"yet everyone, France, Germany and to a lesser degree the US, have vast financial entanglements.
Lesser extend or better hidden? Corporate greed is a world wide issue."
However it may be an issue, there is no way back to bartering or subsistance farming. Secondly, without "corporations operating multinationaly" there would be no economy and perhaps no standard of living. Corporate greed is laid at the stockholders feet.
"Actually less than 50% of your people vote as far as I can see. It's only BS
because it suits your purpose for it to be. It's becomming far more apparent that some in the US want the world to bow down to them, that the world must agree with the US 100% ... well sorry mate, but it isnt' going to happen no matter how bitter you get and how rude you are."
Post your statistics as far as who votes. Secondly, if someone doesn't vote, it is their problem since they don't participate.. And it is BS
, because the government is a reflection of those who vote. As far as "bowing down"--that is a matter of perception. It appears to most of the US bashers here, that any time their government atgrees with the US on something, it is evil, cowtowing etc etc. a tiresome statement--especially in light of how Tony Blair convinvced our government to change and compromise a bit and we did. We don't ask for 100%, never did. That is a miscoception again, of anti-USbaters/bashers. Bitter, no. Rude--only playing the cards that are dealt on this forum :-i.
"But they didn't cause the issue either, surely you're not from the generation of the "no responsibilty memememememem" group are you?"
No, but they materially aided and abetted the problem, didn't they? Thay doesn't excuse them now does it? Aren't you from the "closed minded" generation, since anything the US does is wrong?
"The verbal attacks on the French and Germans by ignorant Americans are just getting worse and worse, gone are any attempts to understand their stand and counter it with facts."
These verbal attacks are no worse that the attacks on the US by Schroeder, Chretien, Chriac and a myriad of other synchophants. As far as "facts" the same holds true Europe, who also ignore facts and select passive means to to dealing with situations where those haven't worked. It appears that Europeans are guilty of the same exact thing and hide/ignore facts as well. Andf they are even worse than the US because of the lengths they have gone to veil these facts.
The French and Germans as are the Russians and US are wrong for the following ADG:
1-12 years worth of sanctions haven't worked, neither has UN declarations 678, 687 or 1441.
2- Sanctions don't work because of European and Russian business dealings which sidestep sanctions--including the sale of parts from Dassault-clearly not humanitarian are they? Same for Russian technology being sold to jam GPS equipment--clearly taking place after sanctions were placed and against the terms of those sanctions.
3-the UN has a deplorable record in enforcing it's sanctions as you have stated many times so why would they expect Saddam to comply?
4-the weaponry used by Iraq in this current condition clearly are in violation of UN orders.
"Brush off? 25 years of opression, a life expectancy of under 40 years, a literacy rate of less than 15% for women (and those women who can read are at risk of being beaten to death because of it). "brush off"?"
Yes, Europe has brushed this off, just as perhpas the US did so there is another reason why Europe is "wrong"--they are in no place to judge since they are guilty of the same thing. It is interesting how the "world community" all of a sudden becomes "enraged"; what convenient timing.
"I have never indicated that America stands alone in the blame, my own country shares a lot of shame for actions that have occured in the world in the past."
However, you never seem to post it in the same breath, now do you?
"Remember what happened to the last superpower who tried to do that?"
Oh, I do--and there is NO comarison....
"That's quite an offensive accusation and one that you have no proof over. Why is it that you guys are so quick to accuse other countries of atrocities and so quick to vilify those of us who point out that people in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones? Indonesia, for all it's faults, has been nothing but helpful in this war on terror, particularly working with the west on the bombing in Bali and their reward for making an effort? Being accused by people like you."
My accusations are no worse than the ones leveled against the US here, icluding some of the accusations you make here aghainst the US. , of which a majority are baseless as well. Indonesia has been the last to sign on to any treaties regarding terrorism and money launbering, have done little to route groups such as Abu Sayaff from it's borders (who are in the process of destabilizing the Phillipines) among otherthings--asside fromn the accusatory rhetoric from it's leaders after 9/11. :
"Indonesia presents special challenges, it was widely agreed. The country seems to have both less skill and less will to combat terrorism within its borders. While the terrorist connections in Indonesia may be loose ones, there is a concern that the country is serving as a de-facto sanctuary to terrorists fleeing Pakistan and Afghanistan. Yet Indonesia is a moderate Islamic nation, and the Bush administration has great support and respect for its democratization and multicultural society. "
from : http://www.csis.org/pacfor/issues/v02n02_sum.htm
It appears that they have only now capitualted to the terrorist threats operating within their borders, and then only after the tragedy at Bali. Indonesia is amoderate country with a democracy, but inability in reigning in radical Islamicism operatives and is still unfortunately a safe haven.
Saudi Arabia and it's funding of Taliban run, Madrassas which act as indoctination academies for alQuaida is well documented, and a majority of the 9/11 operatives were from SA
as is Osama, who's own wealth is derived from operations (construction companies et al) within SA
are also documented. These are clear examples of the hypocrisy and of how much the Saudis are willing to fund and export terror and Wahabism while protecting themselves.
I suggest you substantiate this baseless accusation: "Because in Afghanistan the US totally ignored them and the pleas of international do gooders and the fact that Afghanistan was one of the leading suppliers of drugs and only took notice when it was found that OBL
was hiding there" since our DEA, FBI etc etc were well aware of the drugs and drug running and were involved in efforts to stop it. Secondly, not only were the US huge consumers of Drugs from Afghanistan, so are Europe--again exemplifying their hypocratic inaction.