737doctor
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Flag Etiquette?

Sat Feb 08, 2003 12:38 pm

After the Columbia shuttle tragedy, I noticed many American flags flying at half-staff. Now, I've noticed that most of the flags are flying high once again.

Two questions:

1. How long should flags be flown at half-staff as a sign of national mourning?

2. Do other countries observe the same flag etiquette as the United States?

While we're at it, it would be interesting if members from other countries would post a picture of their flag or perhaps opinions of different world flags (i.e. favorite flag other than your own, least favorite, etc.)

And please, let's not allow this to deteriorate into a "my country is better than yours" flame war.
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sat Feb 08, 2003 12:56 pm

Most countries do have laws about using/displaying flags. These rules usually apply to all national flags not just that countries.

Please don't quote me but I believe in the US all national flags are public property and should be displayed at half-mast for the government designated period what-ever that may be.

The rule most often broken everywhere seems to be leaving flags up over night, DON'T ! I don't really have any favourites except that simple is good.
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sat Feb 08, 2003 1:01 pm

1. "How long should flags be flown at half-staff as a sign of national mourning?"

Some info on half-staff etiquette:
http://www.usflag.org/nff.half.staff.html

2. "Do other countries observe the same flag etiquette as the United States?"

There are some variations, but the main conventions are generally similar. Here, for example, is some info on Canadian flag etiquette:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ca_prtcl.html

"While we're at it, it would be interesting if members from other countries would post a picture of their flag..."

Here are the flags of the two countries I'm fortunate to call home:

USA:



Source: Conrad Suckow, Flags of the World (fotw.vexillum.com/fotw); used in accordance with that site's copyright policy.

SLOVENIA:



Source: Zeljko Heimer, Flags of the World (www.crwflags.com/fotw); used in accordance with that site's copyright policy.

...which will soon become a member of the EU:



Source: António Martins, Flags of the World (www.crwflags.com/fotw); used in accordance with that site's copyright policy.

BTW, Flags of the World (http://fotw.vexillum.com and other addresses) is a great source of flag pics and historic info. Whitney Smith's "Flags Through the Ages and Around the World" is a dated but otherwise amazing book on the subject.

[Edited 2003-02-08 05:26:11]
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sat Feb 08, 2003 1:04 pm

Greetings:

President Bush ordered all Federal flags to fly at half-staff until this past Wednesday. So it's normal now to see the flag flying at full-staff.

Regards
Tom

[Edited 2003-02-08 05:33:31]
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sat Feb 08, 2003 1:28 pm

On US installations in other countries where both the US and host nation's flag is flown. The host nation's flag will never be displayed higher than the US flag. The host nation's flag will fly at half staff slightly lower than the US flag.

FltMech9
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sat Feb 08, 2003 1:44 pm

On US installations in other countries where both the US and host nation's flag is flown. The host nation's flag will never be displayed higher than the US flag. The host nation's flag will fly at half staff slightly lower than the US flag.


Very interesting! Learn something new everyday.  Smile
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sat Feb 08, 2003 2:48 pm

It is okay to display the flag overnight as long as it is properly lit.
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sat Feb 08, 2003 4:35 pm

Also, when displaying a flag at half staff, it should be raised to full staff, then lowered to half. When lowering, the opposite should be observed.

The other one that irks me is flying a flag on an improper sized pole. I've seen a lot of gas stations do this, you'll see a batallion-sized flag (20'x50') on a 75' pole. Not only does it look rediculous, when flown at half-staff, the flag nearl touches the ground!

Also, the flag is not to be flown in inciment weather, and when it becomes too tattered to fly, it should be retired and disposed of in a dignified manner (burning).

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sat Feb 08, 2003 5:14 pm

Funny they call it 1/2 staff (or 1/2 mast as we call it), but it is only dropped 1/3 of the way down ..

We don't fly our flag higher than any other flag as that is disrespectful to the other country AND breaches international convention. They are all flown at equal height.


IMO the best flag in the world ...... but then i'm biased  Wink/being sarcastic



Half-masting
Flags are flown at half mast as a sign of mourning.

The flag is brought to the half-mast position by first hoisting it to the peak for an instant and then lowering it slowly to the half-mast position. The flag should again be hoisted to the peak before being hauled down for the day.

The position of the flag when flying at half-mast will depend on the size of the flag and the length of the flagstaff. It is essential that it be lowered to a position recognisably ‘half-mast’, so as to avoid any appearance of a flag which has accidentally fallen away from the truck owing to a loose halyard. A satisfactory position for half-mast would normally be when the top of the flag is one-third of the way down from the peak.

Flags are required to be flown at half-mast till noon on ANZAC Day, then raised to the masthead until sunset. It is appropriate to fly the flags of New Zealand, the United Kingdom and other allied nations alongside the national flag. It is also considered appropriate to wave small Australian flags as marchers in Combined Service Parades pass.

Flying the Flag with other Flags
When flown with the flags of other sovereign nations, all flags should be flown on separate staffs and in equal position, no flag being flown higher than any other and all being the same size if possible. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another in time of peace. The Australian National Flag should, however, be hoisted first and lowered last unless the number of flags permits their being hoisted and lowered simultaneously.





ADG
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sat Feb 08, 2003 5:17 pm

I also respect this flag as whilst not the flag of any nation, represents the indigineous population of Australia and their quest for reconciliation.

 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sun Feb 09, 2003 5:49 am

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On US installations in other countries where both the US and host nation's flag is flown. The host nation's flag will never be displayed higher than the US flag. The host nation's flag will fly at half staff slightly lower than the US flag.

FltMech9


I noticed this in one of the papers during Sept 2001 when i was over in the US and every man and his dog was flying the flag. There were a number of 'offences' and one included draping over a bonnet of a car or something very similar.
I thought it most odd, that two counties flags were allowed to be on the same staff.

Excellent post and for once no bitching!!!

 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sun Feb 09, 2003 7:04 am

"1. How long should flags be flown at half-staff as a sign of national mourning?"

It all depends on the event that caused the half-staff. I think in general 2 to 3 days are ok.

"2. Do other countries observe the same flag etiquette as the United States?"

In Germany it's the same, in an tragic event like the ICE-Train disaster in 1998 the flags flew at half-staff for IIRC 3 days.

 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:23 am

The ST Andrews Flag best in the world and the Union Jack hell yeah cant beat them hell Yeah.
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:48 am

Yikes... You folks are so conscientious about flags! Believe it or not, you'll hardly ever see a German flag fly in some citizens yard. Guess it must be because of our famous special history - my lil' country was, say, a bit over-flagged back then.
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Aloges

Sun Feb 09, 2003 10:17 am

Aloges: Yikes... You folks are so conscientious about flags! Believe it or not, you'll hardly ever see a German flag fly in some citizens yard. Guess it must be because of our famous special history - my lil' country was, say, a bit over-flagged back then.

Indeed...

Funny thing during the past world cup: A few houses along the street, someone hat the bygone GDR´s flag flying...  Big thumbs up
(Darmstadt is not in the east, by the way.)
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sun Feb 09, 2003 10:27 am

St.Andrews
Used to be Russian flag, now it is Russian Navy flag.

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sun Feb 09, 2003 12:12 pm

"2. Do other countries observe the same flag etiquette as the United States?"
Most of the countries do except Saudi Arab… because of 'Kalama' on their flag.

"1. How long should flags be flown at half-staff as a sign of national mourning?"
As Racko said it depends on the event that caused the half-staff. I am told that when founder of Pakistan died, Pakistan flag flown at half-staff for 40 days.
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sun Feb 09, 2003 1:04 pm

In the United States, it is "half mast" when on a ship, and "half staff" when on Land.

Raised smartly going up, and slowly coming down.

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sun Feb 09, 2003 7:28 pm

Kolobokman

Suggest you get your colour balance looked at, you have the flag reversed



Bmi330,

Please it is the Union Flag not the Jack.
It is however flown on the jackstaff of HMS ships since records began,so thats where the misnomer has come from.
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sun Feb 09, 2003 7:48 pm

Of course you can take the rules into your own hands Big grin

Sorry bron, my flagpole - my choice.




Joke!

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Sun Feb 09, 2003 11:12 pm

Silverfox,
Blue diagonals on white field. St. Andrews flag. I have it on the wall in my room.

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Mon Feb 10, 2003 7:13 am

Here in the Netherlands the flag may never be shown between sunset and dawn.
If the flag is flying while the sun is below the horizon it should according to protocol be destroyed (burned and the ashes burried).

Same if the flag touches the ground at any stage during hoisting or lowering.

Same if the flag is damaged.

Flag protocol also describes under what conditions a flag MUST be displayed and for how long if one is available (so if you have a flagpole you MUST fly the flag on certain days).

Representing the House of Orange, the flag is holy and should be treated with respect always.

etc. etc.

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Mon Feb 10, 2003 7:38 pm

In my eyes anyone who flies a non recognised country flag over the recognised one is a traitor!

and Blake, that flag is the skankiest thing i've seen in a long time ... it makes a very strong statement "I want to be the 52nd state!" PAH!





ADG
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Tue Feb 11, 2003 6:37 am

Kolobokman


Sorry matey but it is a White cross (saltire) on a dark blue background

My wife (scottish) is threating to send over trained haggis to put you in your place.

Believe me it is, and Where is Bmi330 when i need him?

Whoever told you that was a scottish flag is 100% incorrect

Try this link
http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/Scotland/saltire.html

You will also see that there is a second Flag of Scotland, which is the Lion Rampart. Red Lion Yellow background. This is also known as the Royal flag.

Post a reply when you have seen it.
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Tue Feb 11, 2003 7:15 am

ADG wrote:

it makes a very strong statement "I want to be the 52nd state!"

Just curious, ADG, why 52nd? Where is the 51st?  Smile
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Tue Feb 11, 2003 10:31 am

PHX, I have no idea how many states you have.....  Smile we'd just be one more and bigger than texass.




ADG
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Tue Feb 11, 2003 11:28 am

A bit of US Flag Trivia. I once was told that the Texas flag is the only state flag that can be flown without an accompaning US flag. Not 100% sure if this is true or not. I heard it on a tour or something.
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Tue Feb 11, 2003 11:35 am

ADG darling, Maybe you'd prefer something a little more.....'you',

src=http://members.lycos.co.uk/caingram/Flags/Union-jack.GIF>


Again a joke. Please let's not get bogged down in another one of these debates. I can laugh at our differing opinions, can you?

Lighten up. Your great sense of humour has been hiding lately.

Your friend,

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:12 pm

Silverfox,

What can I say? Great choice, Scotland!
Russia's Peter the Great traveled to England in 17th century, and I guess he 'designed' the flag upon return.  Big grin The story goes: he was in the church and the colors(white/blue) reflected from the window in form of the cross on the paper he used.
SRC=http://fotw.vexillum.com/images/r/ru~and.gif>



Now tell your wife's trained haggis to back away!

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:06 pm

Blake,

Your picture only depicts 1/4 of the flag ..... where is the rest?

Silly boy, you cannot claim a pretend flag as your own no matter how much you want to.





ADG
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:39 pm

My wife, a native Texan, tells me that the Texas flag is the only flag that can be flown at the same height as the US flag.
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Tue Feb 11, 2003 3:34 pm

ADG,

Republicans love Pauline Hanson!

Bron, you know I have a thing for bogan women. No wonder I like you so much :P lol

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Tue Feb 11, 2003 5:50 pm

She's not bogan, she's a new Aussie like YOU ...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy




ADG
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:00 am

Kolobokman

the haggis has been recalled , and is ,at this very moment being slaughtered in the time honoured way as prescribed by one Robert Burns

The neeps and tatties are on the boil and the feast will commence in one hour.

A noble end to a noble creature.
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:53 am

That not is not a SCOTLAND flag! Our flag is blue background with a white cross let you away with it this time as long as it doesn't happen again!
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:16 am

ADG,

new Aussie?? I had always assumed she was born in your beloved 'straya.

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:43 am

During WWII my mother said that you were required to fly the flag, if you didnt the SS would come and take you away, she said she witnessed an event were her neighbors didnt fly a flag on "tag der fahne" and the block captain or "Block ward" called the SS and they came and arrested them (they were never seen again)
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Wed Feb 12, 2003 11:44 am

Bmi330,

From now on 'Rampant Lion' will be the only flag of Scotland! Please inform your government as soon as possible. Thank you.


SRC=http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/icons/rampflsm.gif>

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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Wed Feb 12, 2003 8:50 pm

Blake,

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.... you know what they say about ASSumptions don't you  Wink/being sarcastic. She wasn't born here ...... she's one of you ...  Wink/being sarcastic




ADG
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Wed Feb 12, 2003 11:29 pm

You don't like the St Andrews flag tut tut LOL. the stores behind the god old St Andrews flag are very good and interesting.
 
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:28 pm

Don't know how it is in other countries, but here in Chile it is an obbligation to raise the flag between September 17th and 19th (Fiestas Patrias, when Chile got its independence from Spain) and for May 21st (when the chilean army kicked Peruvian and bolivian asses... LOL...just a joke).

during the rest of the year it is illegal to fly? the flag. Only the armed forces and public administration buildings can fly it throughout the year.
I hate that law...I would like to have my chilean flag during the whole year at full staff...but law forbids it.


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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Thu Feb 13, 2003 2:56 pm

Dear Lan Fanatic...
I can see your point... you love and respect your country and its flag... Yet when you fly your flag it is a "special opportunity"... not an "everyday event".
xxx
I was born in USA... as a kid, I saw the USA flag here, there and everywhere, and when I go back to USA for visit, it makes me smile to see every GM or FORD dealers (if not Toyota) flying a huge 100 x 60 feet USA banner... Is it also a "car dealer's association banner" or what...? Are GM and Ford dealers some form of US federal institutions...? ... if not, ... McDonald...
xxx
Maybe the way it is done in Chile, would preserve a higher level of respect for national banners... Solamente mi opinion, Che...
xxx
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RE: Flag Etiquette?

Thu Feb 13, 2003 4:08 pm

ADG:
you know what they say about ASSumptions don't you . She wasn't born here ...... she's one of you ...


.......she was born in Bhutan to Bhutanese and Icelandic parents?

In the words of dear pauline, please explain. Where is she from?


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