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Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:00 am

All you fellow Canadians or curious Americans, post your views on the separation of Alberta. Personally, I think it will be great. We (Alberta) could easily survive on our resources! It would also be cool to start a revolution!  Smile
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:59 am

I view Klein (Ralph, not Kevin) as an enemy of Canada. This idiot is trying to promote the separation of Alberta based on what he considered unfair treatment of Alberta by Ottawa.

All this so he can appease the big oil companies he keeps in his back pocket. He has no problem putting oil revenues above national economy issues, the environment or health.

He needs to go and the population of Alberta needs to wake up and realize it.
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:01 am

You have to protect your own.

Alberta has been treated as a bank by the eastern liberal government in Canada to fund it's failed nationalized programs.

I think Alberta is starting to wake up to this and we are seeing it by these separtist groups forming.

As a voter registered with AIP I hope them the best.
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:05 am

Oh please, Ralph is the best to ever happen to this province! Manitoba might even be in a somewhat similar situation if they hadn't gotten rid of Gary Filmon (Good Gary) for that socialist Gary Doer (Bad Gary).

I don't agree with separation one bit, and I don't think that's what Ralph is going for. In talking to him you can clearly understand that, but the headline "Ralph doesn't want to separate" makes for pretty boring headlines and thus the media won't print it.

We do get a raw deal from the federal government, so do most provinces save Ontario and Quebec. We're just stepping up to complain about it. This is no different than the Premiers Council for Health where all Provincial and Territorial leaders have gotten together to keep the pressure on the federal government to live up to their end of the bargain on health care.

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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:06 am

your views on the separation of Alberta

Laughable at best. Look at what talks and acts of separation did to Quebec. Just silly banter from foolish people.
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:08 am

Well, Alberta is definitely doing very well economically. Was this always the case? In a country, there are obviously weaker states/provinces and it's only fair that some sort of equalization takes place. I'm not supporting everything the Liberals do, they have many faults, but any prudent federal government, no matter where they hail from, should see it that way too. Otherwise, the rest of Canada should stop supporting the eastern provinces and their poor economies. Same thing for the north, let's stop sending money up there too. But in reality, this is a country and as a unified political entity, money will and should be transferred from richer areas to other areas. There should be reason in this of course, and it should not be meant as an equalization process. But that hasn't been the case.

Alberta has done very well in Canada, but can Albertans assure that they would do well as Alberta only? How much trade is done between Alberta and other provinces? Alberta doesn't have a provincial tax, which speaks volumes about their strong economy.

These are just some thoughts from the top of my head, as I haven't really researched this topic much, but I look forward to seeing other replies from better informed a.net users on this matter.
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:51 am

Alberta should seperate from Canada-to rid them being attached to the feckless, arrogant and "idiotic" Quebecois.
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:58 am

Well, Alberta is definitely doing very well economically. Was this always the case?

Yes. The reason is oil. Oil is the overwhelming and underlying reason for Alberta's economic good fortune. That's why Ralph fears Kyoto. And Alberta has done that (for better or worse) as a province of Canada. Why are they afraid to share the good fortune? Someday soon, maybe Manitoba will be the "have" province with our abundant natural resources, algriculture, fresh water and hydro-electric power. Should we just shut Alberta out then?

Alberta should seperate from Canada-to rid them being attached to the feckless, arrogant and "idiotic" Quebecois.

Hmm....I don't remember any large ethnic group in Alberta who crossed the Atlantic and contributed as significantly to the birth of our Nation as the French.

Although I certainly don't agree with the seperatist movement in Quebec, I think they at least have a much more sound basis to be upset with the rest of Canada then Alberta does.




 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:58 am

Ralph is a fantastic leader. He speaks his mind, which invariably represents the thoughts of his constituents. Alberta has the worst deal in Confederation....every year billions of $ flow out of the province. This has been the case for decades. Realistically, they would join the US rather than separate.

I view Klein (Ralph, not Kevin) as an enemy of Canada.

I view the never-ending impoverished have-not provinces (such as Manitoba where I used to live as a kid) as the enemies of Canada, constantly supported financially by hard working Alberta and Ontario (and soon Saskatchewan which will likely join the have ranks by 2005).

it must be wonderful to live comfortably in an economically challenged city such as Winnipeg whining about Alberta & Ontario, when they pay your bills.


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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:17 am

Hmm....I don't remember any large ethnic group in Alberta who crossed the Atlantic and contributed as significantly to the birth of our Nation as the French.

Are we talking about the same province that sucks subsidies out of the Canadian government these days? The same province that relies on Alberta and Ontario for sustinance? You can go back to the 16-1700s and claim the French had the biggest influence in the formation of Canada, but after the 1800s western colonization was basically done by any group other than the French. The only difference between the Alberta and Quebec sepratist movement is that the Alberta sepratist movement has a much better chance to succeed.
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:19 am

I think Ralph is a great leader and stands up for Albertan's and that is what a leader is to do. Alberta won't separate and I certainly hope they don't because they are a nice province and Canada really benefits from them.
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:35 am

I agree Dash8King.....Ralph is just politicking.

You can't blame Alberta for being angry though.

There are growing movements in both Alberta & Ontario to have equalization payments to the 8 poor provinces (such as Manitoba) cut off. This would force those provinces to sink or swim (as AB and ON currently do) for provincial revenues & expenditures.


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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:32 am

It does make more sense that Klein is really trying to cut or diminish the transfer payments, and of course you can't blame him. But from a federal point of view, it only makes sense for some provinces to effectively support others. There is of course a limit that should be recognized, otherwise as Neil suggests, they'll just merrily continue to survive on the transfer payments.

In Europe where of cousre you have a whole bunch of different countries, under the European Union the established countries basically transfer cash to the new joining countries to help them reach higher standards, which should in effect help Europe as a whole. Infrastructures are improved in the poor countries, and the economy is effectively boosted from a low level to a higher level. Canada is a country and as such should act like one too. Times change, and it's possible that in some decades Alberta isn't as well as it is now. Maybe our dependence on oil will decline sometime into the future. What else does Alberta have to offer?
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 6:24 am

I see that all of a sudden Alberta is carrying the rest of the nation's lazy bums.....

I guess Alberta has never enjoyed transfer payments or federal money of any kind. I guess the fur trade that originated in provinces like Manitoba, which were the basis and foundation of the country don't matter any more.

I guess Winnipeg, which was bigger than Edmonton and Calgary together (which were dusty little crap piles before the oil patch) and it's industrial, agricultural, textile, finance and aerospace industries that predated much of Alberta's own attempts don't matter either.

Some of us in the "have nots" have been exploited pretty good to support among other things, technology to extract oil from the tar sands, and support national parks that bring millions to Alberta every year.

Manitoba has been picked apart by the federal government by such things as relocating Air Canada's headquarters, and denying aerospace contracts in favour of other "have" provinces.

Well all I can say is with your attitude don't look for any tears from Manitoba when the demand for your expensive oil drys up, and all of your farms die off because you depleted the water table by pumping all your fresh water into the ground.

We'll just hang out here with our "easy oil", methanol produced from grain, abundant fresh water and hydro-electric power.

Remember, progress along with luck and success are usually cyclical in nature. You just may find yourself a "have not" some time relatively soon.....So go ahead and separate. It's not like having Alberta as part of Canada makes the gas prices any lower.

 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 6:26 am

The problem is that poor provinces start to depend on the equalization payments and they have no incentive to restructure. For instance, something like 52% of NF's provincial budget is funded by transfer payments, while in ON and AB its zero. I don't see why my tax dollars should support inefficient govt services in NF.

Otherwise, I generally agree with you Nuno (in principal, theoretically).  Big grin

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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 6:51 am

Ah ha. My deja vu radar picks up the usual "subsidy junkies" and "you are enemies of democracy" arguments which get applied to the Scottish Nationalists here in Scotland, by those seeking furtherance of the UK as an outdated form of nation state. Equally, there is the same "we've got all the oil" stuff back. What a coincidence.

I know sod all about the Alberta Independence party, but if things go the same way as they are going in Scotland, then you can expect to be independent in the next ten years.

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ps I Luv Calgary, Banff and the Jasper National Park. Never been to Edmonton. Hinton ROCKS!!

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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:29 am

Scotty, the only thing to see in Edmonton is the Mall.  Sad Can't even see the damned Rockies from there!!!  Big grin
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:41 am

Hmm....I don't remember any large ethnic group in Alberta who crossed the Atlantic and contributed as significantly to the birth of our Nation as the French.

Thats something to be very proud of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol. I would tear that part out of the history books and replace it with "Aliens put us here".
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 8:36 am

"Hmm....I don't remember any large ethnic group in Alberta who crossed the Atlantic and contributed as significantly to the birth of our Nation as the French."

That was in the past (PS in the US maybe since the days of Lafayette). Today you poor Canadians are smoothered by that...

 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 8:53 am

Ok, here's a newsflash for the doofus from Manitoba who is looking forward to kicking back with his easy oil, natural resources, etc.

You can't develop any of those industries with a backwards, anti-business, proud-to-be-socialist government like the one led by Manitoba Premier Gary Doer.

Lets take a look at which provinces might be prospering soon:
BRITISH COLUMBIA: Under Gordon Campbell (for all his faults), the province is starting to slowly rebuild from the economic ruin left in the wake of the NDP.

SASKATCHEWAN: Oh look at that... another NDP government on the way out. The Saskatchewan Party, when they win the next election, will preside over a remarkable economic turnaround with their "Plan to Grow Saskatchewan".

QUEBEC: The next election is going to bring some very exciting new economic ideas from both the Quebec Liberal Party and the Action Democratique. Quebec hasn't been doing so well under the left-leaning (quelle surprise) Parti Quebecois.

NEWFOUNDLAND: Hey look at that... left-leaning Liberals packin up and makin way for the soon-to-be-elected Conservative Premier Danny Williams. That'll make for all 4 Atlantic provinces with conservative governments. Watch for them to form strong economic ties and to start fighting for their rights for offshore oil and gas that so right belongs to them and not Ottawa.

There seems to be a trend in economic prosperity... GET RID OF THE LEFT WING GOVERNMENTS. Such a shame that Manitobans will soon become the laughing stock of the country as the lone bastion of socialism in government.

All we need to do now is get rid of Chretien and his tax-evading nemesis Paul Martin...
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:16 am

YDX, you make interesting points, and let's hope the future in Canada is as positive as you are about the prospects. If it's as you see it, then the issues of transfer payments and some provinces supporting others may in fact be diminished into the future.
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:35 am

Nice to see national unity's gone right out the window
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:10 am

Hey at least this thread isn't as bad as the typical "YUL topic" So far this thread is a lot more civil  Smile

I have to say that Alberta is doing a lot to try and diversify its economy, just look to Southern Alberta where in the Pincher Creek area giant wind farms continue to spring up. Although we are still very dependant on oil and gas revenues we are at least making steps to diversify.
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:15 am

So Alberta wants to separate because it is a net contributor to other Canadian provinces? In a federation (whether formal such as the US or informal such as the EU), I've never seen an instance where money is spread evenly, and every area receives as much as they put in. Money goes where it is needed. Do you think California receives what it puts into the US coffers? Not really. Does West Virginia get more than it puts in? Quite likely (especially given the budget appropriations process). I'm not seeing any secession talk in the US, though.

But I have to ask: What happens if crude oil goes back down to $10/barrel, and agriculture goes into the shitter (as it does seemingly with regularity), and Alberta needs some assistance? Who do you turn to if you are independent?
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:50 am

747-451 wrote:

"Alberta should seperate from Canada-to rid them being attached to the feckless, arrogant and "idiotic" Quebecois."


How are they all that? Because they are proud of their heritage and are determined to preserve it?

Quebec, with its unique culture, is an asset to the entire North American continent. It's amazing how stupid some people's prejudices are...
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:03 am

Well the government goes too far in preserving the "French culture" to the point of oppressing it upon others, and harming the province. However, its no reason to condemn the province and everyone in it.

Change will happen.
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:23 am

Money goes where it is needed. Do you think California receives what it puts into the US coffers? Not really. Does West Virginia get more than it puts in? Quite likely

Fair analogy, but the discrepancies are far more extreme in Canada. Each Albertan is significantly taxed simply for equalization payments for other provinces. It has been going on for a generation & shows no sign of stopping.

I think the separation camp is filled with the stereotypical rednecks with zero tolerance for ethnic diversity,

Alberta is far more ethnically diverse than Manitoba, and thus more tolerant. "stereotypical rednecks with zero tolerance for ethnic diversity" are far more likely to be found in YWG than YYC.
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:54 am

VonRichtofen has it bang on... Agriculture is our #1 export, not oil as everybody seems to believe

I drove through Alberta last summer. I've never seen so many dry lakebeds, diseased starving cattle and drought ridden locust infested farms.

Some think that the oil industry is taking too much water out of the environment. They admitedly use more water than all of the municipalities including Calgary and Edmonton combined. I wonder if those stats that support your idea that agriculture is such a big money maker in Alberta aren't a tad old.

Alberta is far more ethnically diverse than Manitoba, and thus more tolerant. "stereotypical rednecks with zero tolerance for ethnic diversity" are far more likely to be found in YWG than YYC.

That's proof that you've never been to Manitoba. You should get out more....

 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:02 pm

You're out of your mind, right?  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:15 pm

Airplay I was born in YWG and most of my family is still there. I visit almost every year and I'm sorry but Yyz717 is right.

Just because you saw some drought ridden farms AT THE TIME you drove through here doesn't mean the stats are wrong. And no those stats aren't old, from 2001 if I recall correctly.

I'll tell you what I see when in YWG.

A large portion of the population with the socialist/union "babysit me" attitude. Manitoba has a lot of natural resources yet continues to be a have not province. Alberta also has natural resources and is booming. Tells you something about the different mind sets doesn't it? We have a strong entrepeneurial attitude and confidence here. We get our shit done. That's the first thing my parents noticed when they moved here.

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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:17 pm

Ralph Klein is one of the few leaders that remembers that it is the tax payers that employ him through out his whole term and doesn't just remember it when it is election time.
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:30 pm

That's proof that you've never been to Manitoba. You should get out more....

Like VonRichtofen, I lived in YWG as a little kid and still visit YWG. YWG is by no means nearly as ethnically diverse as YYC & YEG. Perhaps you should get out more Airplay.........

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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:44 pm

I like to present facts to back up my statements they are contested. If you don't beleive me, ask StatsCan. I can't post the huge links because they won't work here, but go to the "Ethnocultural Portrait of Canada" section of http://www.statscan.ca and compare Calgary with Winnipeg.

If you consider that Winnipeg has about 60% of the population of Calgary, I think you'll find that our ethnic blend is much more prominent than Calgary's.

I truly don't know what neighborhoods you people hang out in when you visit Winnipeg, but it's not difficult to see the cultural diversity.

Among other things, we have a fairly large First Nations, French and Philipino community in Winnipeg when compared to Calgary. We also have welcomed a a fairly large wave of Asian immigrants over the last 20 years.

Maybe if you're in Winnipeg in August consider taking in our anual multiculturism festival we call Folkorama. http://www.folklorama.ca

Now back to the topic of Alberta. What I do see alot of there are cowboy hats. Not a bad thing just an observation.

Alberta also has natural resources and is booming.

Yes. Oil. And the price of oil is high right now. Alberta likes world war in the middle east and domestic unrest in South America. Hates tree hugging environmentalists. Much of what Manitoba produces in the way of agriculture and natural resources are experiencing low prices. It's not Alberta's fault, but I hardly think it's just Ralph Klein's policies that are responsible for the "boom".

Here's some more facts:

Alberta agri-food industries contributed 3.7 per cent of the province's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in 2001, with 2.3 per cent coming from primary agriculture and 1.4 per cent from food and beverage manufacturing industries producing $8 billion in primary products

Manitoba's farm cash receipts were estimated at $3.69 billion in 2001, an increase of 16.2 percent from $3.17 billion in 2000. Agriculture's direct contribution to the GDP was 5.1 in 2001, up from 3.4 percent in both 1999 and 2000

Not bad for a "have not babies" with less than half the population.

So what's the difference? I think I've said it already. Oil. Oil that is too expensive to produce if oil prices are too low. I bet you Albertans just love George Bush...


 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:45 pm

Hey airplay,
Being a son of a alberta rancher, i have a question for ya...
What did these sick cattle look like from the highway, the same as healty ones? i sure as hell couldnt tell a sick cattle from the highway going 100kph. And wow alberta had a 5% increase in GRASSHOPPERS last year. You should at least know your shit before you start cussing out other people.
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:01 pm

Wjv04

I actually visited a farm while I was there. Many farmers were hurredly selling cattle because they were starving. Many had the tell-tale emancipated look to them.

One farmer up the road was being charged for inhumane treatment for allowing his cattle to get so bad that he was forced to shoot them right there. He couldn't afford the feed.

5% increase in grasshoppers? Wow. Are you sure you live in Alberta because I couldn't take a step through a field without having about 100 hoppers jump up. So you're saying in other years it would have only been 95?

If you want to know how the conditions in Alberta really were in 2002 check out this link:

http://www.gov.ab.ca/acn/200302/13961.html

Then get back to me when you learn some shit yourself....
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:50 pm

Maybe this is a stupid question -- but by what measure is agriculture the number one industry in Alberta? Oil and natural gas (particularly natural gas) pump billions into the treasury every year. Take away oil and gas, and there's no Calgary and only half an Edmonton. Wheat prices are in the dumpster, there's a two-year drought underway, and there aren't that many cows in the province.

Can someone educate me on this?
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:50 pm

Quebec's economy is coming back up....

No, it's not. It has higher than average unemployment, lower than average PCI, growing equalization payment/support from ON/AB, a budget deficit, growing debt. It is one of the poorest jurisdictions in North America.

This Canadian welcomes all American input on Canadian issues. I also take issue with a teenage Canadian boy calling the American President a loser.


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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:58 pm

"Alberta likes world war in the middle east and domestic unrest in South America."

"I bet you Albertans just love George Bush..."

Another typical jealous response.

Some Albertans may like GW, some may not, what's your point?

But we DO NOT like war in the middle east and unrest in South America. What a ridiculous statement.

It's people with your attitude that brew up seperatist movements in Alberta. Saying we're just a bunch of dumb rednecks (rednecks with $50,000 trucks) and we don't care about the environment blah blah blah but then you demand we share the wealth? Let's not forget Alberta pays Manitoba equalization payments, so you should keep your mouth shut. And for the sake of Manitoba you'd better hope we continue to do well.

Much of Alberta's money may come from Oil and Gas, but NOT ALL. We do a lot of manufacturing and construction, as well as a growing high tech sector. Many companies are moving here because of the lower business taxes etc. So this creates more diverse economy. Even when oil prices were low in the mid 90's we were still doing good.

Why do you think so many people from other provinces are moving here? Because of the oil? LOL
The fact that proffesionals from all sectors from many provinces are moving to Alberta proves our strong economy isn't just about oil.

"Not bad for a "have not babies" with less than half the population."

Ok, so what's the problem? Why are you still a have not province?

Did it ever occur to you that the tendancy for many in your province to just sit there and whine about Albertas and Ontarios success and demanding they share the wealth might be the reason Manitoba continues to be a have not province? Maybe they should stop the equalization payments and force the have nots to take some action.

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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:03 pm

Quebec led the country in Job creation for the last 3 years.. Quebec now falls within the unemployment/welfare of the Canadian average. For the record, Toronto's welfare rate is now over Montreal's. Where once it trailed, Montreal/Quebec sticks within the norms of vacancy rate, construction, while maintaining a lower CPI and cost of living than most Canadian urban centres.

Many of the best and bright in this country and educated/trained in Quebec, a society that has 6 universities, 4 of which are distinguished internationally. Many of the people that have made their mark in this country are, and will continue to be Quebeckers.

Montreal in particular continues to be an international city. Montreal is home to many of the UN's divisions (Unesco, Icao) and hosts other international organizations such as the IATA and the olympic anti-dopping section....

American friends are encouraged to post opinions. But when calls Quebecois's stupid because he or she may not relate to their particular situation is not something fair of stating.

Neil, your the typical he's a middle-income, right wing conservative...hwho votes for the alliance.. give me a break, you dream of sleeping in the same bed with Dubya, enjoying in all the activities of right-wing greedy ignorant money loving fools.

As best put by many Quebecker federalists, the real separatists in Canada are the English Canadian people, who make a point of not making quebec feel welcome (and not making Quebec feel welcome is bash the unique culture/and folk which they represent).


 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:42 pm

I am a money-loving fool but I think Dubya is a moron. I wouldn't even want to share my bed with his drug addict daughters.
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:45 pm

How they hell does a thread about Alberta seperating from Canada revert to Bush bashing? Just can't get America out of your head or something?
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:47 pm

Haha, that is funny how does a thread about Beautiful Alberta end up in Bush bashing? Guess we just can't over the question of how the hell could you people vote for this guy?
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 8:45 pm

As best put by many Quebecker federalists, the real separatists in Canada are the English Canadian people, who make a point of not making quebec feel welcome (and not making Quebec feel welcome is bash the unique culture/and folk which they represent).

Quebec is treated no differently than any other province. The only separatists are indeed in Quebec who have had 2 referendums and continue to elect a separatist government. This is not happening in English Canada.

Montreal in particular continues to be an international city. Montreal is home to many of the UN's divisions (Unesco, Icao) and hosts other international organizations such as the IATA and the olympic anti-dopping section....

This is due to Federal govt intervention to favour job creation in Quebec. Similar to the Air Canada Act.....Air Canada is a private company but MUST be based in Quebec.





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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:41 pm

I am a money-loving fool but I think Dubya is a moron. I wouldn't even want to share my bed with his drug addict daughters.

Yeah, theyre about to sleep with a 13-15 year old that still hasnt hit puberty.  Yeah sure

Haha, that is funny how does a thread about Beautiful Alberta end up in Bush bashing? Guess we just can't over the question of how the hell could you people vote for this guy?

Guess I just cant get over the question of how Canadians could elect a far-left, America-hating PM, that has single-handedly destroyed the value of the Canadian Dollar.
America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:30 pm

Jcs17 If you didn't hit puberty until after 15 then I feel sorry you. How about you show your age and respond without using age as a defense.
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:32 pm

At least our PM knows that Africa is not a Country and that Nigeria is not a continent.
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:26 am

yes its all a conspiracy....

The IATA and ICAO are based in Montreal because the federal govt is breathing down their backs.... good job Neil..

Care to make any more predictions?

1.) wrong about Montreal's economy

2.) Wrong about Lufthansa

3.) Wrong about United

4.) Wrong about Montreal's aviation prospects

5.) Wrong about WestJet

6.) Wrong that Toronto is a nicer place to live than Montreal

7.) wrong with everything that you say, and involves your twisted bias

Mark
 
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RE: Alberta Separation

Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:07 am

And the rivalry continues!

Mark, I must admit that the separatists are in Quebec, and not in the rest of Canada. I think the true problem with Quebec vis-a-vis the rest of Canada is that the rest of Canada feels Quebec is like a Hoover sucking away at the country's bank account. The rest of Canada probably agrees that Quebec is distinct, but I also feel that every province is distinct, for their own ways. The Atlantic region is completely different than Quebec, Ontario, the Prairies, BC, and the north. All areas are distinct and should be recognized as such, however no area should profit from this either. Now, I'm not really disagreeing with your position either, I love Montreal and Quebec, but I'm also trying to understant what the root of the problem really is. Ideas of separation, wheter in Quebec or in Alberta are foolish in my opinion, and in the long-term, there is probably more to lose than to gain.

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RE: Alberta Separation

Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:09 am

As someone who lives in the US and is considering moving to Canada to escape the arrogant policies of the Bush government, I implore Alberta and Quebec to stop thinking separation and realizing they are part of the greatest nation on earth.
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RE: Alberta Separation

Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:45 am

As a Quebecker, who lives in Quebec, and deals with Francophone people on a daily basis.

I can assure you, that half the battle/half the insecurity is caused by the unwillingness of English Canadians to view Quebec as distinct.


Quebec is more distinct than any other provinces, state in North America. Quebec is the only province/state that is majority Francophone...

Was Meech to much for you to accept? It was you that shot down a unity process...

*oh I cnat wait to hear what Neil has to say*

Mark


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