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The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:26 pm

Watching coverage of the anti-war protests is pretty funny.

I think that the anti-war protesters (the people that actually show up to these things) break down to about 7 groups of people:

1) College students who want to go against their parents views, and feel quite rebellious in doing so. These are the same kids who weekend highlights include going to see a shitty local punk group, dying their hair pink, getting their nose pierced, and doing pretty much anything to get their parents attention. They were the kind of kids that got their ass kicked on a bi-weekly basis in high school. Full member of Amnesty International.

2) The communists and socialists. In the US, at least, most of these people have an IQ that rivals a squirrel. They wrongly think that Marxist regimes are all peaceful, and that people like Lenin and Marx are against death and indescriminate killing. You will often find communists and socialists working (and I use that term very loosely) as English teachers and "freelance webmasters."

3) Anarchists. Like the communists and socialists they have the IQ of a squirrel. Anarchists dont seem to grasp the concept that if their was no government, they wouldnt be sucking down that Marlboro, wearing their Birkenstocks (very comfortable sandals, though), and their Che Guevara t-shirt. The infastructure wouldnt exist. The dilusional beliefs of these people are that of a psychopath, the government is out to get them, etc. Most of the time, these people dont have a job, other than trying to find a couch to crash on for the night.

4) The PETA activist, somehow this soul is able to link the Iraq war and the treatment of sheep. Most often these people stick out like a sore thumb, instead of carrying signs like "No War with Iraq!" they carry signs like "Bush abuses animals." Basically, they are just looking for an excuse to protest. You will more than likely find the PETA activist working at a cashier at a short-lived vegetarian restraunt or as a waitress/bartender at a crappy local club.

5) Pot heads. Well, the Republicans are against pot, so were gonna protest against the war. Not so strangely, pot-head tends to live in the worst part of town because he spends most of his money on illegal drugs. Also not so strangely, they tend to have trouble holding down their part time jobs as pizza delivery guys and janitors.

6) The washed up hippy. These are the kind of people that still use the words groovy and radical. The happiest moment of their lives was when they were protesting against the Vietnam War in Washington, when their lifestyle was glorified. However, in recent years they have been deeply saddened by the backlash against the hippy lifestyle, and by showing up at these protests against the War in Iraq they feel as if they can still regain some of the lost magic. Somehow, these people tend to have white-collar well paying jobs, and their biggest expense is paying for their children's illigitimate children due to their lax parenting.

7) Militant African-Americans and Latinos. Its all whitie's fault, all they want to do is send our children into battle and see them killed. A black man is committing war crimes in Zimbabwe is okay, because the whites have kept the black man down their...for Saddam to commit war crimes is a-okay, no blacks or Latinos are being discriminated against in Iraq. These people covet their signed pictures of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, and long for the day when whitie has to pay for slavery through reparations.

Sorry if I left any of you out...feel free to add your descriptions and pictures! Big grin
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:28 pm

I think the real losers, Jcs, are people like you, who think that war is some great tv adventure to watch at home, but who doesn't dare go out and fight himself. Those are the true losers, those who think war is something great, like yourself.

They're hoping people won't die-you're hoping that they do.
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:31 pm

I agree with JCS, and I am a uniformed member of the armed forces. Maybe I'm a true loser?

They're not hoping people won't die - they could care less.
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:47 pm

Here's another group at the protests... Ordinary middle-class people with moderate political views, who rarely attend demonstrations, but think that the war in Iraq is simply a bad idea. Many observers have pointed out that a large percentage of protestors this weekend, both in the US and Europe, came from this group. Makes you think...

No doubt about it; Jcs17's generalizations are just plain wrong in this case.

[Edited 2003-02-18 05:09:02]
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:50 pm

Alpha 1: "They're hoping people won't die-you're hoping that they do."

Right, because you know this like I know the sun will rise tomorrow. Please, give me a break. Where ever has Jcs17 ever said that he wants people to die? That's right, you made that up.

Jcs17: You forgot all about the misguided youth who all they hear about in highschool is how bad Bush is and how bad war is from their crazy hippy-ultra liberal teachers.

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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:54 pm

If there´s one remarkable thing about the current protests, it´s how representative of the general population they are, compared to earlier protests.

Mostly decent, middle-class people.

Which isn´t really surprising at anti-war rates of 60-90% in the polls all over Europe.

[Edited 2003-02-18 04:56:27]
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:56 pm

Very accurate JCS.

Here at the University of Texas last Wednesday some groups tried to organize a "walkout against war". The whole concept seems idiotic since you're paying for the very classes that you're walking out on but that's beside the point for now.

When it came time for "the walkout" about 10% of the class I was in stood up and walked out. Guess what? Every last one of those people either had dreadlocks, multiple body piercings, a tye dyed t-shirt, or just overall looked like they hadn't bathed in a few days. A few of them yelled "no blood for oil" and "war is murder" as they walked out. The professor just paused for a few seconds and continued his lecture after these rastifarians vacated the auditorium.

Overall 3,000 people participated in the demonstration out of 53,000 students, and some of those 3,000 were (sadly enough) facutly members. Of course it's no big secret that most college campuses have more than their share of socialists.

On the bright side, there were some counter-protestors with signs that took a hard line on saddam and both sides got coverage in the local press. In addition, a pretty small percentage of the campus actually showed up considering EVERYONE knew about this well in advance. Hopefully we can get all this garbage over with soon so I don't have to hear hippies yelling in my face about subjects my dog is more knowledgeable about.
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:02 pm

so much for love and peace...that they beat and punched a horse belonging to the NYPD mounted unit--like the horse was making judgements  Yeah sure
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:09 pm

Hey! Don't diss on the punk scene! We might not be liked very much, but don't dye our hair pink have no political views whatsoever, pierce our bodies and go to stupid punk shows. We are just like anyone else, if you compare me to another *normal* person, you would not be able to tell the difference since most of the people in the punk scene don't have mohawks dyed hair and piercings, in fact, most of the ones that do, follow a trend to *look cool and bad*. And also most of us aren't Anarchists...

Sometimes people amaze me with such stupidity.
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:10 pm

What I don't understand is what other option is there? Saddam isn't going away by himself. The anti-war protesters have good intentions, no one wants war, but good intentions mean nothing without any other solutions. How many more UN resolutions is Saddam going to disobey? How much longer does Saddam get to play his hide and seek game with inspectors?

Are we supposed to sit on the sidelines and wait for something big to happen in the middle east? We have to do something....soon.

 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:10 pm

I don't know about Europe, but the attendees of the Anti-American rallies in the U.S. were not representative of our population in any way shape or form. Not to say that there were no housewives or middle-aged, middle-management types there, just they were not there in strong numbers.

The rallies were organized (in most large cities) by the American Worker's Party (Communist) and several Anti-Globalization outfits. Most of the attendees were as JCS described them... Anarchists, communists, the willfully disenfranchised and basically the completely clueless.

I was actually looking forward to hearing some cogent anti-war reasoning from the protest organizers... Maybe something that would convince me to evaluate my own stance on the issues (that's a healthy thing- You should do it often). All I got was the usual Anti-American, "it's all about oil", "don't hurt the children", and "Bush sucks" garbage. I am very disappointed.
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:13 pm

Jsc17; can you please explain to me in detailed terms, how I as a socialist, have less IQ than you?

This oughtta be good for a laugh!!!
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:18 pm

Once again Alpha1 swallows his foot and leg. While he might support the United States in somethings, when it comes to politics, Alpha, Nutsy, and Smallfly are all just clones of one another. Its the same old tired liberal rhetoric with a bit of different window dressing.
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:19 pm

The real losers weren't even at the protests...if we want to use "losers" in the sense of "those who are going to be screwed, yet again." Thanks to the "leaders" of places like France and Germany (and don't forget trusty little Belgium), and the sentiment from these "protesters" they feed off of (representative, my ass....just any left wing nut with a bone to pick or a joint to smoke runing around outside on a weekend), the people of Iraq get to live under Sadam's boot heel for that much longer. As Bob Dole once said, "WHERE IS THE RAGE?" Why aren't the Amnesty International types marching the streets with anti-Saddam signs instead of Bush caricatures? Where have these people been the past 12 years while Sadam starves his country, while stealing most of the international aid to fund his own regime, his military, his terror ties and his family's lavish lifestyle? The plain fact is, the Iraqi people aren't a trendy cause in the coffee houses, so they really don't care...it is more trendy to be anti-Bush, even if that means giving people like Saddam a free pass, and siding with such humanitarians as Vladmir Putin and the People's Republic *cough* of China. And don't give me all that bullshit about the tens of thousands of Iraqis Bush wants to kill....the only Iraqi civilians that will be killed are those that Uncle Sadam straps to his missle batteries, couting on the fact that the West, specifically the US, has a concern for human life and may think twice before taking away his toys before he gets to use them against the people of Israel...give or take a few Palestinians who would also be killed. We could just explain that away by calling them martyrs....The cost in American lives (and British and Australian) will most likely come from this same concern for Iraqi civilians. One of the top priorities is safeguarding civilians and infrastructure. The toll that will be taken on Iraqi civilians will be from where it has always been from...Saddam and his goons. So, I guess until the Iraqi people are suddenly hunted down for their pelts to make coats, the lefties will continue as they are.


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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:31 pm

Cwapilot...

A damn good post. I could not have expressed my own frustration any better. A spot on my respected user list for you!

The ultra liberal left will not have any legitimacy with me (or any thinking individual) until they apply there anger against those nations and organizations who are really responsible for the suffering in this world. In all of the press coverage of the protests (or at the protest I stupidly walked past today) I did not see one sign that said "Remember the victims of 9/11!" or "Saddam is Evil". Nope, to protest against true evil would not serve the overall political agenda of such groups; the American Worker's Party and Amnesty International have no say in Iraq.

Hope you all had fun at the march and make sure you keep those blisters on your heels clean. Just try to remember that the absence of war is not the same as peace.
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:40 pm

Well done, JCS. Also, thank you KAUS for your comments.

I’m surprised some of the UT Professors did not walk out themselves.

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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:44 pm

If these protesters really cared about the real issue which is Saddam, they would have held signs up high that said "Saddam Out" or "Free Iraq" or "Save Iraqi People, Death to Saddam". But NO we did not see any of this. What we saw was Bush bad Bush bad Bush bad. Like some sort of liberal mantra. Saddam is the issue plain and simple.

Most Americans (smart ones that is) see what these protests were really aimed at. America, Bush and any other person that they can spew their mis-guided hatred.

They wasted their time. Intelligent people saw thru this canard.

Hopefully you did too.
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:46 pm

Right JCS. Me, an average kid who grew up in an upper-middle class suburb outside of Boston. The child of centrists who allowed me to choose my own political avenue. An average student never holding any firm political views. Someone who never took part in any sort of major demonstration.

Personally, I don't smoke pot, I listen to Céline Dion and Kylie Minogue, I'm not an ageing hippy, nor a hippy at all, and I'm not black or Hispanic. But I guess because I support, cheap healthcare to every American, I guess I must be a communist.  Insane

Please! Why don't you enter into the real world for a while.

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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:52 pm

Instead of CHEAP healthcare to every American (because, as you get used to the real world, you will find that...cheap...you get what you pay for), how about SOME...ANY AT ALL...food, and peace and security for the Iraqi people? Was that on your protest sign, or were you there more out of your spite for Bush and his health care policies (which, by the way, ensure every American the same type of insurance coverage members of Congress voted themselves)...among other things?

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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:53 pm

Cwapilot wrote:

"Thanks to the "leaders" of places like France and Germany (and don't forget trusty little Belgium), and the sentiment from these "protesters" they feed off of (representative, my ass....just any left wing nut with a bone to pick or a joint to smoke runing around outside on a weekend),"

Again, this is just plain wrong. Most observers have remarked how these demonstrations, particularly the ones in Europe (but many US ones as well), were very representative of the general population -- with attendance by ordinary, moderate, educated, middle-class people (and, yes, the usual nutty radicals as well, but that doesn't change anything).

"Where have these people been the past 12 years while Sadam starves his country, while stealing most of the international aid to fund his own regime, his military, his terror ties and his family's lavish lifestyle?"

Well, we all know that Saddam Hussein is an evil dictator; no sane person would deny that. Many people, however, don't think that a war is a good idea right now. Those who oppose the war don't oppose it because they like Saddam; they oppose it, for the most part, because of the possible consequences -- political, humanitarian, and military -- this conflict may cause.

[Edited 2003-02-18 06:59:35]
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:00 pm

so much for love and peace...that they beat and punched a horse belonging to the NYPD mounted unit--like the horse was making judgements


Are you shittin me? Did that really happen? IF so, they are friggin hypocrits!
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:04 pm

PHX-LJU
-That's the spin they're putting on it, that's for sure. It's a load of crap...are you telling me that potential humanitarian concerns override the humanitarian disaster that is occuring as we speak....the one which will end only when Saddam is gone? What political consequences? France will develop a yet deeper inferiority complex? Military consequences? A brutal madman will not be at the helm of one of the largest military forces in one of the most volatile regions of the world? These people are not thinking beyond their own noses here. It's all nice to announce that you were at a peace protest and blah blah blah....why not consider the consequences of allowing Saddam to keep going as he is going, with ineffective inspections once every 12 years when an American President with resolve is actually in office? As a high school punk, I was all gung-ho about Gulf War I...I even had one of those shirts with a cartoon of Saddam's mobile scud missle launcher (a camel with a missle in its mouth, and its nuts on a stump, about to be pummelled by an Iraqi with a hammer)....I woke up to reality when I saw, first hand, with some of the Iraqi refugees who settled here in Iowa, the brutality of this dictator. That is why the international pissing contest initiated by the likes of France and Germany really frustrates me. They, and a large portion of these protestors, are hiding behind the plight of the Iraqi people in order to further their own political agendas. I only see the leaders of the US, the UK and Australia sticking their necks out to help their cause.
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:20 pm

$5 million in police overtime for these thugs...I mean, middle class moderates *cough*. How many meals could $5 million provide for starving children? How many textbooks could it provide to schools, right there in New York, that face budget cuts? How many scholarships for minority youths could a $5 million endowment provide, year after year? How many DFS caseworkers, pulling abused children out of their abusive homes, would it put back to work? And they bitch about not being fed and watered after doing everything they possibly could to get the left wing nut badge of honor...a protest arrest?! Sheesh........
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:23 pm

Cwapilot wrote:

"are you telling me that potential humanitarian concerns override the humanitarian disaster that is occuring as we speak....the one which will end only when Saddam is gone?"

Just because Iraq has caused major humanitarian disasters doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about one; why risk the lives of US troops and Iraqi civilians right now if a war doesn't have to be imminent? I'm no pacifist; in fact, I supported the war against terror in Afganistan (direct self-defense) and the air war in Serbia/Kosovo (prevention of genocide, limited conflict with limited aims, weaker opponent who was actively destablizing a large part of Europe, less possibility of disastrous consequences...), but I don't think that we should go to war with Iraq now, for the reasons I've outlined.

"What political consequences?"

1.) Potential instability in the Middle East as our "allies" such as Saudi Arabia get destabilized by Muslim extremists angered by the West's military involvement in the region. 2.) An increase in terrorism by those same individuals and groups. 3.) A possible fragmentation of Iraq (could happen with its minority populations).

"Military consequences?"

1.) A potentially drawn-out war with massive casualties among US troops and Iraqi civilians. 2.) Possibly years of expensive peacekeeping in a fragmented Iraq.

Let's hope that these things don't happen, but I'm not convinced that they are that unlikely.

"why not consider the consequences of allowing Saddam to keep going as he is going, with ineffective inspections once every 12 years when an American President with resolve is actually in office"

But, then again, if we have been able to contain him for 12 years, why the rush to war now?
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:24 pm

Was that on your protest sign, or were you there more out of your spite for Bush and his health care policies

Actually, I had to work last weekend, however some of my other level-minded friends were planning on going. Oh, but they're quirky Europeans (French even  Wow!), so their opinions wouldn't count  Insane

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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:26 pm

"$5 million in police overtime for these thugs...I mean, middle class moderates *cough*. How many meals could $5 million provide for starving children?"

So you are basically saying: Let's abolish democracy -- like the right to protest -- and spend the money on other causes instead, right? Just think of the billions we'd save if we got rid of the Bill of Rights... Yeah sure Give me a break.

[Edited 2003-02-18 07:28:43]
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:32 pm

Since when did the right to protest peacefully involve having to have the entire police force on alert? Well, you know the answer to that......
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:33 pm

And beating a poor horse? Tsk tsk!
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:36 pm

DUring any protest, the police are always on guard.
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:38 pm

"But, then again, if we have been able to contain him for 12 years, why the rush to war now?"
--So, as long as the brutality and oppression doesn't spread............

"1.) Potential instability in the Middle East as our "allies" such as Saudi Arabia get destabilized by Muslim extremists angered by the West's military involvement in the region. 2.) An increase in terrorism by those same individuals and groups."
--Let's retract from the world to appease the Muslim extremists. Do you actually think they will stop if the US suddenly withdrew from the Middle East? Instead, we should contain it, give it a place to fester and grow, and build even nastier weapons...Hmmm....if we give them Poland, I'm sure they'd stop......

"2.) Possibly years of expensive peacekeeping in a fragmented Iraq."
--A good opportunity for Europe to pay its fair share.

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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:40 pm

Since when did the right to protest peacefully involve having to have the entire police force on alert? Well, you know the answer to that......

Well, most large demonstrations, including perfectly peaceful ones, require a large police presence, even if it's just as a precaution. When you've got big crowds, accidents can happen, some more voiolent elements can go crazy, counter-demonstators could attack the protestors, etc.

Sure, this police presence is expensive, but it is a price we pay for free speech and our right to protest. IMHO, it's money well spent. Remember, someday you may find yourself in a peaceful demonstration with the police keeping order.
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:47 pm

In response to...

"2.) Possibly years of expensive peacekeeping in a fragmented Iraq."

...Cwapilot wrote:

"--A good opportunity for Europe to pay its fair share."


But why should we ask our European allies to do the dirty work? If Iraq does become fragmented and destablized as a result of this controversial war (which would represent a failure, IMHO), should we just say "we're done" and let Europe spend billions on nationbuilding? This certainly won't make Europeans any more supportive of the war than they are now (the vast majority of Europeans is against it).

[Edited 2003-02-18 07:50:44]
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:50 pm

Since when is peacekeeping "dirty work?"
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:53 pm

"Since when is peacekeeping "dirty work?"

I referred to "years of expensive peacekeeping in a fragmented Iraq." If that's not dirty work, I don't know what is.

[Edited 2003-02-18 07:53:47]
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 4:02 pm

In response to:

"But, then again, if we have been able to contain him for 12 years, why the rush to war now?"

...Cwapilot wrote:

"So, as long as the brutality and oppression doesn't spread............"


But some other countries are just as opressive, or even more (North Korea comes to mind), yet we aren't planning a war against them. We are containig them, just as we can contain Iraq.

[Edited 2003-02-18 08:03:51]
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 4:53 pm

Up to 2 million marched in London last Saturday, like it or not, they did not fall into the rather simplistic categories mentioned, a tiny minority maybe.
You had former members of the armed forces, people from all backgrounds, all political opinion (even some conservatives), many who would have supported the action in the Gulf in 1991, Kosovo and Afghanistan.
And there was no trouble, not a bit.
Not pro-Saddam, most not even anti-US, but anti-Bush? Absolutely.
A terrible political problem for Tony Blair, if he was stupid enough to label them all in the way they have been here, you'd hear he contemptuous laughter across the Atlantic.
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 4:59 pm

One hundred thousand Frenchmen can't be wrong.
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 6:46 pm

Jcs17,

You really are a poor representative of your country? Everyone in a democracy is entitled to their opinions whether they be misguided or not.

You have won the most Arrogant and Ignorant American of the year award with you continued comments.

AIA

Grow up and see the world for the multifaceted place that it is.

You don't have to agree but respect the reasons why people have their views. No-one with a sensible head on their shoulders wants war, but if necessary it has to happen.

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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:52 pm

I agree with JCS, and I am a uniformed member of the armed forces. Maybe I'm a true loser?

I had always hoped the 58,000 members of the armed forces whose name sit in polished black stone on a gash in the ground in Washington DC would have made the ultimate sacrifice at the very least as an eternal reminder to their country about the sadness and peril of entering combat with the entire American family not on board with the concept. The older I get the more I realize this is folly.

Fine. Bring it on. We gotta learn the hard way again, I guess. Hell Iraq might even be a cake walk. North Korea too. But at some point we'll get a little too clever for our bravdo, and all the spoon fed Young Republican robots in the world won't be able to out bitch the din of misery that follows.


 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 10:38 pm

Once again Alpha1 swallows his foot and leg. While he might support the United States in somethings, when it comes to politics, Alpha, Nutsy, and Smallfly are all just clones of one another. Its the same old tired liberal rhetoric with a bit of different window dressing.

And the best you can do is that, B757300? Again, I'm certainly not liberal. I'm very centrist, although, to you, 757, that's practically treasonous. Unlike you, I think a little on issues of politics, and don't pucker my lips and say "Seig Heil" everytime the GOP opens it's mouth. That's the difference between you and me-you swallow the right-wing propoganda without question. I don't.

I support Bush generally on the war on terror. I have not been convinced on the need for war in Iraq. And I oppose most of his domestic agenda.
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 10:47 pm

They wrongly think that Marxist regimes are all peaceful, and that people like Lenin and Marx are against death and indescriminate killing  Nuts

I guess that shows your IQ level JCS. Please explain what means "to be against death". I don't know if I should take it as a kind of joke, but even then it would be more than stupid ... I'm really impressed.
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:01 pm

May I start another thread called "The Losers At The Pro-war Protests" and include this category?

Ignorant war-mongering childs who have no idea what war is, what war is about and why a war should be initiated or not. Their IQ equals a squirrel. Though, they like to humiliate other people by categorizing them in over-simplistic and short-sighted groups. Of course they don't expect themselves to be categorized in their own group by other people.

You see, Jcs, it works both ways. Some time ago you informed all of us here that you attended a pro-war protest. Today you humiliate 10 million people who marched worldwide against war AND against Saddam. Of course you are free to express your opinion. Of course we are free to have a word on you too.

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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:57 pm

'Today you humiliate 10 million people who marched worldwide against war and against Saddam'

No he didn't, who cares what this teletubie thinks. Atleast he is a good laugh!

BTW, Ovelix and Alpha 1, Nice categories you added, quiet a few people frequenting this forum could find shelter under your categories,
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Wed Feb 19, 2003 12:03 am

OK JCS17 time to fess up, this is a joke right ?

Just trying to goad people into predictable responses right ?

...... .......

No ! You're serious ? Wow !

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Please indicate what "University" you attend and what department you are in so none of us waste our own money on that dump. One hint to get laid a little more and be a little less bitter is to keep your blind hatreds to yourself and that way others may actually tolerate your presence for more than the 3 minutes they currently do ... worked for me.
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Wed Feb 19, 2003 2:28 am

LH423 writes:
I listen to Céline Dion and Kylie Minogue

No comment.

But I guess because I support, cheap healthcare to every American, I guess I must be a communist.

Huh? Congratulations? I mean I'm talking about the war in Iraq here, not a socialist health care system. Go to Canada and see how well a government run health system works.

Aviatisiya writes:
can you please explain to me in detailed terms, how I as a socialist, have less IQ than you?

You believe in a form of government that will never work (nor should it). Name a purely socialist government that has been successful (don't name France, Germany, Sweden, etc. because they have capitalist elements).

Mx5_boy writes:
You really are a poor representative of your country? Everyone in a democracy is entitled to their opinions whether they be misguided or not.

You have won the most Arrogant and Ignorant American of the year award with you continued comment


Great...you are piss poor representitive of your country too, with your blatant hatred of anything American. Youre bitching about Subway was truly pathetic.

But about my award...when do I get it? Is it some kind of trophy, a medal would be really nice. E-mail me and you can have my mailing address.

PacificJourney writes:
Please indicate what "University" you attend and what department you are in so none of us waste our own money on that dump. One hint to get laid a little more and be a little less bitter is to keep your blind hatreds to yourself and that way others may actually tolerate your presence for more than the 3 minutes they currently do ... worked for me.

Bitter? Hahaha. I feel sorry for you.
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Wed Feb 19, 2003 2:51 am

I can't speak for other cities, but in the London march there were over 1 million people from all races and religions, men, women, children, old, young. Ex soldiers, milkmans, students, politicians, pensioners, black people, white people, muslims, jews and christians. All displaying their opposition to a war they do not agree with.
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:27 am

You want to know a BIG reason why saddam felt like he could invade Kuwait in 1991? He was watching CNN just like everyone else and saw the thousands of protestors saying "no war with iraq". I hope you people are glad that you're giving Saddam more confidence to do whatever he damn well pleases. So maybe, in a sick little twist of irony the anti-war protestors were actually responsible for gulf war I. Take a bite of that and chew on it for a while.
 
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:38 am

Quote:
Name a purely socialist government that has been successful (don't name France, Germany, Sweden, etc. because they have capitalist elements).

One word of comment on that: Braindead!

Guys, don't take this serious, it's not really, so don't try to argue!! Hand the guy a comforter and tell his dad to lock away the PC!!
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RE: The Losers At The Anti-war Protests

Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:39 am

You want to know a BIG reason why saddam felt like he could invade Kuwait in 1991? He was watching CNN just like everyone else and saw the thousands of protestors saying "no war with iraq".

Wha...?

With respect, KAUS, Saddam's occupation with Iraq took pretty much everyone by surprise at the time. I was working a news desk, I remember. In the span of about three days, his military buildup in southern Iraq went from a minor story to an outright invasion. Even the Bush (I) Administration was caught off guard.

So how could any protests happen on CNN or anywhere else?

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