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More Crazyness From The UN

Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:16 pm

Iraq and Iran will co-chair the UN panel on disarmment during it's may session.

Here is the story

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/28/sprj.irq.disarmament.conference/index.html

Anybody else besides me saying, HUH!?!

Anybody else wonder why the US feels that the UN has no will for enforcing Iraqi disarmament?
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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:27 pm

Why do you care ?. Your own president has said he does not care what the UN says or does and if he wants to attack Iraq he will.


 
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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:28 pm

Well it does go to validate the position that you alledge that GW is taking.
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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:31 pm

I can't wait for certain people to come in and say "what's wrong with that?", like they did with Libya's heading up the Human Rights Commission.

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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:34 pm

Why do you care ?. Your own president has said he does not care what the UN says or does

Have you thought about the idea that perhaps the reason that Americans don't care much about the UN is that the UN keeps doing stupid things like this? Cause and effect.

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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:25 pm


Well it does go to validate the position that you alledge that GW is taking.



HUH? And how is that?
 
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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:17 pm

Just a direct consequence of a true democracy, Iraq and Iran have the right to give their opinion.
UN is not perfect for a simple reason: Decisions made by a group of different countries will never satisfied ALL the countries involved, quite obvious.
So to those anti-UN, a simple question....if there's no need of the UN, WHO will set the rules on the international scene? Each single country involved like USA or IRAQ? So the obvious conclusion will be that rules will be issued by the most powerful country and smaller ones will have to comply if they don't want to be invaded. Great.
Rules are important if there's a power behind, but power without rules is a terrible return in the past. That's why EACH single country has to comply with UN resolutions, US, Israel and Iraq included and only the UN should be able to decide wich country is a rogue state (via inspections if required)
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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Thu Jan 30, 2003 12:01 am

I have a hard time understanding why people are so eager to extend the benefits of 'democracy' to brutal dictators at the international level. These are the same dictators who aggresively crush any attempts to extend democracy to their own people.

Democracy is not about a voting process. It is about allowing individual human beings deciding how they will be governed. That is not what occured at the UN. The fact that the UN allowed Iraq and Iran to have assumed these roles is indefensible. This is no consequence of true democracy. This is a consequence of the perverted politics of the UN.
 
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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Thu Jan 30, 2003 4:34 am

I have a hard time understanding why people are so eager to extend the benefits of 'democracy' to brutal dictators at the international level.

Oh, I don't know .... because they may see the benefits of it and move towards it perhaps? Learn by example as they say.





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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Thu Jan 30, 2003 4:41 am

History teaches us that they do not. The USSR and China did not take their voting experience in the UN and use it as a basis for implementing democracy for their individual citizens.
 
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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:53 am

If it is indeed true that those countries are heading the disarmament panel, why are we bombing Iraq? Surely we should be bombing the UN?!!?  Big thumbs up
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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:59 am

Shhhh, Ryan. Don't give them the idea, the temptation would be irresistible  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:57 am

I have a hard time understanding why people are so eager to extend the benefits of 'democracy' to brutal dictators at the international level.

Exactly my sentiments. And until someone answers inteligently, I'll remain stumped.

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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Fri Jan 31, 2003 2:35 am

>>>UN is not perfect for a simple reason: Decisions made by a group of different countries will never satisfied ALL the countries involved, quite obvious.<<<

The concern isn't that the U.N. isn't perfect, rather, that it is ineffective. Not in everything it does, but in crucial areas such as enforcing disarmament in member states that have agreed to disarm.

>>>So to those anti-UN, a simple question....if there's no need of the UN, WHO will set the rules on the international scene?<<<

Excellant statement. There is the need for the U.N. But only if it has the will to enforce the rules it sets. Otherwise it is just a hollow mouthpiece, sort of a League of Nations. Should the U.N. become irrelevant, it will be by its own hand.

>>>Rules are important if there's a power behind, but power without rules is a terrible return in the past.<<<

Right, but as said above, you can set the rules and have power to enforce them. But without the will to use the power, the rules and power mean nothing.
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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Fri Jan 31, 2003 2:55 am

Kudos FDXmech! I was going to express the same thoughts but you stole my thunder. The U.N. is an important body for international diplomatic discourse, but unless it makes the choice to enforce those resolutions which it has already passed, it is in serious danger of becoming irrelavent.
 
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RE: More Crazyness From The UN

Fri Jan 31, 2003 4:00 am

This is a game, nothing more.

The UN was conceived as neutral territory where everyone can have a voice. Clearly the pipsqueak class of nations is using their voices in gangbanging the US, like so many knats orbiting a horse's head. This stuff happens just to piss us off.

And, aparently, it's quite effective.

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