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The March To Save Saddam

Mon Feb 17, 2003 11:57 pm

Editorial: The March To Save Saddam
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 17, 2003


Millions of people poured into the streets of cities from Melbourne to New York on Saturday February 15 to protect Saddam Hussein from an imminent American attempt to disarm and dethrone him and disable his arsenal of chemical, biological and proto-nuclear weapons. They professed concern about Iraqi children (bearing mock bodies to symbolize their alarm) but marched in solidarity with Palestinians and Arabs who kill their own children by strapping bombs to them and telling them to blow up other children -- Jew children -- so that they will go to heaven and their families will receive a $25,000 reward.

In politics intentions count for nothing; actions are what matter. If the marchers are successful, Saddam will survive to be stronger than ever. All over the Middle East and the Muslim world fanatical haters of Americans, Christians and Jews will take heart from Saddam's successful defiance, will draw the conclusion that the West is weak, and will be inspired to commit new atrocities against its most defenceless citizens.

All the marches were organized by supporters of Communist and other totalitarianisms, and by the fifth column agents of Islamo-fascism. All the demonstrations promoted Iraqi war propaganda -- myths about starving children and about alleged mercernary interests behind American policy; all of them had one purpose -- to disarm the American force already in the Middle East and allow Saddam to fight another day.

It is true that some of the marchers were well-intentioned or at least not so blind yet that they could look past the evil that is the regime in Iraq. What of it? What could be more irrelevant than splitting critical hairs when your country is under attack and your actions serve the aggressors?

During the Cold War there were many intelligent souls on the left who joined the "peace" demonstrations in the West organized by Communists and their supporters, but described themselves as "anti-anti-Communists." They meant by this that they knew that Communism was bad, but were against the cold warriors who were locked in mortal combat with the Soviet empire. The Gorbachev regime in their eyes was bad, but Ronald Reagan was a "warmonger" and therefore worse.

The anti-anti-Communists may have been good at stimulating critical discussion. A democracy can always benefit from dissenters because no faction has a monopoly on truth. But in practice the decent opponents of Cold War encouraged the Communists to hold onto their slave empire and resist the presures of the free world. In the end it was Ronald Reagan and the Cold Warriors he led who stymied the Communists' ambitions, brought down the Soviet empire and liberated more than a billion people. In the scales of that historic struggle, when it came to mobilizing the military resources that backed the enemy down, the anti-anti-Communists ultimately put their weight on the other side of the scale.

During the Vietnam War -- the clearest parallel to the present events -- the anti-war movement was organized by Communists who wanted the other side to win. The non-Communists who joined their marches, whatever their intentions, served the same practical end. America was divided at home and these divisons evnetually forced its armies to retreat from the field of battle. As a result, the Communists won and proceeded to slaughter two-and-a-half million peasants in Indo-China between 1975 and 1978. This is the scenario that the people (mostly the same people) who are leading Saturday's protests hope to accomplish: the defeat of the West and the triumph of Islamo-fascism and its friends.

Today's "peace" movement -- the innocent-intentioned along with the malevolent rest -- is a fifth column army in our midst working for the other side. Already their leaders have warned that if the United States remains determined to oppose this totalitarian evil and stay its intended course, they will act within our borders to "disrupt the flow of normal life" and sabotage the war. This is ultimately the most ominous threat Americans face. Abroad we can conquer any foe. The real danger lies at home.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6183
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:05 am

Ah, frontpagemag, the house journal of the ignorant, the magazine of the American Taliban.
Specially recommended for trailerparks, with limited family trees.
Hell Galaxy5, what little credibility you may have had, is plummeting faster than a meteorite!
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:13 am

Everyone except the most ignorant among us, and I shall not mention any names here, really believe that all but a handful of the protesters are actually concerned about saving Saddam Hussein. Personally, I don't understand why THIS potential conflict has stirred such emotion world wide, but it has, and it certainly is not out of love for Saddam.

Does that mean that a few of the protesters are there because they don't want Saddam toppled? Probably. But the overwhelming majority simply do not want a war, or have not been convinced, as I have not, that a war is necessary AT THIS TIME agianst Iraq. I believe such a time will come, but I have not been convinced it's needed now.

I guess that makes me an unpatriotic American, eh, Galaxy5?  Big grin
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:16 am

WOW, so many communists around the world and in the USA...fascinating, to quote Mr. Spock, aren't we all a bit communist?
Maybe he's talking about communist quotas, or maybe he tried to pick up a girl yesterday and it was one of those bloody long-haired islamo-fascist-collaborating nearly-communists who got laid instead, and now he's letting out his frustration
...yeah, I guess that's it...
...he crapped and forgot to flush...
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:24 am

Abroad we can conquer any foe. The real danger lies at home.

Great, Dave. Once the 101st is done in Baghdad, you can set em loose in San Fran. My guess is you'd still get a good night's sleep if a thousand dead Americans who happen to be liberal were rotting in the streets of San Fran or Berkeley or Ann Arbor under your guns.

These straw-visioned reactionaries will be unsatisfied until every non-hard right thought or expression is squashed. David Horowitz, like so many in giddy, intoxicating power these days, hates and despises everyone to the left of him, or , at the very least, thinks we're all a bunch of stupid children who's opinions and security is best left to hawkish parents who long ago figured out what was right and wrong. In thinking that, men like David Horowitz have precisely zero use for most of America.

 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:25 am

People went on the march to demonstrate against a war that they think isn't justified, this is their democratic right. But if you haven't got the mental capacity to accept this judgement than that's too bad.
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:33 am

Ah, another great look into the twisted minds of the pea-brained of this planet. A great work of fiction by mr. Horowitz!

Millions of people poured into the streets of cities from Melbourne to New York on Saturday February 15 to protect Saddam Hussein

That's the very instant the "article" lost all its credibility to anyone with half a brain. That's right: in the very first sentence. FrontPageMag has a way of doing that.

Galaxy5, haven't you learned by now that NOTHING published by frontpagemag is considered to be a worthwile source on these forums or anywhere else for that matter? There's a REASON for that, you know...
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:05 am

Again an excellent source of information  Yeah sure What a crap, misinformation or brainwash... make your choice
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:15 am

I can't believe some people actually believe the facist crap put out by Front Page Mag.
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:21 am

What a load of garbage! Galaxy5, what is your deal, anyway? Do you just enjoy posting utter crap to get people all pissed and have them flame you?
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 5:05 am

Didn't need to read past the first paragraph to see what this article is ...

If it were floating in your toilet you'd flush it, it's not worthwhile responding to.





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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:26 am

I respect Mr Horowitz's views, hell he knows the real scoop better than anyone here. His site has already been bookmarked. Way to go David!
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:44 am

Galaxy5 :


Read this: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15199

(For copyright reasons, I can't 'copy-and-past' it here).
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 8:40 am

Well, these protests may not be meant to support Saddamn Hussein, but I think that indirectly they some sort do.
What do all you people against the war in Iraq think that should happen instead?
And when no WMD's are found and thus no interference by the UN, do you okay the fact that Iraq will remain a dictatorship, with Saddamn on power?
I mean, the result of preventing a war against Iraq is unfortunately that Saddamn and his regime will stay in power.
He certainly won't give up power peacefully and talking doesn't help, as after 10 years of talking he's still in power and playing games with the UN.
The positive fact about no war in Iraq is that there won't be killed Iraqi civilians by American / British bombs.
But when these civilians are openly criticizing Saddamn and his regime, they won't live very long neither.
So what do you think that should happen instead?
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 10:23 am

I personally think most of there arguments against war in the long run are pro war arguments. They say there main reason against it is for the Iraqi people to me that sounds a pretty good reason to have the war to get ride of Saddam who rules and controls his country under oppression and fear. So I think for human reasons the Guys have to be sent in to liberate the country and how many more last chances is that SOB going to have before action is taken to liberate and free Iraq of him?
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:41 pm

BMI,

Whilst your reasoning for removing Hussein is good, there is no justification in your reasoning for the US to get involved in internal issues of another country. The reason many people are protesting is because the US government is LYING to the people about the requirement for war. I've yet to see one single iota of proof of this so called *direct threat* that Hussein poses against the US.

Best that can be done is to tie in Iraq with Sep 11, 2001 which realistically cannot be done by anyone who wishes to retain a skeric of credibility.

That's why most people are protesting. Others have their own agendas I guess.



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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:22 pm

This was a test and only a test, If you would notice that the same people on here that disagree with any view that isn’t juxtaposed to theirs will immediately call it “trash”, “garbage”, “crap” or “propaganda” were are the opened minded, the people who take information at face value, they don’t and cant, their main purpose here is to force feed the average person on here with their ideals and theology. Have you noticed how they never really retort information they just call you “Ignorant” or “brainwashed” of course from a different point of view they could also be considered “Ignorant” or “brainwashed”. Now im not here to say that my or any others point of view is right or wrong, it is just my or their point of view. However one side tends to get down right nasty and demeaning to those who have a different take on a specific topic. Now that being said I suppose they are entitled to their feelings, but remember (and you know who you are) so are others on here and you just discredit yourselves by your behavior (or lack there of). SO when you state, “be opened minded and listen,” remember it’s a two way street.
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:25 pm

That article was indeed trash, garbage, crap and propaganda.
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:51 pm

This was only a test ???

You mean it wasn't a genuine attempt by Galaxy5 to have a rational discussion about world affairs ... ?

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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Wed Feb 19, 2003 12:00 am

However one side tends to get down right nasty and demeaning to those who have a different take on a specific topic.

It is a two way street, Galaxy. I've been called every name in the book by the conservatives here. My patriotism, loyalty to America, even my courage, has been brought up in cheap displays of pathetic armchair generalism. And I'll claim no high road, cause I can give as good as I get.

But you've not reached the high road either with this post. My response was to Horowitz, not to you. But if this was some predictable bait to ferret out the indignant, it sounds like you weren't interested in my opinion anyway.
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Wed Feb 19, 2003 1:07 am

Galaxy5, another patriotic source of inspiration : http://www.newsmax.com



very amusing I must say !

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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Wed Feb 19, 2003 1:33 am

OMG, what a piece of trash, that website is.
It's clear where some people get their inspiration from.
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:49 am

Galaxy,

Given the fact that you only need to read the first 2 lines to find a lie, what should people call it?

and I hardly think YOU are in a position to make judgements about the negative behaviour of others....



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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Wed Feb 19, 2003 5:10 am

Galaxy 5,

This was a test and only a test

And I'm the Queen Mum  Yeah sure
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Wed Feb 19, 2003 5:14 am

Hey folks: Galaxy5 did not post his views on this yet, so who are we to judge him without knowledge? How dare any of us accuse him of anything before he pleads his case. I do not automatically believe that this article represents him just because the article is bunk. That doesn't mean he is just because he bothered to bring it in here for us to...ahem...discuss.  Yeah sure

Though, I should point out that the article is entirely one-way and entirely going into a dead-end, eventually. Those who think that way won't see the end cuz they think in short-term.
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Wed Feb 19, 2003 6:14 am

David Horowitz was once a leftist and closely associated with the Black Panthers before he saw what lies both parties were putting forth. It's because he was on the "inside" of that movement that I give his views respect.
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Wed Feb 19, 2003 9:32 am

And? So this prick has gone from one stupid extreme to another?
That really makes him right? No, just as stupid as ever.
Come to think of it, he's not changed much at all, same massive generalizations, same narrow minded, conspiracy theory driven, hate filled bile, written specially for morons.
Simple ideas and views, for simple people.

 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:43 pm

Tsk, tsk GDB name calling just because you don't agree. Come now your above that right?
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Thu Feb 20, 2003 12:40 am

It's too stupid to take seriously, says a whole lot about those who do though.
Cfalk did a very thought provoking thread on the endgame in Iraq, the 'Hawks' on here didn't go near it, cannot be thinking for yourself now can you?
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Thu Feb 20, 2003 3:28 am

Wow sonny, you must think your some sort of moral beacon high above everyone else.
 
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Thu Feb 20, 2003 3:53 am

...It is a two way street, Galaxy. I've been called every name in the book by the conservatives here. My patriotism, loyalty to America, even my courage, has been brought up in cheap displays of pathetic armchair generalism. And I'll claim no high road, cause I can give as good as I get...

And give em hell, heavy.
The pathetic armchair soldiers on these forums, would crawl under their Grandmas skirts if they were ever told to go fight a war. I'd love to see Horowitz and his cheerleaders (who abound on this forum) actually dropped on the frontlines near Basrah, or for that matter get off their butts and attend a "Lets Kiss Bush's hairy behind" rally. This is right wing hypocrisy at its sleaziest worst. From our great Leader to his portly right hand man to all his Texan buddies in the military-industrial complex, I have yet to see one who actually served in the military.
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RE: The March To Save Saddam

Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:33 am

Dc863,

Wow sonny, you must think your some sort of moral beacon high above everyone else.

No, he's just morally high above the writer of this "article", which is hardly a surprise, given the fact that in order to be lower than him morally you'd have to dig a hole.

A deep one.

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