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Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:37 pm

Frigthening, indeed...

http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,905936,00.html

Seems like the Bush administration is willing to do anything to get their war...
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:22 pm

That's just the way USA considers a democratic vote !!

Are you all surprised ???

I'm not.



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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Sun Mar 02, 2003 11:02 pm

It is exactly this "War at all costs" attitude that is so damned retarded. What happened to pragmatism and patience?

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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Sun Mar 02, 2003 11:16 pm

This is not the least bit surprising to me. It's just another aspect of how the current corrupt, dispicable administration operates here in the US. Let's hope 2004 brings some serious changes.
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq

Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:45 am

Anyone notice something funny about the memo? Who's dirty trick is this anway?
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:51 am

JetService, it's a "dirty trick" to find out all you can before a big vote in the UN Security Council. After all, the other country's wouldn't DARE do such a thing, would they? Right.

It's only a dirty trick to those who think embarrasing the U.S., whether deserved or not (aka, Roy), is the shiek thing to do these days.
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq

Mon Mar 03, 2003 1:09 am

Alpha 1, I'm more concerned with the content of the memo being littered with Brithish-style english. 'favourable', 'recognise', 'emphasise', a European timestamp on the 'email'. Looks like someone's trying to frame someone else.
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 1:17 am

The only surprise here is that it is a surprise to some people. Are you naive or what? National intelligence services have been reading (or trying to read) other nations' mail, conversations, diplomatic traffic, etc. for hundreds of years.

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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 1:52 am

Nothing new.

"Remember The Maine!"
We blamed Spain on this. The USS Maine was blown up internally.

"Remember Pearl Harbor!"

FDR knew it was coming.
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

We would have had to fight Japan eventually, but why loose half the Pacific Fleet?

Tonkin Gulf - LBJ pulled a fast one.


"Remember 9-11!"
Now, Afghanistan and Iraq. Neither had anything to do with 9-11.
C'est la guerre.


Smedley Butler on Interventionism

-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of
people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the
expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight.
The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes
overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two
things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other
reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out
enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss"
Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-
three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the
Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that
period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the
Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military
profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended
animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba
a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen
Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify
Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name
before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see
to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I
could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I
operated on three continents.








 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq

Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:51 am

OMG, are you guys kidding? You will believe anything wont you. So naive, as long as it sheds a negative light on the United States, you'll jump all over it like a pack of drooling hound dogs.

This is from the same website that has this "news" as drivel as well:

http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,896778,00.html
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:17 am

That was so obvious anyway. You can already guess that billions of USD will be offered to all those smaller countries in order to get their vote. Once again, the domestic democracy of the United States is very different than their dictatorship on the international scene. Once again, congratulations to Turkey who has refused the money and has preferred to listen to their population.
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:31 am

Once again, congratulations to Turkey who has refused the money and has preferred to listen to their population.

We'll see how grateful the population is, OO-AOG, when the Turkish economy go belly-up, which it just might without this aid.

Plus, you can say "adios" to Turkey ever getting in the EU. They won't be able to shore up their economy as well, and they may have lost the backing of the one party that tried last year to get them in the EU.

Sometimes, OO-AOG, the people don't know shit. In this case, this is obviously true.
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:45 am

Some people might be more interested to not support the rogue behavior of a country willing to start an unnecessary war rather than improve their own economy Alpha1. I would personally refuse a gift of 1 million USD (even if I agree, it would improve my own "economy") if I have to do something that I feel WRONG as a payback.

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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:51 am

Some people might be more interested to not support the rogue behavior of a country willing to start an unnecessary war rather than improve their own economy Alpha1.

Then their raving idiots, OO-AOG. To cut off your nose to spite your face is idiotic. Maybe you think it's a grand thing, but when Turkey is in a deep recession or a depression, how grand will it look then?
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:03 am

Alpha 1, I'm more concerned with the content of the memo being littered with Brithish-style english. 'favourable', 'recognise', 'emphasise', a European timestamp on the 'email'. Looks like someone's trying to frame someone else.

here's the response from the paper:

This email was originally transcribed with English spellings standardised for a British audience. Following enquiries about this, we have reverted to the original US-spelling as in the document leaked to The Observer.

I don't know whether to believe it or not.
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:03 am

Do a search on Ahmed Chalibi. He's a crook. Faces 22 years in jail in Jordan for swindling millions from his bank.

We're asking for trouble if we go in.
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:03 am

Money, money, money, it's all about money with you guys. Can't you think a step further? Humanism maybe? .... no, of course not, you can't understand that a poor country has refused your billions huh? Maybe the day when you will understand WHY, the anti-americanism will be history believe me Alpha1.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq

Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:05 am

I guess you guys all accept this story to be true. Also, you keep talking about a war. Show me the war! Thus far, the threat of war is making Saddam "sort of" cooperate with the UN -- which is a damn sight more than he would be doing had we gone along with France, Germany, etc.

Please stick to facts!!!!

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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:05 am

You live in a utopian, fantasy, OO-AOG. All these brave words don't mean shit when your economy is face down in the gutter, does it?
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:16 am

No Alpha1, you and your country are living in an utopian and fantasy, but, just like Michael Jackson, you have the money and the power to realize your terrible dreams.
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:30 am

OO-AOG, you're sounding more like Indianguy all the time! Congratulations.

Again, when Turkey's people are suffering because their economy has collapesed, let's see how much weight your fine and noble words mean.

In a truly utopian world, maybe what you say would be true. But in a world of stark, cold reality, Turkey made the wrong move, in my view.
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:42 am

OO-AOG, you're sounding more like Indian's all the time! Congratulations

What is that for another clever personal attack Alpha1?!, I suppose, but correct me if I'm wrong, that on Bush's intelligent scale, IndianGuy and I are "Evil" and because there's only 2 possibilities ("Evil" and "Good"), anyone against US government will be "sounding" like Indianguy and permanent members of the Axe of Evil "private club"... Correct?  Big thumbs up
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:57 am

Couldn't have said it better myself, OO-AOG!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 8:15 am

Alpha1.... LOL  Big thumbs up

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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 8:21 am

Actually, OO-AOG, I do not put you in the same category as Roy. Roy has a deep, visceral hatred of the United States. It goes way beyond George Bush. It is a hatred of our people; or our traditions; or our strength; of our wealth; or our way of life. All he advocates on here are things that would harm or humiliate the United States. He's quite consistent in that regard.

I don't agree with you on the Turkey stance,but you're far, far from being in such lofty, ahem, company.  Smile
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:35 pm


Actually, OO-AOG, I do not put you in the same category as Roy. Roy has a deep, visceral hatred of the United States. It goes way beyond George Bush. It is a hatred of our people; or our traditions; or our strength; of our wealth; or our way of life. All he advocates on here are things that would harm or humiliate the United States. He's quite consistent in that regard.

Good Heavens Alpha1! Open up your closed mind a little bit and learn to get along with other people. These personal attacks are getting WAY out of hand. Manni, ADG, myself and now OO-AOG? Dont you ever tire of it?

Nobody among these members mentioned is "anti-American", far from it. But this administration is criminally working against everything about America that the rest of the world looks upto. Instead of the taking the rest of the world along, this warmonger is doling out threats to all who stand in his way. And by going ahead with this war, he has signed the death warrant for America itself.

-Roy
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:38 pm

Sorry Roy.

But Alpha1 has you pretty well sized up. If there is anyone on this site with a closed mind about the US....It is you.

Oh and Roy.

Don't confuse calling you on your views as a personal attack.

It destroys what little credibilty you have.
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:34 pm

HI guys,

I've been reading with interest all your comments on this whole Iraq issue. I guess I'm a neutral bystander..... There's this great amount of info but I can't make an informed decision. I guess eventually, everyone will be manipulated by the media!

Anyway I received this in my email and I wonder what you guys think of it:

1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S. have?

A: 6%

2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have?

A: 50%

3. Q: Which country has the largest oil reserves?

A: Saudi Arabia

4. Q: Which country has the second largest oil reserves?

A: Iraq

5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year worldwide?

A: $900+ billion

6. Q: How much of this is spent by the U.S.?

A: 50%

7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials of
life to everyone in the world, according to the UN?

A: 10% (that's about $40 billion, the amount of funding initially requested
to fund the US retaliatory attack on Afghanistan).

8. Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II?

A: 86 million

9. Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons?

A: Since the early 1980's.

10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical & biological weapons on their own?

A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US government,
along with Britain and private corporations.

11. Q: Did the US government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare against
Iran?

A: No

12. Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the Kurdish
town of Halabja in 1988?

A: 5,000

13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time?

A: 0

14. Q: How many gallons of agent Orange did America use in Vietnam?

A: 17million.

15. Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and September 11th terrorist
attack?

A: No

16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War?

A: 35,000

17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the western
forces during the Gulf War ?

A: 0

18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U.S. tanks
with ploughs mounted on the front?

A: 6,000

19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and Kuwait after
the Gulf War?

A: 40 tons

20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq
between 1991 and 1994?

A: 700%

21. Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it had
destroyed in 1991?

A: 80%

22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything
other than deterrence and self defense?

A: No

23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years
ago?

A: No

24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of
an attack on Iraq in 2002/3?

A: 10,000

25. Q: What percentage of these will be children?

A: Over 50%

26. Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq?

A: 11 years

27. Q: Were the U.S and the UK at war with Iraq between December 1998 and
September 1999?

A: No

28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December
1998 and September 1999?

A: 20 million

29. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict
sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports?

A: 12 years

30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000 births)?

A: 38

31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999 (per 1,000
births)?

A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%)

32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a
result of UN sanctions?

A: 1.5 million

33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to sanctions
since 1997?

A: 750,000

34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq?

A: No

35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998?

A: 300

36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems?

A: 5

37. Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath Party HQ?

A: Yes

38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, "Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to
a level unprecedented in modern history."

A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief

39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop weapons of
mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and
dismantled?

A: 90%

40. Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in ?

A: Yes

41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992?

A: Over 65

42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did America veto between 1972 and
1990?

A: 30+

44. Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons?

A: 8

45. Q: How many nuclear warheads has Iraq got?

A: 0

46. Q: How many nuclear warheads has US got?

A: over 10,000

47. Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons?

A: the US

48. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Israel have?

A: Over 400

50. Q: Who said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about
things that matter"?

A: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr



 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:45 pm

Wow! That's alot of numbers.

Let me just point out 1 inconsistency. I was told that the US had over 35,000 war heads.
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:47 pm

Docpepz

I was going to point out a lot of wrong and misleading info in your post. But then I saw it was a joke, as some of your points are quite funny, like:

22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything
other than deterrence and self defense?

A: No


Now THAT is comedy!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:52 pm

CHarles,

Oh please don't give me the credit! As I said I received that in my email and I just copied and pasted it here. Just want all your opinions on it, as it made an interesting read. It may not all be factual and I would appreciate your pointing the inaccuracies out!

So please do, if you're free!

Cheers.
 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:59 pm

Or, as GWB has repeatedly said in his speeches:

"We are the greatest nation, full of the finest people on the face of the Earth. May God bless, God bless America"

 Yeah sure

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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:09 pm

Ok, here's a little list

2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have?

A: 50%


This appears to be some kind of criticism at the U.S. for having one of the (if not the foremost) world’s most efficient economies. Communists believe everyone should be equal – A great cop-out which eliminates the obligation for each person to work hard.

5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year worldwide?

A: $900+ billion


I don’t have time to dig into this, but come on, this is very low – especially when you apply PPP to that number, which should run 5-10 times higher.

7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials of
life to everyone in the world, according to the UN?

A: 10% (that's about $40 billion, the amount of funding initially requested
to fund the US retaliatory attack on Afghanistan)
.

If it’s so little, why doesn’t the UN show that they are willing to lead the effort, instead of spending 96-97% of their massive budgets on nice offices and overhead costs? Only a tiny amount of UN funds go to the field. Who will administrate the $40 billion, if not the UN? The locals? I don’t think so.

10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical & biological weapons on their own?

A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US government,
along with Britain and private corporations.


Not to mention France, Germany, Russia, and others. However the US and UK of these nations stopped aiding Iraq after Saddam’s megalomania became blindingly clear in 1988-90, whereas the others have continued to help him. Then of course after 1991, it became illegal to do so.

Here’s a question that I have not heard anyone ask. These Al-Samoud II missiles that are supposedly being destroyed right now – The Iraqis claim to have developed it themselves, but I have difficulty believing that they did it all by themselves. Who sold them the rocket engines? Who sold them the guidance systems? Someone sold them to the Iraqis quite recently, in clear violation of sanctions. Somebody wants to cover his ass.

13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time?

A: 0


Yes they did, and it marked the beginning of problems between the US congress and Iraq. You can look it up on the US State Department’s web site archives for 1988. It took a while to get momentum, but the atrocities did not go unnoticed. By the way the number was higher – Saddam wiped out far more than just 5000 kurds (evidence of where the writer’s loyalties lie)

14. Q: How many gallons of agent Orange did America use in Vietnam?

A: 17million.


Unless you control your garden with VX nerve gas, I don’t see the connection. Agent Orange was just a herbicide, not a chemical weapon. Agent Orange was never meant to be dangerous to humans – The fact that it was turned out to be an unpleasant surprise.



16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War?

A: 35,000


Every time an Iraqi missile battery gets blown up, all the operators are said to be civilians. Interesting.

Anyway, assuming that Saddam’s numbers are correct (and that he did not specifically put civilians in a target area in order to create propaganda), the total Iraqi KIA lists for the Gulf War were about 400,000 or so, so that is around a 10% error rate. Not bad considering that 90% of Gulf War munitions were unguided (unlike today). It shows that the U.S., during the Gulf War, did make a very strong effort to avoid civilian targets wherever they could.

17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the western
forces during the Gulf War ?

A: 0


All that shows us is what the Israelis have known for years. The Arabs are great for blowing up or shooting unarmed civilians, but are not good soldiers in the face of armed soldiers.

22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything
other than deterrence and self defense?

A: No


This was so funny, I just had to post it again  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years
ago?

A: No


Entirely a subjective opinion. Certainly his conventional forces are not much of a threat. Otherwise – that’s the question, isn’t it?

24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of
an attack on Iraq in 2002/3?

A: 10,000


Source? Looks reasonable to me. But remember that some 15,000 Iraqi civilians die every month due to sanctions. So after a war, with the sanctions lifted and reconstruction aid coming in, A lot more Iraqis will be saved than will have died during the war.

26. Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq?

A: 11 years


At the cost of $30 billion, enforcing useless UN mandates which bring no results, and cost a lot. And the UN wonders why the US has had enough?

28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December
1998 and September 1999?

A: 20 million


All in the wrong places, apparently.

32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a
result of UN sanctions?

A: 1.5 million


Why, because of the mistaken belief that Saddam cares more for his people than for keeping his WMDs. The sanctions should have never been put in place. The UN should have authorized ground forces to go to Baghdad in 1991. We know that in hindsight.

34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq?

A: No


He just made it impossible to do their jobs!

35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998?

A: 300

36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems?

A: 5


LOL! One “problem” out of 300 would be too much! It shows that 7 years after the war, the Iraqis still had not disarmed. Now who believes that Saddam would push out the inspectors and THEN disarm in hiding. Saddam, the closet Peacenik. At night he likes to dress up as a hippy with peace symbols and flowers in his hair. Right.

38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, "Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to
a level unprecedented in modern history."

A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief


Think of this scenario: I hold a 9mm Beretta to your head. It has 15 bullets in the magazine and one in the chamber. I take out the magazine, and point the gun back at your head. Should you still be worried?

He must disarm completely, otherwise it is pointless.

39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop weapons of
mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and
dismantled?

A: 90%


Terrific! Now where are the other 10%?

Most of the last questions were irrelevant, except for this one:

50. Q: Who said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about
things that matter"?

A: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr


I’ve heard the same quote used on both sides in support of freeing the Iraqi people and for stopping a war. It makes you wonder what he would say himself.

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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:47 pm

Let me make a much shorter list:

1. Isn't the Guardian the British equivalent of the National Enquirer?

2. Docpepz, don't you know that when you post that much crap, people are going to skip right over it?
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:54 pm

Thanks Charles for taking the time to respond to the "crap" I posted. It's greatly appreciated!

As I said, I'm not very well informed on this issue and am glad that you've given me another insight into this. Thanks a lot.

As they say, there's lies, more lies and statistics. Numbers alone don't mean anything but yet they make for great propaganda.



 
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RE: Observer: US Dirty Tricks To Win Vote On Iraq War

Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:54 pm

38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, "Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to
a level unprecedented in modern history."

A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief


Scott Ritter has burned so many bridges he can't get an interview on Art Bell's show.

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