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Greek Marbles In The British Museum

Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:04 pm

For those who don't know the story:
Marbles from the Parthenon, on Athens Acropolis, the 2,500-year-old sculptures depicting religious and mythological scenes have been held at the British Museum since 1816, when lord Elgin detached them with saws and chisels and sold them to the British Museum

As a Greek, I find outrageous the arrogant stance of Mr. Neil MacGregor, director of the British Museum.

He said:
"The Parthenon can never be reconstructed so let's try and put together what's left of it virtually."

The whole story

Whether the marbles shound be returned or not is debatable. I think that they should be returned. What are your opinions?

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RE: Greek Marbles In The British Museum

Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:27 pm

On one side, I would say they have to be returned. But if it is to re-install them on the Pathenon, then I would say no.
The reason is that there are well protected in the museum. In Athens, they would suffer from the pollution and could be definitively lost within 40 to 50 years.
What could be a good idea is that the Brittish government offers to Greece a replica installed on the Parthenon (a little bit like the replica of the Lascaux prehistoric cave).
Another option is that the Brittish museum keeps a replica and transfers the original in a museum in Athens .
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RE: Greek Marbles In The British Museum

Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:39 pm

If the marbles are returned then how about all museums in the world returning things that didn't originate in their country.

It is a sad fact that a lot of countries have sold their artifacts to other countries. At least those museums that have bought them will (in general) take more care of them than the original owners.

RE: Greek Marbles In The British Museum

Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:49 pm

I don't mean to offend anyone here, but my honest opinion with respect to this matter is : who the F*ck cares?

They are just some lumps of rock for god's sake, does it really matter? If the Greek public would like them back, hell just give it back to them, what's the problem?

Jeeze, with all the other crap going on around the world, and we're having these stupid arguments....

I'm not on anyone's side here. Live and let live, y'know.
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RE: Greek Marbles In The British Museum

Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:52 pm

I personally think that the dubious manner in which they were originally acquired means that they should be returned if the Greeks want them so much. I have seen the marbles and they are nothing special to me whereas to many Greeks they are representative of something more. In this context, maybe the marbles should go home.
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RE: Greek Marbles In The British Museum

Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:57 pm


The Marbles (if returned) will be displayed in the new Acropolis Museum along with other exhibits and artifacts of the ancient era. It's the perfect environment for them.

We believe that the Parthenon Marbles are inseparable part of the large monument and they should complement the permanent display in Athens. It's not our fault that someone detached them with saws and stole them while we were under Ottoman occupation, and then sold them to his government.

Saintsman, as for the museums' exhibits in general, by that we don't mean that EVERY museum should return their exhibits to the original owners. Greece hasn't filed any claims for Aphrodite of Melos (Venus de Milo) which is in Paris. It's a statue, not less valuable to us but it doesn't fall to our opinion of "inseparable" parts of a larger monument (the Parthenon).

Capt. Picard, the cause of my post was Mr.MacGregor's interview in Sunday Telegraph. And, contrary to what others may believe, it is a serious issue.
Jeeze, with all the other crap going on around the world, and we're having these stupid arguments....
War was always an enemy to the civilization.

The new museum has already a large hall reserved for the Parthenon Marbles (as we call them instead of "Elgin" from the man who stole them). If the Marbles are not returned the hall will remain empty, only with a plaque indicating what this place was supposed to display.


RE: Greek Marbles In The British Museum

Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:51 am

Kostas, if you take this thing seriously - well that's fine. I guess I'm too laid back to get excited about these things.

And I wouldn't worry too much about the Daily Telegraph - I think part of its attraction is its provocative, up-front attitude to the issues of the day. Fine, some people don't like it (and I admit it can get a little boring sometimes), but that's the thing about British newspapers - they have attitude. Some pple like that, others don't. I'm sure you have an idea of what the typical conservative, English gentleman's attitude to some things are - well, the Telegraph kind of likes to represent those sorts of views! I find such pple rather amusing, and part of the attraction of living here in Britain.

On the one side you have the totally pro-European, European-thinking and European-acting Brits, on the other, you have those which regard all other European countries with some degree of suspicion and long for the days when Britain's voice was the most influential, we own the world, bla bla bla....and plenty of pple in the middle. That's another thing which makes Britain such an interesting, and amusing country to live in. If only we had Greek weather....

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