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Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 3:16 am

Uday, who is Saddams son, today warned that 9.11 will be like a picnic compared to the losses that America will suffer if they have a war with Iraq.

One of the main quotes was ""It is better for them (the Americans) to keep themselves away from us, Because if they come, September 11 which they are crying over and see as a big thing will be a real picnic for them, They will be hurt and pay a price they will never imagine.

Now, I read this and thought to myself, how can they claim on one hand to have significant weapons at all, and then on the other make claims like this, which they couldnt possibly follow through on without such weapons.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/24/sprj.irq.uday.reut/index.html
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2003 3:46 am

A declaration just for public opinion consumption.

Remember Saddam back in 1991? "The mother of all battles" ?

It came out being the distant nephew of the third daughter of our neighbor's mother battle.

He his just bragging.

But it all depends of the Iraqis capacity to resist.
In a conventional battle, in a city, armour is totally insignificant.
If the people of Iraq, considers that they are being attacked by a foreign power, then they will rally behind their President, even if he is a killer like Saddam. If that happens, I wouldn't like to be an American GI in Iraq.

That war will have a substantial percentage of psychological warfare operations, to guarantee that Iraqis will not support Saddam's supporters. In that way, a war will be a three of four weeks event. Otherwise, things will get tough, even without chemical weapons.

Remember Vietnam, Americans used chemical weapons against the vietcong, and the Vietnamese where armed with little less than AK-47's, yet, they won.

The ground conditions are quite different though.

The main problem for Americans would be post war operations by fanatics of the Republican Guard. Something like the SS in Germany, which could fight even after the end, and cause casualties between US or British troops.

 
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RE: Saddam's Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 3:53 am

Sounds like he is threatening the use of some kind of NBC weapons since we know Iraq's conventional forces will be nothing but cannon fodder for U.S. air power. When all the smoke clears, Iraq will be free from Saddam and his ilk and the world will be a safer place.
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 4:06 am

Maybe he says that an attack will boost terrorism for years to come?

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 4:16 am

I aint feelin a war with Iraq right now.

I say we pull out of Suadia Arabia and all the other Mid-East countries and leave them for broke. Don't even talk to em. Let them have fun by themselves, since they hate us so much...


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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 4:19 am

Funny, Saddam was saying the same thing in 90-91. He also said that the Air Force couldn't and wouldn't be able to be a decisive factor in any attack/war. 2 very good calls by Saddam.  Insane
 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 4:44 am

Hey, KLAX ...  Smile

How is your stock of candles and wood for the fireplace, and for food ?
Hope you have large quantities of hay, or whatever your horse eats, otherwise it's gonna be tough ...  Smile

 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 4:50 am

WTF are you talking about???

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 5:08 am

Uday is the stupid one, that Saddam try to kill (Uday is still limping), the one
to be careful about is Qusay. The 2nd oldest son of Saddam, cool, calculating
bastar.d that what he´s, not a bragging Psycho like Uday....
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 5:50 am

Makes you wanna kick the shit out of them, doesn't it? Doesn't mean I'm supporting a war, but it sure as hell burns you up.


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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:00 am

It'll be the Mother of All Picnics.
 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:20 am

Yeup, I heard that on Rush this morning. I haven't laughed so hard for a long time. These anti-war folks' whole premis is that there isn't a "smoking-gun," i.e. insufficient evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Yet this moron Uday is threatening use weapons of mass destruction on the US. What weapons, Uday?

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable that so many people buy Iraq's BS. Unbelievable that so many people don't think Iraq is a legitimate threat.

Which is not to say that I'd personally like to see the 'Mother of all wars.' But I think a surgical strike based regime change is in order. And in the end, it won't be my decision. But it appears that military action will be taken, and for that, I am grateful.

God bless America.

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 7:32 am

I agree, I heard this song and dance about 12 years ago.
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 8:22 am

Uday is a thug. He has apparently fallen out of favour with his father as the heir apparent due to his excesses, if you can believe it. He was apparently paralyzed in 96 in an assassination attempt.

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 8:54 am

Iraqs military will fall like a house of cards once the war begins.
 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 8:54 am

Dead men walking say the darndest things...

 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 9:06 am



speed- Innocent until proven guilty....

Its a basic right of a person/state, etc;


God save us from opperesion and violence that many prefer to choose..


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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 9:32 am

It's not a basic right in Iraq, Herman.
 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 9:51 am

I don't a war for one reason I don't want to be a part of it I am city boy I'm not built for war I really am I just don't want to go over there and mess with those crazy people. Oh yeah dose anyone know about the draft.
 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:40 am

Maybe he says that an attack will boost terrorism for years to come?

This is I definately agree.

Unbelievable that so many people don't think Iraq is a legitimate threat.

Iraq is only a threat because America made them a threat.

If Iraq was such a huge threat, America would have handled the situation long ago, possibly during the Gulf War. If not, shortly after.

But they didn't. The idea to attack Iraq came up after 9/11.

So what's the point? The US Government is using 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq when the goal is to take hold of Iraq's oil. Of course, they're not going to say that.

There was talk recently that Iraq MAY have the largest oil reserves in the entire world. Right now, everyone believes that Saudi Arabia has the world's largest oil reserves (25% of the entire world's oil supply), but some scientists recently are being led to believe that Iraq has even larger reserves. But, no one really knows since doing the research is not exactly easy in Iraq due to all the restrictions.

Not to mention that nearly the entire world is against a war on Iraq. What does that tell you?

A war with Iraq will not accomplish anything, and will only create further hatred against the US. Not just from the Middle East, but from the entire world. Many here complain about all the anti-Americanism. Well open your eyes and ask yourself why? Because of the power hungry bully government that the US has. Nearly the entire world is against the United State's aggressive power hungry government. Even Great Britain, America's closest European ally stated that it will not support a war with Iraq. What does that tell you? The US is a minority when it comes to the opinion about a war with Iraq. A war will piss off the entire world. I think a war with Iraq would end up bringing more terrorist attacks against the US and even further criticism by the entire world INCLUDING it's allies.

Bush is after oil, plain and simple.
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:55 am

You know what? The war is about oil.... and the war is about a Bush familly grudge. But too damn bad.... we are the big boys on the block, and we don't care what the rest of the world thinks. We are without a doubt at this time going in to kick his ass.... and you know what? I could care less about any of the people in that country. We want a friendly regime to stabilize our oil supply.

You don't like it? Too damn bad.

We arent going in to destroy his weapons.... but he does have them. No question.

Who says oil isnt worth fighting for......

I hope he uses chemical weapons..... Im all for above ground nuclear testing.

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:59 am

JETPILOT,

That attitude of yours is exactly why the US has so many enemies and why there is so much anti-Americanism in these forums. It's also why 3000 lives were killed in New York City.

It's this arrogant attitude of yours that angers the world.

The US thinks they have the right to do whatever they want and the world doesn't like that.

You piss off the entire world, then you've got a big problem buddy. Eventually, this arrogance will lead to WWIII.

I pray that it's not in any of our lifetimes as such a war would nearly destroy all of humanity.

I have one last thing to say for you JETPILOT. The Earth is for everyone, not just the United States.

[Edited 2003-01-25 03:01:29]
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:14 am

Who says oil isnt worth fighting for......

Exactly. So what if the war is about oil? It's a valuable commodity worth fighting for.



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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:14 am

BA: I think JET was being sarcastic. You're too emotional...
 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:15 am

Yeah the earth is for everyone...... tell that to the Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, the Spanish, The British and anyone else who thought it appropriate to make an attempt at conquering the world.

When did everyone start thinking the world was a fair and just place?

So I guess a fair analogy to your comment of us deserving Sept 11th is akin to a women in a hot mini skirt, and a low cut blouse deserving to get raped.

I could care less at this point what the rest of the world thinks about us....

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:25 am

Exactly. So what if the war is about oil? It's a valuable commodity worth fighting for.

Because you are getting it forcefully. It's like a robber entering a store and stealing.

tell that to the Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, the Spanish, The British and anyone else who thought it appropriate to make an attempt at conquering the world.

And why should the US be like them? Shouldn't the US know to be better than them?

When did everyone start thinking the world was a fair and just place?

This is about the US and the US only. Not the rest of the world. The US should be a fair and just place. It should be better than those countries that have perpetrated imperialist campaigns in the past.

So I guess a fair analogy to your comment of us deserving Sept 11th is akin to a women in a hot mini skirt, and a low cut blouse deserving to get raped.

You used a strong word, deserving. When did I EVER say the US deserved 9/11? I just said I love this country. I said 9/11 happened because of the US' power hungry bully government. I never said the US deserved it. Don't put words in my mouth.

I could care less at this point what the rest of the world thinks about us....

Oh you should, because it could mean your life. Or do you know care about your life?
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:30 am

Rai,

I WISH he is being sarcastic because he sets a bad example to the rest of the world.

As for emotional. I really really get irritated by arrogance. It bothers me more than anything else. I have a sense of laughter inside me (I take it humorously) and a sense of anger because it's sad that there are people who find themselves superior to others. In a way it's sort of contradicting the U.S. Constitution: "All men are created equal."

Regards
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:45 am

Im not an example.... Im an individual with an opinion. Im not reperesenting the other 280 million people here in America.

Im not arrogant... Im realistic. This is the way the world operates, and will continue to do so long after you and I are gone.

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 12:06 pm

Im not an example.... Im an individual with an opinion.

Your an example of the United State's power hungry arrogant government.

Im not arrogant... Im realistic. This is the way the world operates, and will continue to do so long after you and I are gone.

That's your opinion.
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Sat Jan 25, 2003 12:13 pm

Well, if Saddam's son or Osama Bin Laden were smart enough than they would just made those jetliners just crash into a nuclear plant or even the Wall Street.

Let's tell them that into there face and laugh at them!! Because think about it, we as in the United States are still standing on our feet. OK, sorry for the people who lost their life but think of the worst above.

Dumb dumb dumb people. These people like Osama and Saddam think that crashing a jetliner into a building would cripple the US. WRONG WRONG WRONG. As I said, if these people were clever enough they would carry out the above.
 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 8:45 pm

This Oil thing is a big problem from what I see.

I think the best thing for Saddam to do is to bomb all of his oil wells.

I love my car and want fuel to run it but if this means war then I'd rather go on foot and Bicycle.
 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:00 pm

JETPILOT: "Yeah the earth is for everyone...... tell that to the Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, the Spanish, The British and anyone else who thought it appropriate to make an attempt at conquering the world."

Remember what happened to Germany? End of existance. Remember what happened to the Japanese? Two nuclear bombs destroying Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Russians: decline from world power to a GDP near that of Belgium. The Spanish: becoming a (relatively) weak economy because they relied on money supply from South America. The British: exceptional case. They were forced out of India by a peaceful revolution.

If the US was so desperately needing Iraqi oil, its economy would already be down. "We want a friendly regime to stabilize our oil supply." Fine you want a friendly regime. Not fine you want a vassal to stabilize your oil supply. You've got one of that kind in Saudi Arabia; remember where Osama and most of the 9/11 "pilots" were from.

There are alternatives to oil, the famous regenerative energies: Put some solar cells on your roofs and in the desert and you'll be laughing at OPEC. Would also boost US high tech industries.

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:39 pm

Let's tell them that into there face and laugh at them!! Because think about it, we as in the United States are still standing on our feet

You can't be serious.

True, we are still here and we are still standing.
But do you honestly think think that those 4 planes and the felled Twin Towers was the beginning and end of it?

Let me tell you something. I have to give credit where credit is due. Whoever hatched the 9/11 scheme was a certified genius. Crazy and bloodthirsty, but still a genius nevertheless.

The actual loss of those Towers and the 4 planes was only the tip of the iceberg my friend. Basically, we built a "bomb" and all the terrorists did was light the fuse. They don't need to destroy us through weapons and biological warfare. We are doing a great job of doing it to ourselves. Basically they are using our own way of life against us. Just ask anyone who works (or used to work for) American, Delta, USAirways, or United. Or how about any one of the tens of thousands of people that are getting laid off almost daily in just about all sectors of the economy in general.

Like Mao Tse Tung once said:

"Kill one, scare a thousand"

And as for the world hating us for being "the bully", in this one specific instance [which is a bit of a red herring IMO anyway], that may be true. But I've said it before, and I'll say it again, that's not the real issue. Because the United States, as it is today: the "world policeman", is hated.

What would be the logical cure for that:

United States: "Do Not Disturb.....leave us alone....we're not interested...go away....we want to be alone....."

Would draw just as much wrath for "being a bunch of snotty isolationists in a "Global Village".

So you see....we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

The real issue is not our politics that the world hates, but rather, our way of life and freedoms that are unequalled and unparalleled anywhere else in the world.

The only way that the US will ever hope to be friends with the rest of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to 1) abolish Christianity, 2) become a Socialist State, and 3) break up into three of four smaller "nations".


 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:47 pm

And just as a post script to my last message:

To all of you that refer to the US as the "Great Evil", then perhaps you can answer for me why the US, for all its sins, and eroneous ways, is still BY FAR the most desirable and sought out country for people to move to.

Everyone wants to get IN, but I see very few going OUT.

What does that tell you?
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:58 pm

... it tells us you inhabit a strange and happy place known as MattD land and dance with the pixies before breakfast. Sure sounds better than reality !

I wouldn't let reality screw with my fantasies either, how I envy you that much.
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:25 pm

The only way that the US will ever hope to be friends with the rest of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to 1) abolish Christianity, 2) become a Socialist State, and 3) break up into three of four smaller "nations".


Exactly.

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Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:28 pm

"The only way that the US will ever hope to be friends with the rest of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to 1) abolish Christianity, 2) become a Socialist State, and 3) break up into three of four smaller "nations"."



Anyone believing this?

Remember where the Pope lives, remember where Christianity has grown to importance, remember which countries are earnestly socialist today (Cuba and North Korea), remember which part of Germany has joined the other, remember which countries are forcing integration into a Union. Don't be that flamebait and obviously incorrect.

The way the US can be friends with most of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to accept the rules of the global village. They include not to incite your neighbours against each other just because they don't agree with you.

But if you want to, go and pray for Rumsfeld and his way to deal with problems.





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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:51 pm

The way the US can be friends with most of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to accept the rules of the global village.

And who, exactly sets those rules?

 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:56 pm

These rules are set by discussing them, by fundamental democratic values and by agreeing on them. They are always slightly changing. They are not set by any individual or any nation or any organization. The UN is nothing more than a forum to set and impose some of these rules. By the way, the US was one of the "founding fathers" of the UN.
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sun Jan 26, 2003 12:02 am

If the US was so desperately needing Iraqi oil, its economy would already be down.

I highly doubt it's all about oil. The U.S. will always have access to Iraq's oil fields, because the Iraq (as well as other nations in the ME) has nothing else to export, has nothing else to make money with. The Iraq has always exported some 800. to 900.000 barrels of oil to the U.S. per year. Why should Americans fear that this could come to a stop?
No, it is indeed fear for WMD, and I do think the U.N. lacks some teeth, and if there is strong evidence of weapons of mass destruction that are being targeted at the rest of the world, then there is some argument for military action. Furthermore, I have no illusions about the bestialic nature of Saddams regime.

But at the same time I think the days should be gone when a single country (or two countries) can go in and battle with some other part of the world without the world's approval. Especially if this other part is such a sensible area like the Middle East.

Success of the American operation against Iraq will need to be judged against its success in - hopefully - decreasing the threat of Islamic terrorism.
Personally, I consider the military approach on Iraq an unwilling supporter of terrorism, rather than an appropriate step in combatting terrorism.

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sun Jan 26, 2003 12:15 am

So in other words, what you are saying is that the rules 'should be' mutually agreed to, but no one is actually bound to them if they so choose.
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 12:34 am

It's always a government's choice whether it wants to feel bound to rules. The US government is feeling somehow bound to them (if not, Bagdad would be burning right now), but is willing to change them without the approval of most of its partners.

Saddam is not feeling bound to these rules, the result of which is sanctions and isolation. Of course you can choose whether you stick to rules, but consider the results.

You got me right when you interpreted my opinion on how rules should be set. It's all about mutual respect and agreement. I'm sure it's far easier to tell Donald Rumsfeld this than it is to talk to Saddam. Nevertheless, there is no proof for Iraq being a substantial threat to world peace at the moment. If WMD are found in that country, I'll be all in favour of a surgical operation against Saddam and his fellows. It's better to bring them down than to let them give ABC-weapons to terrorists they feel united to for anti-American reasons.

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sun Jan 26, 2003 12:39 am

That's fine and all, but still, you never really answered my concerns about 1) why no matter what choice the US makes, it's screwed and 2) if the US really is that bad, then why do we still have a flood of people wanting to live here?
 
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:01 am

1. There's always someone who'll screw the decisions anybody makes. If Bush turned round and wanted nothing more than peace, many Americans would be pretty "worried" about that. At this moment, many are worrying because he wants war. You can never please everyone.

2. I have never said the US was bad. Ask those who do, for I don't get their point either.
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:18 am

"The only way that the US will ever hope to be friends with the rest of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to 1) abolish Christianity, 2) become a Socialist State, and 3) break up into three of four smaller "nations".

"The way the US can be friends with most of the world (Western Europe in particular) is to accept the rules of the global village. They include not to incite your neighbours against each other just because they don't agree with you."



What's the difference?

Western Europe is livid over the fact that the US doesn't need them or their "Global Village."

'Speed


 
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:56 am

'Speed: stop this. It is incorrect, you know it. US & EU do need each other, imagine trading between the two entities was stopped.
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sun Jan 26, 2003 4:56 am

"... imagine trading between the two entities was stopped."

Let's see, the EU would crumble. Great idea!

Seriously though, I don't have any problems with the EU as a trading organization. But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about Europeans opposing military action that would help the US strengthen it's national security. Why would our supposed allies want to prevent this? It makes no sense to me, other than what I mentioned before:

"Western Europe is livid over the fact that the US doesn't need them or their "Global Village."

The threats to my country are of greater concern to me than pandering to Europe.

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sun Jan 26, 2003 6:04 am

Then you better not board any civil aircraft after Bagdad has been burnt down.

You should also move away from any nuclear power plant, factory handling hazardous material and so on. I don't think fundamentalists are going to miss one single opportunity to say war against Iraq was anti-Islam. But once they start attacking the US again, your government can just go ahead and bomb the countries in the Mid East one by one. Than Mr. Nuke 'Em can come up with the glorious idea that dropping n-bombs was more efficient than employing ground troops, and here we go... Pakistan and India remember what kind of weapons they have and how "efficient" those are, and soon we'll see who was clever enough to go living in the Amazon forest or a similar inviting place.

Are you kidding me? "The EU would crumble." Let's see, we are oversupplied with food, we are supplied with primary goods from independent countries, we can build our own cars, aircraft, machines, computers, weapons, we could start trading with a lot more countries once we weren't considered allies of the US anymore... We have oil, we have gas from the North Sea and from Russia, among other sources, and we have quite some possibilities of growth. So why would the EU crumble?

As you could read between the lines, it's dangerous to think war in Iraq would stregthen any national security. Terrorists would have one further argument to convince muslims that their duty was "destroying the evil USA", they would happily accept Saddam as one of their martyrs and thousands of people would be anxious to murder American citizens.

Are you that much of a fan of dying?

As I said previously: I'm all in favour of removing Saddam's regime. But I'm not in favour of strengthening fundamentalists by making more and more people hate America and "the West". After all, it's clear that everything they have in common is hating "the West".

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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Sun Jan 26, 2003 6:19 am

We are talking about Europeans opposing military action that would help the US strengthen it's national security.

That's a pseudo-definition. As I wrote earlier (or in another post - I'm too lazy to check) I think the military approach will boost terrorism for years to come - not "only" in the U.S. but also (if not foremostly) in Europe.
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RE: Saddams Son Says War Will Make 9.11 A Picnic

Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:01 am

Actually Uday is right, a war will make 9.11 look like a picnic, but the majority of the dead will be innocent Iraqis.So he is right, but this should be taken as a warning, not as a threat.

Anyway, I don't expect America to take it too seriously, everyone knows the Americans do not give a damn about innocent people as long as they are not their own.

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