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Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:44 am

Jesica Santillan was the Mexican girl who received the wrong heart and lungs in a transplant last week. Then, to fix the horrible mistake, she received a new heart and new lungs. The new organs were accepted by the little girl and that part of her body was doing fine...however, she died today because of swelling in her brain that led her to be brain dead. She was taken off her respirator at 1:25p.m. in L.A.

I understand that the parents of this girl are devastated...but when asked if they would like her organs to be donated, the parents said no.

I find this surprising. Do they not realize that there would be any number of other people, just like their daughter, in need of these organs?

I think it's one little thing that makes this story even sadder then it has to be.

I find it odd that they're willing to accept organs, but unwilling to give them away.
 
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:26 am

Doctors declared Jesica Santillan brain dead at 1:25 p.m. She was taken off life-support machines about 5 p.m at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina.

According to Duke University Medical Center spokesman Richard Puff, The Santillan family declined to donate any organs from Jesica's body.


Yahoo link to AP News story:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=514&ncid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20030222/ap_on_he_me/transplant_error_123

May Jessica's soul rest in peace.

What an appalling decision from her family regarding her organs. I have ZERO respect for them. Here is my message to them: "You need to pack your shit up and go back where you came from. You are not welcome back my country"

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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:27 am

"You need to pack your shit up and go back where you came from. You are not welcome back my country"

This seems to be a common solution when "lesser Americans" are concerned.
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:27 am

My girlfriend works in a hosptial, she said the WHOLE hosptial will be under investigation. She said it is unheard of, for someone to get the wrong blood type organs. She thinks someone may have messed with the computers and change the blood type. But they are in some serious trouble.
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:30 am

The doctors responsible for this should have criminal negligence charges brought against them.

Anyway, to answer your question:

Why SHOULD they?

They are probably too bereaved to want to see their daughter piecemealed like that, and are probably feeling veangeful and vindictive (if my daughter died, then so is yours)

Considering the circumstances of their daughters death, I don't blame them.
 
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:53 am

I don't blame the parents either, they are understandably pissed off at doctors. Why would they want to helo anyone else
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:59 am

I think that it is so wrong that the Santillians dont donate Jesica's organs, after going through 2 sets of lungs and hearts, they cant find the decency to help others out. What, does it only work one way? I dont care if they feel vindicative or something like that, they still should have a level of decency.
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:00 am

What, does it only work one way? I dont care if they feel vindicative or something like that, they still should have a level of decency.

I suppose you know the emotions a grieving parent goes through?
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:15 am

"You need to pack your shit up and go back where you came from. You are not welcome back my country"

This seems to be a common solution when "lesser Americans" are concerned.


I rarely issue statements like that. Never have I said such things to the THOUSANDS of illegal inhabitants in my home city of Houston.

I stand by my original statement toward Jessica's family. They should TRY to save someone else – give the gift of life.

May Jessica’s sole rest in peace.

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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:16 am

I stand by my original statement toward Jessica's family. They should TRY to save someone else – give the gift of life.

They should? Why should they?
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:18 am

The medical community and various philanthropic ORGANizations in this country tried to provide her with the gift of life. A grave mistake was made with a heartbreaking outcome.

Jessica's parents should to reciprocate and TRY to save someone else.
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:20 am

Uh...didn't the medical community make a grevious error that caused the death of their daughter? Why should they reciprocate?
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:29 am

Uh...didn't the medical community make a grevious error that caused the death of their daughter?

Correct, they did.

If Jessica’s family donated her organs, they be reciprocating by potentially saving one or more lives. They are not reciprocating toward the medical community – but toward human kind.
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:32 am

Oh I'm sure the poor grieving couple are really thinking about human kind right now. Their daughter has died. The daughter died due to the gross incompetence of the people who were supposed to save her. The people who were supposed to give her new life. Can't you see how the parents might feel a little anger towards those people?

I'm a donor card holder, but how can you honestly talk about kicking someone OUT OF THE COUNTRY for not calving up their dead daughter?!
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:45 am

They are not supposed to be here in the first place! Jessica was smuggled into the United States from Guadalajara, Mexico.

If it were my decision – sure, I would allow her special admittance for medical needs.

My initial reaction – I was disgusted by her parent’s decision.

Anger from her parents toward the system? Yes, definitely! Grieving? Hell yea! Thankfully it’s a grieving I cannot even fathom.

I still hold my opinion – Disgust because they refuse to donate her organs – I somewhat understand – they are going through lot of shit.

Maybe they will change their mind (I don’t plan on changing mine).

You, 77236ER, put up a good fight/good argument. Thank you for keeping it civil (sans you ‘lesser American’ comment. BTW – I’m Canadian, too). I am going to go now – I need to check out the Hooters 737.

Respectfully –

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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:48 am

It is too late to change their mind. Organs can only last so long after blood has been stopped to them, and the window is very small.
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 3:45 pm

I smell some kind of lawsuit...malpractice, negligence, wrongful death...something along those lines probably...

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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 8:38 am

I thought I heard she was an illegal immigrant. If she was, how the hell did she get on the donor list?
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:37 am

777236ER and Matt D, I agree with you 100%.

When I read this a few moments ago, I was in agreement much with the original poster, thinking how the F#$% could they do that.

Then thought of what that family went through, and well, who am I to fault them?

Regardless of how some of you THINK you would react, the truth is that NONE of you are in their shoes, so grow up and qwitkerbitchen.

I doubt most of you guys on this thread (who think they should donate)are parents, hence your standpoint.

777236ER, BTW, love your profile  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 3:43 pm

There is a good reason for them not allowing the new organs to be "dominoed" (the medical slang for taking newly transplanted organs and retransplanting them)

The Santillans want to have an autopsy done, and to have a proper autopsy those organs need to be in place to rule out failure/disease within the new organs.

This is a terrible case involving numerous mistakes, breaches of code and ethics (as far as I am concerned) and a terrible outcome.

Aside from the fact that the DUMC physicians ended life support without the permission of the family (they wanted a second opinion from an outside doctor before life support was removed)... The Santillans have a right to be distressed.

I think Duke University Hospital is in for a major lawsuit.

May Jesica rest in peace.

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PS As for those of you who think Jesica and her family should have stayed in Mexico -- if you were in the same situation wouldn't you do everything you could to get your daughter the best treatment available? I don't know about the practice of transplants in Mexico, but U.S. medical care is far superior in general. The risk they took to get their daughter here, even though it was illegal, seemed worth it until she was given incompatible organs. And those of you who think she got "someone else's organs" think again-- so many organs don't match, or are found to have some sort of defect that makes them untransplantable, or otherwise go unused in transplant, that it's unlikely she got "someone else's organs" either of the two times. Not only blood type and tissue type but size and donor cause of death are factors in whether an organ is transplantable, regardless of need and urgency.
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:34 pm

For those of you who are saying that they are making the wrong decision by not offering to donate their daughter's organs, put yourself in the parents shoes for a second. You just lived through over two weeks of trauma with your daughter. She died at the hands of negligent daughters. And now you're being harrassed because you're not giving up your daughter's organs? I dont think I can even begin to imagine the emotional distress they're going through right now.

I dont think anybody should be forced to donate organs. I dont think there is any side that is morally stronger. If you donate organs, good for you. If you dont, you have every right to that at well, to not want your loved one cut apart when they're dead. Donating organs is a wonderful charity of course, but not donating organs is fine too.

How many of you on your drivers license have the little organ donor sticker? I know I dont, because my parents dont want that if I were to die. And when I die, they will have control over me or my "body" because I wont be an entity any longer.
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:03 am

From the Jesica's Hope Chest website http://www.4jhc.org/:

About the Santillan family's decision not to donate Jesica's organs.

We have received several scathing e-mails from people who are concerned that the family refused to donate Jesica's organs. We want to make sure that there is an understanding of what has occurred. Jesica's mother had asked about donating Jesica's new heart and lungs, she thought it would be a shame for them to go to waste, and about donating Jesica's other organs. The doctors told the Santillans and Mr. Mahoney that the heart and lungs would not be serviceable for a re-transplant and that the kidneys and liver were ruined from being on life support for too lengthy a time and the other organs and tissues were so saturated with medications and anti-rejection drugs that they also would not be serviceable for donation. By the time that the doctors got around to telling the family that they may be able to use the corneas of Jesica's eyes (and that was all that would have been useable) the family had been put through the worst ordeal a family could face and a very tired and emotionally worn out mother took the advice of her legal counsel to leave Jesica as is, for the pending autopsy.

Please understand that the Santillan family and us here at JHC believe in the importance of donation. We are all extremely grateful to the two families who gave the most precious gift to Jesica to try to extend her life. The donation of the corneas, as we understand it, would not make a life saving impact for anyone.

Please consider becoming a donor and make sure to tell your family of your decision.

---snip---

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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:36 am

I really can't give an opinion regarding the Santillan's decision............I have never had a daughter in need of a transplant, go in to coma because of wrong type of organs, go thru another operation to repair the damage......and then finally die.

I think only those who have gone thru this ordeal can give an oppinion on this issue.

FlyingTexan..............you have lost all the respect I had for your opinions on this site.

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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 12:27 pm

Well if we read and believe the article quoted by Redngold then there are a few of you who owe the family an apology, are you big enough?





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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 5:10 am

OK.......who is going to apologize first?

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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 6:20 am

This whole episode stinks to high heaven.

Her family bribed another Mexican who was an expert at smuggling illegals into the USA.

Meanwhile, American veterans who need organs die every day while waiting.
 
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 6:53 am

(Shakes head at Toner's post) She was a child Toner. She was maybe 12-15 years old.
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RE: Why Would The Santillan's Do This?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:32 pm

Meanwhile, American veterans who need organs die every day while waiting.

Because Americans (well...only the white ones) are better than anyone else, right Toner?
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