clipperhawaii
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Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:43 am

In protesting opposition to U.S. foreign policy, the protesters inadvertently align themselves with Saddam Hussein. I wonder if they realize that, or are they not intelligent enough to realize it.

I did not see any "Saddam Out!" signage next to "U.S./Bush No Blood For Oil" signs.

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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:48 am

I wonder if you are intelligent enough to realize that a protest against the war isn't necessarily a vote for Saddam.
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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:51 am

I am indeed. Again...why the no "Out with Saddam" signs? Same issue no?

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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:54 am

Simple..


They arent under Saddam's thumb. They dont know how bad it is. It doesnt effect their lives, so why oust him?

Its all about how self-absorbed people are.
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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:56 am

Huh?

I believe they are marching to protest an unjust and unjustifiable war. So, it follows that they would have signs that say things like "Down with war".

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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:59 am

Ok, so ousting a leader that gases his own people and tortures dissenters isnt OK?

Just like WWII... Appease the dictator. Nothing will happen. All will remain happy. Right?
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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:01 am

Ah, but does it not go deeper than just no war? Why no war? Or, more importantly WHY war?

Issues at hand need to be thought over clearly. And the result...the TOTAL result needs to be realized.

Words and actions have meanings. Taking a stand and that stands interpretation, also needs to be seen. Clearly for some, it has not.

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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:04 am

What does this have to do with your thesis that somehow, anti-war protesters have aligned themselves with Hussein?
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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:08 am

So you think millions around the world are protesting just for the sake of it? This war is reckless and unnecessary, it will probably plunge a region that is already volatile on the egde of collapse. Most importantly, the case for war has simply not been made, no evidence, no proof and no justification. Had this possible war been justified with genuine persusion, people would not be protesting it, obviously this is not the case, simple as that.

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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:09 am

So if the U.N. approves action in the future you would be in favor of it? Total favor?

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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:12 am

If the UN gives the authority that military action is required, then i would be more willing to support it. Multilateralism is vital, not unilateralism.

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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:13 am

"So if the U.N. approves action in the future you would be in favor of it? Total favor?"

Huh? Are you talking to me?

Before you latch on to some other thread of discussion, can you please explain your thesis? It went something like this: protesters are unintelligent because, by protesting against the war, they are supporting Saddam Hussein.

Can you please explain the logic that supports this argument?
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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:14 am

"More willing", but with certain clauses? Seems to me that leaves no end in sight.

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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:17 am

I think a lot of them protesters feel the same way I do, That is they can tell when they are being sold a load of shit... And that's exactly what GW Bush is trying to sell the world and a lot of people aren't buying it. I think the people who support the war want war for the sake of war ...not any other reason.
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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:19 am

Want war for the sake of war? I highly doubt any sane person wants that!
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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:20 am

Okay Clipperhawaii,

This is to document that you simply won't answer my question.

Have a nice evening.

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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:31 am

MBMBOS, I think Clipper has a point, but only because he used the term 'inadvertantly'. I agree with him in that regard. The worldwide protests are giving Saddam more resolve. I think that's what he meant and I believe that is 100% true. Saddam sees the protesters on his side (according to his latest statements) and he'll continue his current path because of this. This will make war almost a certainty as is eliminates a lot of favorable alternatives. However, before you or anyone gets into a tizzy, I will stress, Saddam is wrong and even though I disagree with much of what the protesters are saying, I'd never think they are actually supporting the regime in any way. That is as nuts as saying people that support military action in this case are doing it for the sake of war.  Big grin
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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:37 am

In protesting opposition to U.S. foreign policy, the protesters inadvertently align themselves with Saddam Hussein. I wonder if they realize that, or are they not intelligent enough to realize it.

So what was our excuse when we were not so inadvertantly alligned with Saddam Hussein?

The protesters of this coming war, which may last a week or 30 years, may be many things but I wouldn't rank being sympathetic to Saddam Hussein as one of them.....yet. As long as we're talking 'inadvertants', are we intelligent enough to know that a full frontal US spearheaded assault with many Iraqi civillian deaths will have built for Saddam the part in the play he's always craved but never ever earned....sympathy.

But hey, we've got Rummy Rumsfeld to smooth things over.

 
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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:59 am

So you think millions around the world are protesting just for the sake of it? This war is reckless and unnecessary, it will probably plunge a region that is already volatile on the egde of collapse. Most importantly, the case for war has simply not been made, no evidence, no proof and no justification. Had this possible war been justified with genuine persusion, people would not be protesting it, obviously this is not the case, simple as that.

Have you ever thought if there are millions protesting there are billions not protesting? That the U.S. has more countries with it than against? I personally am against it I want the U.S. out altogether! But since more are for it than against it,using your logic,guess were going to war,simple as that.
 
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RE: Alignment Of Protesters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 11:03 am

Saddam sees the protesters on his side (according to his latest statements) and he'll continue his current path because of this.

Why don't Saddam let his own people protest???

This brings to mind a fellow a.net user showing up at a war protest with a sign that said

"Kill Saddam. Liberate Iraq"

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/328525/

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