New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Sat Jan 04, 2003 4:20 pm

Courtesty of Australia:

This is one of the greatest muscle cars in the world, take look at the pictures and see what the guys in the states [soon] and in Australia enjoy!!

Go Holden go!



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RE: New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Sat Jan 04, 2003 4:23 pm

I don't know if I buy into this scheme of designing new speedsters and then giving then the names of classic designs.

Seems a bit cheep for me.

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RE: New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Sat Jan 04, 2003 10:35 pm

It´s a GM product, nothing more, nothing less...
From New Yorqatar to Califarbia...
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RE: New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:04 am

MB, ever since my extended visit to OZ, I have wondered why GM did not bring some of the excellent Holden products over here; one US car magazine has asserted that "the best American cars being built by GM, are being built in Australia."

They are already selling the entire Commodore/Caprice line in the middle east under the Chevrolet nameplate (funny!).

I am looking forward to the Monaro's arrival. I also expect to see the Ute imported and sold under the Chevrolet el Camino nameplate, in which role it will do verywell, methinks. Now, if we could just get a Commodore SS...

..still planning to buy you that beer, someday.
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RE: New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Sun Jan 05, 2003 4:24 pm


Holdens has been doing exceptionally well of late. The Commodore and Statesman being sold in the Middle East and other countries under the Chevy Lumina brand. It's been a runnaway sucess for them.

The interesting sucess is probably due to the Aussie engineers who thought of nothing in raiding the GM global worldwide parts binm re-engineering engines and components and making unique cars that are excellent. The quality in recent years has been way above world standard and this has got the attention of head office.

The Monaro is a perfect example of this. A stunning car and even in the V6 format exceptionally powerful, add the V8, well talk about thunder from down under. A mate took delivery of one recently and you only have to tap the pedal and the thing bolts like lightening, but in a very smooth and controlled manner. Whoa! Put's my little MX in the shade I tell you. Although they are different beasts - the Monaro was an excellent drive with great handling, response and suspension. and I hate to say it, better than a lot of the Euro imports. And I love European cars.

The fact that GM in the US has allowed the Monaro programme to extend to the USA is great, and a very good signal that our motor industry is healthy and winning accolades worldwide.

Speaking of my MX5, Mazda recently released a supercharged version made here in Oz (the conversion) and I test drove one to see. WOW! Tonnes of power and even more roadholding than the standard (which is good on our models - you guys get the *Californian Suspension* which is crap) and it was even more fun to drive than the Monaro.

Oh and the latest rumour from Holdens is that you guys might well be getting the Commodore to replace *something*, not sure about the Ute though??

Still waiting for that beer mate... lol


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RE: New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Sun Jan 05, 2003 6:36 pm

It's a pity it's taken Ford so long to get its house in order, and the export opportunities aren't there for it. The BA Falcon is definately a world class product, and probably (like the Commodore) the best value car in the world.

Strangely, Ford is the only one that doesn't have any real export business going on, unlike Toyota, Holden & Mitsubishi. There are small design hints in the BA that hint at export potential - eg. the relocation of the fuel tank. It does seem like a car that could sell in the US market, it's certainly better than the Taurus. The quality of Australian cars has improved immensely over the years, the quality of the Japanese marques assembled here is especially brilliant.

Reading an article in the paper a little while back, Holden apparently wants to become a Volvo. Small domestic market, quality products, making the most out of growth opportunities outside the home market. It's not quite in the Volvo league yet, certainly for quality.



Mx5Boy - what are all these clown signatures about?

RE: New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Sun Jan 05, 2003 7:02 pm

Now all we need is for the HSV range to be exported to the American market.

Sccutler, could you see the Texans driving this beast around?

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RE: New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Sun Jan 05, 2003 9:01 pm

OH my god...It is a Subaru Brat!!!

RE: New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Sun Jan 05, 2003 10:23 pm

Far from a Brat. I had to laugh at this:

"This mini pickup-like, two-seater vehicle with 4-wheel drive was the first of its kind. By today's standards, it's an SUV, but an 1.8 liter engine, small truck box, and hauling capacity of 2220 to 2245 pounds puts it more in the car category. No matter what you call it, the Brat was and still is quite unique."

Doesn't matter that Holden and Ford have been making utes for god knows how many years.  Laugh out loud

I also don't think the Brat can match these specs  Smile

Bore & Stroke: 99.0x92.0mm
Displacement: 5665cc
Compression Ratio: 10.1:1
Fuel System: PFI 91/95 RON ULP
Engine Block: Eight cylinders, V-formation, OHV/pushrods, all alloy, cross-flow heads.
Maximum Power: 260kW @ 5600rpm
Max Torque: 475Nm @ 4000rpm
Cylinders: 8
Valves: 2 per cylinder

Transmission: 6 speed manual

Gear Ratios
First: 2.66:1
Second: 1.78:1
Third: 1.30:1
Fourth: 1.00:1
Fifth: 0.74:1 Sixth - 0.50:1
Reverse: 2.90:1
Final: 3.73:1

Front : Independent, MacPherson struts, steel lower I-arms, progressive rate coil springs, gas dampers and ball joint mounted anti-roll bar.
Rear : Independent, semi-trailing arm, lower steel wishbone, progressive rate mini block coil springs, gas dampers and a fixed mount anti-roll bar.

System: Bosch four sensor four channel anti-lock braking system.
Front : Ventilated discs, cross drilled
Rear: Ventilated discs, cross drilled

Wheels & Tyres
Wheels: 8.0Jx18 Alloy
Tyres : 235/40 ZR18

Steering: Rack and pinion with variable power assistance according to engine speed

Towing Capacity: 1600kg(with brakes) 750kg(without brakes)

Length (mm) : 5049mm
Height (mm) : 1462mm
Width (mm) : 1845mm
Weight (kg) : 1838kg(kerb)

Fuel Tank Capacity : 70 litres

BTW, for those who don't know that is the HSV (Holden) Maloo R8 Y (as opposed to the standard Maloo Y) and is yours for the bargain basement price of AU$58,000 (US$33,000).

Another HSV car I am surprised hasn't really been exported is the HSV ClubSport R8 Y

Bore & Stroke: big bore 57 mm dual exhaust system
Displacement: 5737 cc
Compression Ratio: -
Fuel System: sequential multi-point port fuel injection
Engine Block: 5.7 litre V8 LS1 V8 engine, aluminium block and heads, cast iron cylinder bores
Maximum Power: 260kW @ 5600rpm
Max Torque: 475Nm @ 4000rpm
Cylinders: 8
Valves: 2 per c ylinder

Transmission: High-torque capacity T56 6 speed manual

Gear Ratios
First: 2.66
Second: 1.78
Third: 1.30
Fourth: 1.00
Fifth: 0.74 - Sixth: 0.50
Reverse: -
Final: 3.73

Front : 27mm anti-roll bar, variable rate coil springs
Rear : 15mm anti-roll bar, fully independent, gas dampers

System: ABS
Front : ventilated discs 330 mm x 32mm
Rear: solid discs 315mm x 18mm

Wheels & Tyres
Wheels: 5 spoke 18 x 8 inch alloys
Tyres : 235/40ZR18502

Steering: power assisted rack and pinion

Towing Capacity: -

Length (mm) : 4884 mm
Height (mm) : 1450 mm
Width (mm) : 1842 mm
Weight (kg) : 1700 kg

Fuel Tank Capacity : 75 Litres

Yours for only AU$69,000 (US$39,000)
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RE: New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Mon Jan 06, 2003 1:35 am

GM's new open-mindedness has everything to do with Bob Lutz joining the corporation. Lutz knows that it is all about product, and he's looking to deploy the best ones available, regardless of their provenance.

The Australian automobile market has always fascinated me, since the designers and engineers there have done a remarkable job of producing separate and distinct lines of products, tailored to the OZ market's particular needs, and doing so despite a (relatively) small market over which to amortize the development costs.

As for what the Commodore could replace, well, the complete Commodore line could readily replace the Chevrolet Impala ( ), which no one would much lament. the Impala's a competent car, at best, and I think you'd have to agree that it's as ugly as a stump.

And Aviatsiya, in answer to your question, yeas indeed, the Ute (with big, honkin' V8 power and ground effects) would likely sell like blazes here in Texas. It would be a fine successor to the el Camino, which was produced from 1959 through (I think) 1986. This one's a '71...

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RE: New Pontiac GTO For The States..

Mon Jan 06, 2003 2:55 am

Even as a rabid enthusiast of the classic "Goat" ( and Pontiacs in general ) I still approve...although am somewhat disappointed in the "looks like everything else on the road" styling. A few retro-cues woud be nice ( ala Mustang/T-bird ) The LS1 V8 is a great modern engine, and the Holden platform is a good match. It's good to see another new car with a "real" ( OHV ) V8 and rear wheel drive. -- I really don't consider it name piracy and I don't think it's desecrating the "real" GTO, as some die-hards do. It strikes me as a modern interpretation of the original platform...and the first visible sign that Bob Lutz is getting GM's boiler pressure back up. -- Suffice it to say, If I could afford one- I'd purchase one.

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