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New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:44 pm

http://msnbc.com/news/877972.asp



NEW / KNEW), USA - Louisiana">NEW YORK, Feb. 26 — A complex of angular buildings and a 1,776-foot spire designed by architect Daniel Libeskind was chosen as the plan for the World Trade Center site on Wednesday. Libeskind’s design beat the THINK team’s “World Cultural Center” plan, which envisioned two 1,665-foot latticework towers straddling the footprints of the original towers.

The new building is planned to be taller than the trade center towers, which briefly stood as the world’s tallest at 1,350 feet.

THE NEW / KNEW), USA - Louisiana">NEW BUILDING is planned to be taller than the trade center towers, which briefly stood as the world’s tallest at 1,350 feet. Libeskind’s tower also would surpass Malaysia’s 1,483-foot Petronas Twin Towers, the tallest buildings in the world.
The choice was made by a committee with representatives of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the governor and the mayor. The committee met briefly on Wednesday afternoon and decided on the plan that was favored by Gov. George Pataki and Mayor Michael Bloomberg, according to a source close to the process.
JUICE: News was a surprise
LMDC Chairman John Whitehead telephoned Libeskind with the news, the source said, telling the architect that his “vision has brought hope and inspiration to a city still recovering from a terrible tragedy.”
Libeskind told the chairman that being selected is “a life-changing experience,” the source said.
NINE PROPOSALS TO ONE
Nine proposals for redeveloping the trade center site, where nearly 2,800 people died Sept. 11, 2001, were unveiled Dec. 18. The design competition was launched after an initial set of plans, released in July, was derided as boring and overstuffed with office space.
Redevelopment officials were scheduled to announce the decision publicly Thursday.
After the two plans were chosen as finalists earlier this month, both teams of architects were asked to revise their designs to make them more easily realized.
Libeskind, whose original design called for a memorial at the trade center foundation 70-feet below ground, reportedly changed that to 30 feet, allowing for infrastructure and transportation underneath.
The LMDC was created by Pataki and former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani after Sept. 11 to oversee the rebuilding of the trade center site and downtown Manhattan. The Port Authority owns the site.


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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:47 pm

heard it first from A.net!!! Big grin

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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:48 pm

I like it. I liked the other one better with the "ghostly" images of the former WTC but this one serves both purposes (memorial + space) very well.


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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:53 pm

Taller Then Original

Uglier too, this thing is horrid.
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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:59 pm

While I think it sucks, it could be worse.

111 story Twin Towers!
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:05 pm

Jeez, this sucks! Doesn't anyone thing that the design for those buildings come from The Hancock Building in Chicago???
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Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:27 pm

the final design passes my taste test. It really is the best one out of all of the big ones forwarded...and i guess many of the families were hoping for this design because it really treats the 'bathtub' pit with reverence.

Its important to remember this is really just a starting point, a prototype. The final product may look very noticable different.
 
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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:23 pm

Does the spire have any purpose other than to exist? Will it hold offices?
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Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:27 pm

I hope it's allowed to make grim humour ...

// !!!!! Attention ----> Grim humour on, don't look if you're sensible !!!!!!! ///

The soon to come A380 will take care of the new building Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin

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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:30 pm

Nuts, one of the requirements for the design was to replace the television and radio transmitters that where on top of the WTC towers. They need the height to get their signal out.

There was a proposal initially to relocate them to the old Coast Guard base in the harbor (governors Island???) but it was nixed because the Federal Communications commission stated that the antennas had to be within three miles of the original transmitter site to prevent interference to other broadcasters.
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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:43 pm

I see, thanks for the info.
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Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:46 pm

Looks like a scene from Planet of the Apes. Why do they have to build something that looks like a scrapyard?

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Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:00 am

Shit! They´re building the ruin!!!
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 4:48 am

Minority opinion: I think it looks fantastic.
The original towers were notable only because the two existed side-by-side...the buildings themselves were quite ugly...certainly not landmark architecture by todays standards.

 
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 4:54 am

It looks ok. I don't think it would be that "clear" though. Probably like that just for demonstration purposes.

I heard on the radio earlier that the shape of the tower would not cast a shadow on September 11. (Or something like that--it sounds kinda weird, but that's what I thought I heard)

Well, have fun all.  Smile
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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Fri Feb 28, 2003 4:58 am

I second what Klaus said:
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 4:59 am

Compared to two boring sticks, it's quite good.
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 5:16 am

Those "two sticks", as you so eloquently call them stood for everything America was all about:

Strength
Unity
Free Enterprise
Wealth

So by saying you didn't like them....what you are really saying is that you don't like the USA either.

There are no words that I can use to convey my dismay and disdain at this project.

Hate is not a word I use lightly.

But the fact that they went with this decision is something that I hate. I abhor it. I spit, shit, fart, and flip the bird on the "final" design.

If that's the way they want to do it, then I hope that they NEVER do complete it. I would rather see that whole 16 areas sitting as the World Trade Pit collecting weeds and dust-and the whole economy of Lower Manhattan go right down the Hudson than see anything other than the original Twins rebuilt.

Poor ol' Minouro must be spinning in his grave.

But who gives a shit? He's dead. And he had his time in the spotlight. Let's give a "new generation" architect some glory, right?




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[Edited 2003-02-27 21:25:06]
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 5:17 am

However much romance you associate with the twin towers now, they WERE pretty boring, you've got to admit!
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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Fri Feb 28, 2003 5:23 am

they WERE pretty boring, you've got to admit!

Only if you're thin skinned and soft bellied, and as I already said, opposed to the US.

Their sheer magnitude by far overcame any "bordom" in their design.

Did you ever actually see them in person?

Well I did. Many times. I stood next to them. I walked on top of the obs deck. It was an awe inspiring, almost religious experience to see what Mankind was capable of achieving. Not to mention, like I said, everything they stood for.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 5:27 am

Ok ok don't get your knickers in a twist  Sad

I was only saying...  Crying  Crying  Crying

You're mean
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:09 am

I miss the twin towers. They were simple, and that simplicity made them beautiful, in my eyes.

The Daniel Liebskind design is... ugly. That spire has NO purpose other than to hold "gardens, all the way to the top". Its pointless. Without the spire its just another block of ho-hum boring office buildings... Just like the rest of New York. The Twin Towers were functional. From 10 floors underground all the way up to 110 stories above ground. We need something that restores the skyline, and I dont think some pointless spire does the job.

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Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:14 am

I wouldn't say it's pointless. I mean all spire have points on top  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:16 am

Matt - I sure hope you were being Ironic!

To be honest, I prefer the old towers simply because they were sensible, whilst their downfall could have come straight from a movie, their entire existence couldn't have come out of a movie (like the new towers will be).

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I also think that, these buildings are just another set of office blocks, the tower has no purpose except to be big, therefore it is useless and a waste of money..

The new WTC won't stand out for being incredible, or huge or whatever, they will stand out because they have that giant thing next to them....
 
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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:17 am

Matt D provided us with a perfect example of the typical American circle-jerk that is so prevalent on these forums. It's disgusting.

Matt, buddy, they were buildings. You know, sometimes a cake is just a cake.
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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:50 pm

Thanks WN. Matt, if the WTC was so symbolic of America, why was it a Japanese design? As much as we like to glorify them now that they're gone, did anyone really give two shits while they were standing? Sure, they were amazing to look at, and the view was incredible, and the sheer size does make one feel very small, but if the events on 11 September had never happened, it's quite possible that those building would remain just two very tall towers in Lower Manhattan...just a bit more recognizable and everyone knew their name.

Personally, I think this raises the debate again about whether spires and antennae count. The agrument raised is that the useless spires on the Petronas Towers are counted in the final height assessment whereas the antennae on the Sears Tower (which are part of the structure of the building and not just bolted to the roof are not. So, the theory is, that if the spires on the Petronas Towers are counted, why not the antennae on the Sears Tower? And if one is to count the antennae, then the Sears Tower is still the worlds tallest building. So...can one really say this building the the worlds tallest?

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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:59 pm

I personaly think they're frieking ugly..they should build something similar to the original 2..that spire is a disgrace.

just my $0.02
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2003 3:35 pm

I love this design; it's futuristic, yet elegant and graceful.

I also like the global symbolism here; the architect, Daniel Libeskind, is a Polish Jew who became an American, studied in Israel, and now works in Germany. He is a perfect example of how international America is -- both in its heritage and outlook.

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Fri Feb 28, 2003 4:42 pm

The Libeskind Design is not that bad, I hope it will not become weaker in the process. This is now not more than a proposal for the overall design of the site, the buildings are not decided. The renderings and model's of the buildings suggest that this is a definite design for what will be constructed, but this is not the case. The renderings are not more than examples of what could be built within this site plan scheme. It is completely open to the future how the buildings will actually look like.
I fear that the actual designs for the buildings could turn out as a far weaker one than the renderings suggest. It could end in four boring 800ft building blocks as well. And that would be a weak design in combination with the site layout that is chosen now. Let us hope that the design of the buildings will be that strong as Libeskind suggests in his renderings.

Some things I want to say about the original WTC.
Many people say that the design was boring, and the buildings where just tall.
In my opinion this was not the case.
I truly loved the buildings. The where very classical examples for minimalist's architecture in tradition of the international style. The international style has class, there are some weak examples around, but also many great buildings. I always liked the architecture of Gropius and Mies van der Rohe very much, and their buildings where fantastic. Think of the Seagram Building. The simple prismatic forms are great, the remind the viewer of a crystal and other nature forms. A reduced form has its advantages (I prefer a classic Doric temple over a Corinthian one as well). If the proportions are good, there is nothing better than a monolithic structure. It has style. Of course every detail has to fit in the concept. You have to see the structure of the building. You have to get a sense of how the building works when you just look at it. And the materials used in the building should be of an "honest" and yet classy look.
The World Trade Center had everything I expect from a classic piece of international style architecture. The towers had fantastic proportions. The relation between width and height where great. The way the two towers stood beside each other was very well designed. The towers where not just sitting side by side, they where oriented in way that light and shadow increased their appearance. Form and used materials where a design masterpiece in my opinion. Have you ever seen how the color changed during sunset? How the elegant construction reflected the sunlight, setting a golden vertical accent? The WTC was a design masterpiece, Yamasaki did a fantastic Job at that building.
Was the WTC a Japanese design? No. The WTC was neither a Japanese nor an American design. It was design done by Minoru Yamasaki, in the tradition of the International Style movement. Yamasaki studied in Washington and New York, and worked with Shreve, Lamb & Harmon (the architects that designed the Empire State Building). He called Mies Van der Rohe his favorite architect. He followed the concepts of Mies in his own way at the WTC design. And in my opinion, he did it in a great way.
Whoever says that the WTC Towers where just two tall sticks, and had no architectural worth does not know what he is talking about.
I loved the WTC since the first time I saw it. I have a lot of large and beautiful posters of it on the wall in my home (like some of you have posters of 747s or SR-71s), since many many years. I visited it several times, and each time I saw it, I liked it even more than before. This was my favorite building as long as I can remember, and not because of its size. Its minimalistic crystal like form had class.
 
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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:15 pm

MattD....saying you don't appreciate the architecture or the original towers is hardly unpatriotic--they were, in fact, quite ugly.

You can look at any number of New York Times articles written about them while they were being built or shortly after completion. Few critics were impressed.

I thought the Oklahoma Federal Building was butt ugly too. Does that make me a bad American?

Or possibly you just a bit unbalanced?
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 8:05 am

The Twin Towers WERE beloved, or at the very least an attention grabbing focal point of The City. If they weren't, then there wouldn't be as many picturesque photos of them as there are. Not to mention how many movies they've been featured in. And yes, I also loved them and took lots of pictures.

I swear on this as much as I swear the sun rises in the east, When this pathetic joke of a "winner" is built, I will be there to hock the biggest, thickest greenest loogie on it. I will smoke a whole pack of Marlboros just prior to arriving to enhance it.
 
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RE: New WTC Design Chosen! Taller Then Original!

Sat Mar 01, 2003 9:33 am

At the time opf their construction....the twin towers pushed the envelope of engineering and design..........this project does not look like it will do that.

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