AMERICAN757
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The New A8L

Sun Mar 16, 2003 3:44 pm

What do you think of the new Audi A8, Its exterior is sooooooooooooooo much better looking than the old one, the current model is so boring. The new interior is very nice too, I like the new navigation unit. So what do you think of the new A8, I dont really understand how to post pictures of it, so if somebody could.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Sun Mar 16, 2003 8:45 pm

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RE: The New A8L

Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:20 pm

Hmmmm...look at that important looking round dial on the centre console....hmmmmmmmmmmm!
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RE: The New A8L

Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:28 pm

Oh no! Not another i-Drive.

The car really looks like a big A4, very very similar, apart from the rear.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:46 pm

From magazine reviews here, the A8 MMI (that's what their i-drive is called) is easier than BMW's approach. I don't think the I-drive is too complicated, though.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:37 am

Welcome back AA757. Glad you like cars other than the Mercedes (which is also very nice).

To me, the new A8 could have been more adventurous in the styling. I almost prefer the old design, but there aren't many differences. I'm looking forward to the next A6 which is supposed to be a knockout style-wise. For some clues as to what the next A6 might look like, I present you the Audi Nuvolari Quattro Concept. Keep in mind, it's a concept car, so it's more "out there" than a production car would be.







Audi is on a roll currently. They are producing very appealing products with exceptionally high levels of fit and finish. They need to work on their overall reliability, but that's unfortunately the case with the other German manufacturers these days. But they still produce solid, long lasting cars, and overall the major components (engines, transmissions, chassis) are top notch.

The new A8 is also on the same platform as the VW Phaeton, is much lighter thanks to aluminum construction, and also has the new air suspension. Can't wait to see the S8!!!
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
 
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:41 am

oh hell, every Audi looks the same now.

Looks like a A4L

except for the rear lights, jeez, I hope an updated A6 seperates their lineup a little bit.

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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:47 am

What a beautiful car. Grrrr...  Big grin

Audi has come a long, long way since the days of the Fox, the 100LS and even the early 5000S. I'm glad they survived that ridiculous unintended acceleration scandal (mostly due to people not knowing which pedal they were stepping on!) to become the leading edge marque they are today.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:56 am

In a recent survey by I believe one of the German car magazines, Audi beat BMW in most categories in terms of driver's preferences. In fact, Audi's A4 has been selling exceptionally well in the market where the BMW 3 series is considered the leader. I think with BMW losing some focus lately, and Audi really improving their quality and styling, and intruducing sportier cars, they are becoming the new BMW, while BMW is becoming a German Buick! Ok, I know that's harsh, but I like to call the BMW 745i the BMW Roadmaster.  Big grin To be fair, you can call it the BMW Roadmaster T-Type (Superfly, what ever happened to the Buick T-Type cars, the last I can remember was about 15 years ago with the Lesabre coupe T-Type).

"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
 
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 2:16 am

"In fact, Audi's A4 has been selling exceptionally well in the market where the BMW 3 series is considered the leader. "

I think that has something to do with the fact that the new BMW designs are nauseatingly ugly.



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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 2:23 am

I think that has something to do with the fact that the new BMW designs are nauseatingly ugly.

The current 3 deffinatly isn't.
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 2:32 am

It's really only the A4 that has been very successful, and that's against the current 3, which is really an exceptional car. Let's see how the new A8 does, and also, how the next A6 does against the next 5 series.
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 3:55 am

I have decided I dont like its new steering wheel, its sorta, idk i just dont like it. I like the 7 series steering wheel better than that one. But the rest of that 7 series sucks. I was checking it out at the auto show a few weeks back and it was so nasty. P.S. I got to ride in the S500 last night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was so happy.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:16 am

I had the pleasure of visiting the VIP-A8 stand at the British International Motor Show in November.

The A8 is an amazing machine. As for the MMI, they had a mock-up where one could use it. Very easy and quick to use, in total comparison to BMW's horrendous I-Drive. The Audi system uses 'shortcut' buttons to move quickly to particular tasks, totally unlike BMW yet much simpler to use.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:32 am

No, the current 3-series is nice, I'm just talking about BMW's weird designs from the 745i onwards. I think the cars are hideous. I hope they keep the current M5 the way it is for some time...

I, personally, will always love the pre-2002 A4 design (such as the 2001, for example). I think that is one of the greatest and more original car designs, ever.


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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:52 am

FSP, I see what you're saying. The previous A4 had a character all its own. I like the new A4 a bit better (it's newer too), but it's a little bland by comparison. I think the same regarding the new A8, a little bland compared to what it could have been. I'm waiting for the new A6 which should create a new wave of Audi excitement and bring the line into the next level. Do I see an Audi in my future???  Big grin
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:10 am

I, personally, will always love the pre-2002 A4 design (such as the 2001, for example). I think that is one of the greatest and more original car designs, ever.

Absolutely! I own a 2001 A4 and just love it! It looks beautiful and aesthetic, and the interior is top notch. I love the red-lit dials, knobs and buttons - they give the interior of the car a surreal feeling at night.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:19 am

BarfBag: tell me your car is stick! If it is automatic, then I will cry  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I also would rather have the older body S4 than the new body S4. Something about the new A4 body just doesn't click with me. It doesn't have the personality that the older one did.

But I'm immensly happy with my car (TT Coupe 225). It really drives like no other. I especially love the 45 minutes drives to LAX at night, when the gauges are all lit white/red (I wish they just made them all red like the older audis), and driving over the silky smooth portion of the 91W past tustin. No traffic at that time of night, and you become one with your car  Smile


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AMERICAN757
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:54 am

the mercedes has the most surreal feeling at night when the whole panel is lit up, the lights have this comfortable glow i love.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:56 am

FSP: Tsk tsk.. its not 'automatic', its 'Tiptronic'! Oh, and you can have my shoulder to cry on Big grin If its any consolation the car is chipped.

I know what you mean about the night-time driving. Its incredible going down a mostly desolate road with all those little red-lit thingies around you, the engine humming smoothly and the stars visible through the sunroof  Smile

The new B6 body seems somewhat 'boxy', and doesn't seem to have the more classic shape of the B5 body (pre-2002). Moreover, the 2002- models have been facing a lot of flak with the coilpack issue. I don't suppose your TT faces the same problem, does it ?
 
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:11 am

The coilpack issue was a real PR nightmare for VW/Audi. If I had the money I'd seriously consider getting the TT VR6 coming out shortly.

But barfbag, sorry, tiptronic just wont do it for someone who wants that clutch! Call us old fashioned, but there's a real difference in driving enjoyment.  Smile But the VR6 TT will have a new transmission option, so stay tuned! Will make BMW's SMG look dated.
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:19 am

lol, sorry BarfBag, I meant "tiptronic"  Smile.

Captaingomes: The VR6 TT, from what I heard, only comes in "tip-tronic"  Sad. Have you heard otherwise? I hope!




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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:26 am

I tried drivin a stick once, and it made sounds I had never heard before. And it was so funny that I couldnt stop doing it. My dad was making it even worse cause he was laughing too. It was great.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:45 am

American757: Sounds like you were destroying it, not driving it  Smile


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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:47 pm

Some much needed inspiration for Audi's A8 line. I have always had a special little place in my BMW heart for the S8 ever since the movie Ronin.
However, I think the design is a little unoriginal, perhaps borrowed from the A6, just like the new A4 was borrowed from the A6 design. Thats where I've lost faith in Audi these days, great cars (if they could only improve their reliability) but unoriginal.

Here's my conspiracy theory with Audi---ever notice how Audi comes out with a redesigned model about 2-3 years after BMW redesignes their models? New 3 series-new A4. New 7 series-new A8 with a "i-drive" knock off. New 5 series debuting soon-new A6 in a few years. I'm willing to bet that within 2 years the TT will be overhauled now that the new Z4 is out. Anyone else here see a trend???

BTW, American757, was that stick car a brand new CL65 Amg, or perhaps a brand new G55 Amg from the Mercedes dealership that you co-run?


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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 3:39 pm

FSP, the VR6 TT will have a new tranny. It is race-inspired, and very similar to the SMG tranny that you can get on the M3. Basically, it is at heart a manual transmission with an automatic clutch. You shift with a gear shifter, nudging it forwards or backwards, and/or I believe shift paddles on the steering column. The difference between this tranny and the SMG by BMW and similar ones from Ferrari, Alfa Romeo and maybe one or two others, is that it has 2 clutches. I'm not 100% on how it works, but basically, the second clutch holds the next gear, so that gear changes are vastly quicker than SMG and others. If you want more details, there was a recent excellent article at http://www.vwvortex.com in their recent feature on the front page titled "First Drive: Audi TT 3.2" Go have a look, I think you'll be impressed. Let's all hope that it is reliable!!!!!

On a side note, the new Golf R32 with the 3.2 VR6 will have this transmission too, and it will be followed as an option in the next few years on more plebian VW/Audi products too, including the TDI.
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RE: The New A8L

Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:44 pm

Ahhhh.....The Golf R32.........saw a brand new example outside a very 'upscale' bar in my city on Saturday. Black and shiny and very very nice.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Tue Mar 18, 2003 7:53 am

FSPILOT: thats the reason my dad let me drive it, we were getting rid of it soon anyways so he didnt care. It was old and probably didnt get a new owner anyways.
 
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RE: The New A8L

Tue Mar 18, 2003 8:47 am

Captaingomes: As fast as the electronic shifting may be, I am really attatched to the clutch and stick. Something about it  Smile


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RE: The New A8L

Tue Mar 18, 2003 9:10 am

FSP, I totally agree. I've driven the tiptronic and it's a nice automatic. I'm sure this new transmission and the SMG are lots of fun too. But I'm old fashioned I guess (plus an outright manual transmission is bound to be more reliable, durable and definitely much less expensive). But if anybody purchases one of the TT VR6's or R32 Golfs, I'll gladly take it for a spin!  Big grin
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RE: The New A8L

Tue Mar 18, 2003 9:51 am

Gomes,

Are you postive that the VR6 TT's shifting is going to be faster than the SMG. Although similar, its still a different system in almost all respects. Perhaps Audi's system is faster shifting, but with the SMG, although you shift fast, one of the things that gives M vehicles such power is their ability to stretch out those gears a few miliseconds after the shift is applied. Don't get me wrong, I like the TT, but I hope it doesn't develop a superiority complex......
 
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RE: The New A8L

Tue Mar 18, 2003 9:56 am

"Don't get me wrong, I like the TT, but I hope it doesn't develop a superiority complex......"

Ah...It's not a complex  Big grin



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RE: The New A8L

Tue Mar 18, 2003 10:58 am

No the TT VR6 wont be as fast as an M3, that's for sure. It's the actual shifts that will be quicker, due to the two clutches. Here is a quote from vwvortex.com about the transmission, DSG: "DSG is completely different from BMW's SMG and Ferrari's F1 system in that it has two clutches instead of one. This means that DSG can fire off an upshift in .008 seconds whereas BMW's SMG takes .8 seconds to make the same shift."

A little more: "At a basic level DSG is a dual-clutch electronically controlled transmission that can be shifted manually via the shift lever or paddles on the steering wheel or it can be dumped into drive and used like an automatic - there is no clutch pedal. DSG utilizes 2 clutches, 2 main input shafts and 2 sets of gears - 1st, 3rd, 5th and Reverse on one shaft and 2nd, 4th, and 6th on the other. Because this is a wet system, there is an oil coiler and oil filter attached to the transmission."
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