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World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:05 am

Today, February 4, potential designs for the replacement of the World Trade Center complex were narrowed down to 2. Although whatever is built there won't replicate the designs exactly, they will serve as a model concept for the future development. Here is a link to the story:

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030204_1178.html
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:23 am

The two suriving proposals were the Daniel Libeskind proposal for the series of glass towers and the THINK proposal for the two very tall lattice work towers with the skypark at the very top.

It's too bad Norman Foster's design didn't come through, I liked that one a lot.

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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:31 am

I hope the Libeskind proposal is chosen. The THINK proposal I believe would be a constant visual reminder of the original twin towers - kind of like ghosts - with all the associated negative imagery.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:36 am

I hope the Minoru Yamasaki design is implemented. A reaaaaalllll long shot, yes....but one can still always hope.

Otherwise, the thing might as well remain the World Trade Pit filled with weeds and surrounded by chain link fence forever.

I spit in the face of any other design.
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:45 am

They should have picked Foster's concept, the Libeskind one looks horrific with toom any sharp and harsh angles, and I don't care too much for the THINK design. Foster's would have inspired the same awe and simple beauty that the original towers did but in a more modern form
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 8:44 am

There's WAAAAYYYYY too many "ar-teeeests" involved in this process and not enough common sense. The THINK design team's leader tried to convey what his design meant, and I was like ..."Ok." How about less "meant" and more "splendor"?

This process shouldn't be some Impressionistic orgy whose end result is really only appreciated by the archeitecturally 'cultured'. I'm not saying build a pre-fab brick or some gaudy retro block....but some of these designs were a little 'out there'. I mean how practical is the THINK design? Please.
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 9:20 am

So, any links to the 2 "finalists"? So far the PANYNJ site ain't working, Renew NYC.com is unavailable & the links on ABC News' site are gone.
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 10:13 am

Libeskind proposal:



THINK proposal:

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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 10:36 am

As I said, the Renewnyc.com site is currently Unservicable Big grin
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:06 am

lots of pictures and movies of the designs at:
http://www.nytimes.com

it's a link on the right side, shouldn't he hard to find.
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:28 am

The World fricken' Culture Center??? PUH-LEASE!

I've got your culture right here.

Here's my design. It's called the World Friggen Trade Center and it looks like this:



Only it's got one more story.

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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 2:36 pm

I'm terribly disappointed in the two finalists. In my mind they were the two worst proposals out of the choice of 10 or so we had last year.

The Libeskind proposal looks like a Planet of the Apes set. Why would anyone want to have NYC look like a wrecking ball went through it.

The THINK proposal looks like it is transparant. If it is, you can't have many people work there can you? A bloody waste of space.

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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:08 pm

God, I think these two look awful. They're to artsy fartsy. Oh well.  Sad
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:47 pm

TWAL1011- I completely agree with the whole Idea of putting 2 piece of crap buildings where once 2 great, beautiful, simple, yet classy ones stood. I am also opposed for looks, the building has to not only have the room needed to satisfy all of the businesses, yet also represent a Nation, and yet leave room for the memorial. But most importantly rub it into the terrorists' faces saying *we build the same building with one more floor, therefore proving we have overcome your attack, B*tch*.

If we build this-it's probably going to collapse since it's going to be built out of toothpicks, and won't symbolize a coutry, carry an *in your face* message or memorialize what the original WTC was all about.

Anyone up for the rebuilding of the WTC with one more floor say I!



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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 7:23 am

After the tragedy, it was said that no skyscrapers should be built at the site, and that the office offer in the WTC was too important; now, the designs are for higher buildings with the same amount of office floor...

All the proposed designs are bad, and not at all suited to restore New York's unique skyline; the ONLY solution would be to rebuild clones of the Twin Towers, with today's technical advances. These towers were absolutely fantastic, and they gave New York its distinctive image for 3 decades; they were also a fabulous testimony of the 20th century architectural genius.

Nothing else would be able to "replace" them, and surely not the proposed concepts.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 7:51 am

Nothing will ever 100% percent replace them of course, but I stand by my thought that this came the closest out of all of them.



distinctive, modern, yet some of the simple elegance the originals had.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:30 am

we want a building, not 2 incredibly large chopsticks buried in NEW YORK like it's a bowl of rice...
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:51 am

I'm not from NYC, I'm not even American, but - wow, my two favorites made it to the last round. No, I'm not kidding - I really like both proposals. Now I'm hoping the best for Libeskind.

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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:52 am

I still say either don't touch it or re-build the originals.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 10:31 am

re-build the originals

A poular opinion. But how many people would have the heart to work in a carbon copy of the former WTC?

But most importantly rub it into the terrorists' faces saying *we build the same building with one more floor, therefore proving we have overcome your attack, B*tch*.

As I see it, especially Libeskind's proposal "rubs" culture into the "terrorists's faces". It remirrors "civilisation vs. terrorism" best IMO and pays respect to the victims of 9/11.

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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 10:42 am

Sorry, but Libeskind's proposal sucks ass.
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:37 am

Greetings:

Both designs are a total waste of time, effort, land, and building material. New York should have the honor again of having the worlds tallest building! Not the worlds tallest "Airy" structure. The best design out of all of them was Peterson/Littenberg's design, modern yet elegant. I'd rather see the space left empty then seeing either of these structures go up.

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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 7:40 pm

The WTC wasn't the world's tallest building.
Peterson/Littenberg's proposal was neither modern nor elegant IMO but rather an uninspired retrodesign.

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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:31 pm

re-build the originals

A poular opinion. But how many people would have the heart to work in a carbon copy of the former WTC?



This reasoning was also used to explain why no skyscrapers should be built at the WTC site...and now the plans are for even higher towers.


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The WTC wasn't the world's tallest building.

Indeed, but these buildings were among the most spectacular and beautiful ones in the world. I can't even imagine New York without them....


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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:41 pm

Erm to be honest, the original twin towers wern't that great. They were boring and bland.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:47 pm

I think they should just put two ICBM silos there. Anyone who argues with the decision will just get their ass nuked. Saves a lot of tears and hurt feelings...
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:54 pm

the original twin towers wern't that great. They were boring and bland.

Of course these are personnal questions of taste...but they were objectively among the most impressive towers ever built. To see them in reality was an unforgettable event...!
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:14 am

I never said The World Trade Center were the world's tallest buildings. I simply said New York should once again have the honor of having the worlds tallest building which we did for 20 plus years. Or did everyone forgot about the Empire State Building? I still like Peterson/Littenberg's plan, yes it's retro which makes it fit nicely into the existing landscape.

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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:22 am

I think the real reason (or at least a significant factor) behind all of this "safety" rhetoric of the reluctance to rebuild the original Towers (even though there is overwhelming support for that idea) is the idea of putting something "new" there, simply for the sake of being "new". You know the whole idea of "well...we've been there done that"....
"those Towers were so 'yesterday' "..."the original architect not only had his time in the spotlight...but he is dead"...."let's give a new generation architect a chance to shine..."

Stuff like that.

or perhaps there is a little undocumented cash being passed around.

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Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:01 am

The main motivation for all these architects is to secure THEIR name in the architectural legacy of the world's most exciting city; but it's sad that the population has nothing to say in this important decision. But well, I must be dreaming...from Switzerland, where it would be possible for the population to act...

In addition to the unthinkable sufferings the attacks have caused, they have also disfigured the world's most impressive and famous skyline; honestly, without the Twin Towers, south Manhattan has become very unspectacular...a banal block of skyscrapers.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:14 am

I think they should just put two ICBM silos there. Anyone who argues with the decision will just get their ass nuked. Saves a lot of tears and hurt feelings...

LOL!

Consider that idea and mine as what the 2 real finalists should be.

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wern't that great. They were boring and bland. As are all of you anti-American posts lately.
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:38 am

I really wanted Lord Norman Foster's design to win out, perhaps they could incorporate his towers with the site plan of the two finalists.

From what I read it was the site plan Foster had in mind that detered the panel, he didn't include a new Greenwich street running through the site.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:39 am

As are all of you anti-American posts lately.

Wtf!! They WERE bland and boring! How does that make me anti-American?!
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:47 am

No, no, no. Not just this post.
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:48 am

TWAL1011,

While Im all for building tall (if not rebuilding the towers exactly as they were), the obvious question is who is going to occupy the upper level.

Are you going to move from Arizona to NY to live/ Work at the WTC, because alot of people who live here were traumatized by 9-11. So much so that many companies have actually left Manhattan.

I live in Central Jersey about 45 Minutes from Manhattan, right near me is a large Surburban Office Campus in Princeton. Before 9-11 it was the "back offices" for the Dow Jones Company (Parent of the Wall Street Journal), their main offices were on 11 floors in Lower Manhattan.

I was just visitng a client at the Dow Jones Offices in Princeton which are now the "Main" Offices for Dow Jones and the Wall Street Journal. The Wall Street Journal you read is now written and printed in Princeton NJ, the 11 floors of Main Offices in Manhattan are now 3 floors of the board of directors. Everyone else has been moved to Princeton.

And guess what, they were told they are not going back to Manhattan. The Wall Street Journal's permenant home is now Princeton NJ, in a very secure (had a hard time getting through the security gates) campus.

I think that's terrible that the Wall Street Journal is no longer in Manhattan, and they are represenative of other large corporations who have been scarred away from tall buildings and densely populated areas.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Fri Feb 07, 2003 9:20 am

The Libeskind design would be a ruin... An elaborate and deliberate one at that, but still little more than pain set in glass and steel. (And painful to look at.)

The Norman Foster design, however, looks really elegant and classy...

Let´s just hope that not all is lost, yet...
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Fri Feb 07, 2003 9:47 am

When Foster introduced his proposal, he quickly mentioned how people can be evacuated if need be. It's really one tall building ...

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Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:00 am

NoUFO: When Foster introduced his proposal, he quickly mentioned how people can be evacuated if need be. It's really one tall building ...

Well, really it´s two buildings, joined at "head and hip"...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Fri Feb 07, 2003 10:48 am

While Im all for building tall (if not rebuilding the towers exactly as they were), the obvious question is who is going to occupy the upper level.


That's a good point, STT757. I guess my response to that would be look at the other two options:

1) The space, or a large portion of it, occupied by a memorial. That means the space is unoccupied and a waste.

2) Smaller buildings. That means space that could be occupied, now or in the future, is wasted.

I'm sure there are many companies that will not be returning. If your old space is gone, and you've spent a ton of cash to move, why move back?

Others will lease the space.

BTW, does anyone happen to know how much WTC space was available for lease at the time of the attack?
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Sat Feb 08, 2003 1:48 am

Please enlighten me. Where have I been anti-American?
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Sat Feb 08, 2003 12:10 pm

Are you unable to do a search on your posts and read them?
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Sat Feb 08, 2003 12:29 pm

>>A poular opinion. But how many people would have the heart to work in a carbon copy of the former WTC?<<

If I didn't have an incredible fear of heights in skyscrapers, I would be willing to take a corner office on the top floor of said building.

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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Sat Feb 08, 2003 9:30 pm

Yes I can look at my own posts and I don't see how they're anti-American. Care to back up your comments?
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Sun Feb 09, 2003 6:54 am

So you WON'T back up your comments. Ok.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Sun Feb 09, 2003 7:16 am

Sorry, 236ER, I didn't know you were still here.

You can't see that they're anti-American? Your attitude toward the U.S. could hardly be labled as positive. I'm sorry the U.S. pisses you off so much, 777, I truly am.
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Sun Feb 09, 2003 7:19 am

Wow more allegations. I'm not particularly possitive towards some of the US government's policies. I've yet to see any evidence that my attitude toward(s) the US isn't positive or that the US pisses me off. I doubt you'll provide any.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Sun Feb 09, 2003 7:22 am

You mean you really like us???

Well then get over here and give me a hug, you big silly!
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2003 7:25 am

I would but you know how Matt D gets around hugging men.
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Sun Feb 09, 2003 10:31 am

LOL. Excited is the word.
 
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RE: World Trade Center Designs Narrowed To 2

Sun Feb 09, 2003 10:35 am

I personally love the Libenskind plan and I hope that one wins.

I've tried as hard as I could, but I can't not think the THINK plan is awful.

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