your post is so full of shit that I wonder if you even know what you're talking about.

'NK will launch strike against the South. It's going to happen'

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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:25 pm

Manni, whats up with your hostile post??? I can't even spell the capital of North Korea, but that doesn't matter much ...Our B2's know exactly where it is.... Later Dude. P.S. try these munbers 2-12-13-27-34-51 Good Luck !!!
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:37 pm

Actually Jet it is probably a better idea to wait untill they have it full of fuel and then blow it to hell.

That way they are out both a reactor and the fuel they had....:D

Remember that Pongyang is the only communist captiol to fall in a war. It was that sudden fear of having American troops on their border that prompted Chinese forces to cross the Yalu river. They felt that it would be a threat to them. Remember this is just after the Chinese revolution that saw the free Chinese government supported by the US flee to Taiwan, where they still live and the communists take over.

I don't think NK would see the levels of support they got from China and Russia in a armed conflict today. Those two supporters have much closer relations with the US now.

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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:55 pm

Australia has taken a stand against North Koreas actions, withdrawing from an agreement to open an embassy there.

Boy, they sure won't mess with you again!  Yeah sure

and stop insulting Australians.

I think it's you that's insulting Australians.
 
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Sat Dec 28, 2002 1:06 am

I saw an interview with Richard Butler the former United Nations chief weapons inspector. I must agree with much of what he said in that interview:

Some highlights:

"What is terribly wrong here, Maxine, is that the fox [the US] is in charge of the chicken coop."
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"Now, at the end of the Cold War, what we needed was a new instrument to deal with the thing that was the hallmark of the Cold War, namely the spread of weapons of mass destruction - something like a council on weapons of mass destruction, that would be the place where all powers would come together and agree and make sure that the non-proliferation treaties worked."
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"And that's my biggest fear - that we will wait to create that council in the same way that we waited to create the Security Council and that wait then cost 70 million dead.

I don't believe we should await millions of people killed with weapons of mass destruction to then say, "You know, we need a special arrangement to deal with those weapons."

"We know how devastating they are now."

The full interview: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/s754259.htm

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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Sat Dec 28, 2002 1:26 am

Keep an eye on them...if they go through with re-activating there reactors, then military action may be required.
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Sat Dec 28, 2002 1:27 am

You don't need to do anything about North Korea. They haven't threatend you and they're not currently a risk ..

Yeah, whatever.

Mind you, you could vote in some president that isn't so stupid that he runs around telling us all how much he "loathes" the leaders of other countries.

Translations: Americans are stupid assholes because of who they voted in for president. Yeah, whatever.

For all of those who feel the DPRK is not a threat: a nation does not become a "threat" when the overtly threaten someone, or attack another nation. They become a threat when their military build-up begins to take on proportions well beyond simply "self-defense". This was the case with Nazi Germany from 1936 until they attacked Poland, and Europe did nothing; this was the case with Saddam Hussein before the Iran-Iraq war, but the world did not take much notice until the war broke out. And, this is the case going on in Pyongyang right now.

If the fact they're restarting their dormant nuclear reactor doesn't set off alarms; if the fact they're now throwing out U.N. nuclear inspectors so that what they're doing will not be reported back to the U.N., doesn't set off alarms to you, then you don't understand what the word "threat" means.

This is a threat to every nation in the region: Russia, China, South Korea and Japan, most notably. If you can't see the threat to those nations-Russia, the ROK and Japan, most of all, then you don't understand the seriousness of this situation.

Unfourtunately, left to some people on this board, and in the world community, nothing would be done about this threat until the DPRK actually uses these weapons on someone. That's when it's too late. If you don't believe me, then ask the old-timers in Poland, Czechslovakia-indeed, all of Europe about when a threat should be dealt with-before it has a chance to cause death and destruction, or only after it has done so?
 
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Sat Dec 28, 2002 1:34 am

There is also the danger that an unstable regime like this could provide such weaponry to third parties.

That's pretty much a sure bet.
 
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Sat Dec 28, 2002 1:41 am

Alpha 1

Please do detail for me the threat to Russia from the DPRK. I have seen you mention this several times, but am only now remembering to ask you. Just interested in exactly what threat Russia faces from Pyongyang, and where this threat exists.
 
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Sat Dec 28, 2002 1:52 am

Hostille posts? How about some pathetic posts...

Dc10guy,

'Our B2's know exactely where it is'

JETPILOT

'The US should have flatened this reactor before they loaded it full of nuclear fuel'

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'...it is probaply a better idea to wait until they have it full of fuel and then blow it to hell...'







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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Sat Dec 28, 2002 2:41 am

Alpha 1

Please do detail for me the threat to Russia from the DPRK. I have seen you mention this several times, but am only now remembering to ask you. Just interested in exactly what threat Russia faces from Pyongyang, and where this threat exists.


Aviatsiya, tell me how far Russia's main Pacific port, Vladavostok, lies from North Korea? http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/lgcolor/rucolor.htm

About 400 miles, am I not correct? Russia opposes Pyongyang's mission to acquire nuclear weapons, and this is one of the reasons-such weapons, with only a medium-range missile, puts their major pacific port within range of those weapons. That constitutes a threat. Again, you don't have to publically say you're threatening someone for there to be an implicit threat. All you have to do is look at that map, and you'll see while even China doesn't like the fact that the DRPK wants weapons. China and the DRPK may be allies now, but alliances don't always last, do they?

Russia sees this as a threat for the same reason the U.S. saw the introduction of nuclear missiles into Cuba in 1962-geography. It's easy to launch a missle from the DRPK onto Vladovostok, just as it was easy for the Russians to launch one from Cienfuegos in Cuba in 1962 onto Washington D.C.

The point is that if North Korea does get these weapons, with the history of that sad land, it IS a threat to the ROK, to Japan, to China, to Russia, simply becuase of geography.
 
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RE: What Do We Do About North Korea?

Sat Dec 28, 2002 2:57 am

Alpha 1

I know that Vladivostok is only a short distance from North Korea; in fact, Air Koryo flies to VVO on a scheduled basis to fly in/out all of the North Korean nationals who currently work in the port city.

But you have stated that the Russians see North Korea as a threat, and I was asking you "what is the threat" and "where is the threat"?

In other words, exactly what documents have the Russians released which specifically says that the North Korean situation is a threat to their own security and stability?

The fact is, there really isn't anything.

Russia and North Korea have very cordial relations at the moment. North Korea values the relationship which they currently have with Putin. The Moscow Mayor is in FNJ at the moment on an official state visit.

The Russians really aren't worried about North Korea. The perception in the Russian media (what I have read) is that this "saga" is merely postering between North Korea and America and doesn't involve them.

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