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France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:16 am

See, the French aren't as bad as you are told to think.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/18/sprj.irq.france.chemicals/index.html

Essentially, Chirac said that he would send troops if Iraq used chemical weapons.
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:19 am

Obviously the French are just as evil and corrupt as the U.S. administration is, right?

I mean, after all....it's all about oil and getting even for daddy, right?  Insane
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:27 am

EA CO AS, Have you read the article?
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:36 am

How is this new news? I think it would be impossible for France, Germany, Russia, etc. to just sit back and watch if Saddam did use chemical weapons. That's not what we're pissed about. We're pissed about the fact that France is dilly-dallying, seemingly waiting for Saddam to strike so that they have a undisputable reason to use force to oust him.
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:37 am

EA CO AS, Have you read the article?
Teva


Yes. Have you?
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:39 am

The U.S. should (and probably will) reject any offers of assistance from France, as they'll likely come with the conditions that they be a part of rebuilding Iraq.

They had their chance to get on board, and now they're done.

Of course, as someone recently noted:

Going to war without the French is like going hunting without your accordion.  Big grin
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 5:29 am

France simply wants proof of WMD's before they will commit troops. The original idea was to allow the inspectors time to uncover these weapons and then give Saddam a deadline to disarm. Unfortunately, the war-mongering actions of Bush allow only one way to prove that Iraq posseses WMD's. Now that the inspectors are gone, the only way we will know if Iraq posseses these are if he uses them.

What was the saying I recall hearing:

How do Cheney and Rumsfeld know that Saddam posseses WMD's?

Answer: They gave them to him.
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 5:35 am

Actually most of them came from countries other then the US. France was a major supplier, Especially when nuclear technonlogy was concerned.




France is big time convering its ass right now, because they know the US will find those WMD at best, or at worse have them shot at them.
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 6:14 am

Just for your information, German Anti-ABC troops have been stationed in Kuwait to protect the US forces there since October 2001. If Saddam uses WMD against the US forces or Kuwait, they'll surely won't sit back and do nothing.
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 6:15 am

L-188,

This is a fake picture, actually not fake but it is not saddam hussein on the photo with Chirac, nice try but better luck next time.
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 6:36 am

France should be locked out of any rebuilding since Aventis, Dassault, TotalFinaElf and Alcatel have already made enough money. Let some one else get a chance.... Insane
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:03 am

Considering the global anti-French sentiment, I suggest that if Hussein uses chemical weapons against US troops, we just surrender and let them in the shit.

(joking joking joking joking)
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:07 am

OMG a picture of Chirac with Hussein!!!!............quick quick someone cue the picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussein.


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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:09 am

Again this story.
These people just forget that 60% of the Iraqi oil is bought by the USA ...
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:19 am

France Offers Military Support

Errr.....to who? The US or Iraq?

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Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:26 am

"60% of the Iraqi oil is bought by the USA "

And you came to this conclusion how?
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:35 am

First you slam them for not wanting war, and now you slam them for saying that they will help. Go figure...
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:40 am

"First you slam them for not wanting war, and now you slam them for saying that they will help. Go figure..."

Have you ever heard the sayings like

A day late, a dollar short?
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:42 am

Actually that 60% is reportedly the accurate number.

All of it however has been purchased through the food for oil program, that Saddam has been pilfering to pay for his WMD programs.
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:51 am

France gave Iraq the Osirak reactor and a few mirage jets. The show I watched on the History Channel a week ago on Iraq interviewed the head the department in charge of all biological weapons in the US. Against his reccomendations, he was ordered under Reagan to ship Anthrax over to Iraq.
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:14 am

Actually that 60% is reportedly the accurate number.

actually, that statement is wrong. The US gets 30% of it's oil from the Middle East in the aggregate; a majority comes from Nigera, Venezuela and our close neighbour  Insane Canada. Europe gets 80% of it's oil from the Middle East...
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:17 am

747-451, obviously you didn't read the post.

60% of the IRAQI oil is bought by the US.

Your post is meaningless.
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:18 am

That was a reference to the percentage of what Iraq exports.

Right now about a quarter of US oil is from Iraq. That is mainly due to the strike in Venzuela that has pretty much shut down that coutrys production. This is one reason why prices are so high right now. The worries about the war in the Iraq is the other.

If we would just drill ANWR that would provide an equal percentage to what Iraq producesfor the US at this time.
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:20 am

Your post is meaningless.  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

No, it's an explanation of where US oil comes from.
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:35 am

Jeeez - its not Saddam. Its Steve Paterson!
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:39 am

Yes, that has no relevance in this discussion. Can't you just admit you read the post wrong?
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:56 am

"Yes, that has no relevance in this discussion. Can't you just admit you read the post wrong? " Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

Factually, I am correct, and yes my statenment clearly states how much oil we get from the middle east, since porevious ones were incorrect and the statement about Iraqi oil misleads in the sense that we get all of our oil in the middle east from "Iraq" specifically.  Insane
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:58 am

Wow, you can't even admit that you misread a post! Yes, factually you may be correct, that's not the issue. Can you not even say that you misread the post, without coming up with some excuse about how you MEANT to post irrelevant stats?
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:00 am

60% is the percentage of oil that Iraq exports to the US.

25% is the percentage of oil that the US imports...Mainly it is that high because of the turmoil in Venezuela.

Both numbers are correct...

now kiss and make up please.
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:08 am

Wow, you can't even admit that you misread a post! Yes, factually you may be correct, that's not the issue. Can you not even say that you misread the post, without coming up with some excuse about how you MEANT to post irrelevant stats?

No.  Yeah sure  Insane
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:18 am

Oh. Guess that makes you really mature then.

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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:44 am

Who the hell needs the French for anything. It is bad enough to fight a war with the enemy in front of you,why would you want them behind you. The only way I would let France fight is if they join Iraq so we could take them out also.
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:30 am

Heeeyyy wait a second! I thought Iraq had no WMDs?!! What now France? You're admitting they might? Hmmmm.
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:41 am

So anyone heard of Djibouti (former French colony, independent 1977)? The USofA is after that strategically placed country and the infrastructure which
the French military have there.
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:52 am

Their offer of help is based on a contingency. I don't think there is all that much value. France's support in facing down Saddam diplomatically over the past 6 months would have been far more useful than the relative pittance they have offered us at this late stage.
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:00 pm

IL96M,

Inspections did not work. They were a shell game and the world was so eager to credit Saddam for 'cooperating' that they assumed that weapons did not exist unless the inspectors found them. It was absolutely ridiculous.

Chirac leads a country that feels more threatened by the possibility that it will play second fiddle to the United States than it does by the possibility that Saddam has WMD but they would exercise more influence on world affairs. That is Chirac's bottom line and it is very expensive.

Chirac and Villepin were not reasonable. They entertained fantasies that frankly we all wish were true.

 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:04 pm

So USofA troops is helping Djibouti to monitor it´s borders how nice,
http://allafrica.com/stories/200302280596.html
Shame that they have to co-operate with the dreadful French located in the area....
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:45 pm

I would politely decline the offer by France to assist. I have no problem with them opposing a conflict, but either the do, or they don't. They can't have it both ways.

And we all know that there's an underlying reason for France saying that-two reasons, in fact. 1. France KNOWS Saddam still has WMD's, and 2. France does NOT want to get shut out in the billions that can be had in the reconstruction of Iraq in the post-Saddam era.

I also see that Canada says they will not participate in any fighting, but they want a hand in reconstruction. Same thing goes for our good friends to the north: to the winners go the spoils. If you don't participate in the war, why should you participate in the bounty afterwards?

These nations that have opposed a conflict, well, that's fine. But they shouldn't be trying to get a piece of the pie that will be bought with American, British and Aussie lives.
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 1:53 pm

Chirac's reply to European Nations who support disarming Iraq , "Shut up".

Ilyushin96M, I would rather interpret what Bush says than be lectured by somone as arrogant as Chirac. Where does he get off telling Leaders of other countries to "shut up", and people think Bush is arrogant.


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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:40 pm

It is nice to see that France would help the American GIs after they have been gassed. Thanks but no thanks.
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:54 pm

Alpha 1 wrote:

"to the winners go the spoils. If you don't participate in the war, why should you participate in the bounty afterwards?"


With all due respect, Alpha 1, this attitude just creates the impression that this war is in large part about "bounty" and profits, rather than the interests of the Iraqi people.
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 6:13 pm

With all due respect, Alpha 1, this attitude just creates the impression that this war is in large part about "bounty" and profits, rather than the interests of the Iraqi people.

What a surprise !
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:57 pm

PHX-LJU, the hypocrisy about the French position is that they mask what they're doing as purly "humanitarian", and that's just an outright lie on their part. They're trying to protect huge economic investments by maintaining the status-quo.

But now, they're saying they want a piece post-war Iraq with some kind of post-facto support of armed conflict but ONLY under one certian condition. No thank you. You either share the risk now, or you don't share in the good things-OR the bad things, that might happen in Iraq afterwards.

They made their choice, France did. Now they can just sit on the sidelines and watch billions of dollars in reconstruction money go elsewhere. That was their decision. Now they can live with it.
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:59 pm

PHX-LJU, the hypocrisy about the French position is that they mask what they're doing as purly "humanitarian", and that's just an outright lie on their part. They're trying to protect huge economic investments by maintaining the status-quo.

Absolutely wrong ALPHA-1, you're again spreading BS.
The French position is not humanitarian, its diplomatic (purely diplomatic).
And the HUGE economic investments you are talking about are generating 0,2 % of the economic exchanges of the country.
On the other side, the USA buy 60% of the oil produced in Iraq. What do you say ?
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:04 pm

Sebolino,

Alpha 1 is correct. In opposing the US, France was:

1. Seeking to preserve a state of world affairs in which it might wield influence
2. Trying to save billions in deals done with Saddam in anticipation that sanctions would eventually end.

There was very little humanitarian concern in France's position. Iraq has sold oil in the food for oil program. We buy oil on the open market. So does France. If we refused to buy oil that was from Iraq, we would have been accused of trying to kill Iraqi people by keeping sanctions and not participating in the program.

This is not false rhetoric.
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2003 8:19 am

The only thing we need to do with France is to ignore them.
 
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Thu Mar 20, 2003 8:20 am

"Oh. Guess that makes you really mature then. "

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RE: France Offers Military Support

Thu Mar 20, 2003 8:47 am

If Chirac really means so, shouldn't he then have prepared by now - I mean, started preparations right after 1441 last November?

Chirac coming to that conclusion today is of course useless. Too late mate!

But why this change?

My first thought was that he might in the meantime have had a talk with his own minister of finances who is worried for Saddams last downpayments on his Mirage F1 and Super Etendard planes which are going to melt in a few days or hours. But no, there must be another reason?
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Thu Mar 20, 2003 8:47 am

So when it takes France 4 weeks to mobolize their troops do we have to wait for there asses.  Insane
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RE: France Offers Military Support

Thu Mar 20, 2003 12:36 pm

I'm no big fan of Sean Hannity of FOX, but I heard him make a interesting observation when I tuned in WJR Radio out of DTW / KDTW), USA - Michigan">DTW tonight. He said France is offering this possible help, in case of a WMD attack because, through all this show in the UN, France thinks that Saddam DOES have these WMD's, and plans to use them.

Again, this is just an observation, but why would France, after months of open opposition to the U.S., and saying that they would not accept this conflict no matter what, suddenly turn around and offer support?

1. They want a piece of post-war Iraq to save some of this economic investment in the country.

2. They have known all along Iraq has these weapons.

I don't agree with these petty little swipes at France that U.S. lawmakers have been doing recently-it's infantile. But I would also not led France, Germany, Russia, China, Canada-any of them-get any of the benefits of a post-war Iraq when they took none of the risk.

Since the die has apparently been cast, God Bless the American, British and Aussie troops.

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