desertjets
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Alfa Romeo's: Best Looking Cars. Period

Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:17 am

With any luck Alfa will return to the US sometime before the decade is over and bring back a line of fine looking Italian cars. I have drooled over pictures of the stunning looking 147 and 156. It just makes me want one even more.

This is the Brera concept, which sadly will not make it into production... but rumor has it that some of its design cues will be in next generation Alfas.



This is the gorgeous looking Alfa 156 GT coupe. SImply stunning looking if you ask me.




And a shot of the Alfa Spyder, which is rumored to be among the cars that will return to US shores.




And lastly, a shot of the Mazda MX Sportif prototype. I put this here b/c it looks uncannily like the 147 5-door, and is a loosely disguised version of the next generation Protoge.




I really do think that the Italians make the best looking cars by far. I cannot quite put words to it, but they have a soul. Sure the Germans make great mechanical marvels, but they are cold. Same for the Japanese. Now an Alfa is something that I REALLY want.
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RE: Alfa Romeo's: Best Looking Cars. Period

Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:28 am

Rumour has it that GM will bring Alfa to the U.S. in the next few years. That should spice up their dealerships appreciably! I also think they will complement the current Saab offerings, bringing in more traffic to those dealerships. Mechanically though, Alfas have always been troublesome. Hopefully the new ones are better, but yes, they certainly have a soul!
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RE: Alfa Romeo's: Best Looking Cars. Period

Sat Mar 22, 2003 8:38 am

The old 164 Milano (US 4-door Model) was butt ugly. My mechanic drives one and swears by it. (And swears at it, too!)

I've always loved the Spiders, though.

These new models pictured above are quite stunning.

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RE: Alfa Romeo's: Best Looking Cars. Period

Sat Mar 22, 2003 8:43 am

I think each one of the cars you posted pics of are nasty.
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RE: Alfa Romeo's: Best Looking Cars. Period

Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:21 am

I drive both a 01' 156 selespeed and a '76 Guilia Bertone, I just love them.
The newest ones have lost the driving pleasure of the older ones, but the look is still there for sure. Great cars, but not as reliable as german's products.
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desertjets
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 10:44 am

Actually I like the squarish lines of the 164 and other Alfa sedans of that era. It is the Spider that I think is rather ugly.

OO-AOG... you have a 156.... I am sooo jealous. Such a beautiful looking car. Do you have the 2.0 TS or the 2.5 V6?
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 5:15 pm

I LOVE Alfa Romeo!

Always been a fan of Italian cars, only sad that they have their reputation of the early years against them  Sad

The Alfa 147 is one of my favourits at the moment!

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Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:37 pm

DesertJets,

I have the 156 Selespeed Station Wagon version, the 2.0 engine with a electronic sequential gearbox. To be honnest, the 2.0 engine is quite limited, and I would suggest the 2.5V6 or of course the GTA.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 8:30 pm

The 2.0 quite limited?  Laugh out loud

My dad has the 2.0 in it's Alfa 166, and is very happy with it.
In fact, it's not necessary to have something stronger with all the traffic jams and speed limitations  Sad

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Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:48 pm

Sabena690

Don't get it wrong, I like my 156 2.0 but indeed, next time, I will get the stronger engine and definitely a normal gearbox, I don't like this sequential stuff, slow!
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RE: Alfa Romeo's: Best Looking Cars. Period

Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:58 pm

Captaingomes, the issue of whether GM will get their paws on the FIAT group is highly debatable, so any rumours of them taking Alfa to the US are pretty baseless unless that proviso is met.

As for reliability, Alfa Romeo have improved immeasurably over the last few years. They still have major problems with the electrics and other related issues, but mechanically there are few problems these days.
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Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:16 am

My next car will be a 147 GTA. I will make it my mission...
 
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Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:01 am

Banco, with the death of signor Gianni Agnelli, founder of Fiat, and his son at the helm, we'll have to wait and see. I think Gianni was unwilling to see his baby (the car company) go, but his son sees it more from a business perspective, and the auto division of Fiat has been suffering for a long time. If I understand it properly, GM owns a big share of Fiat, but it's losing a lot of money with it. However, some claus in there means they might be forced to purchase the rest, so GM will be forced to do whatever it can to make Fiat profitable once again. Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I probably have a few incorrect facts.

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RE: Alfa Romeo's: Best Looking Cars. Period

Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:22 am

GM has a 25% stake in the Fiat Group I believe. Whether it wants to or not, it is pretty much going to have to bail it out when the time happens. Which would get them control of Fiat, Alfa Romeo, and Lancia. Though with GM picking up the pieces of Daewoo, I am not certain about this actually happening now. But it might be worthwile picking up just Alfa and Lancia.

OO-AOG: Is the selespeed a manu-matic like the Porsche/Audi/VW Tiptronic, or a real sesquential shifting manu box, like in the Ferrari and Maserati?
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Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:26 am

DesertJets

It's a real sequential shifting, like the Ferrari, but much slower. I just had a long test drive in the Modena last week and I can tell you that the 156's sequential is really slow when you compare. On the Alfa it's fun, granted, but not as efficient as it should be.
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RE: Alfa Romeo's: Best Looking Cars. Period

Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:36 am

Actually, the 2.0 TS in the 156 is said to be the best engine for that car in terms of weight balance, the 2.5 V6 is heavier and takes away cornering performance. I'm not sure if the 2.0 V6 Turbo is available for the 156?

The 2.0 TS is great, only con is that it doesn't pull very well under 3000 rpm.

DesertJets, I think the Selespeed is a manual gearbox, shifted automatically.

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Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:42 am

The new 2.0Ts engine (after 2002) has been improved, more powerful and is great, but the older one, mine actually, with just 150cv is just average. Once again is a good car, but hardly a real sport car.
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RE: Alfa Romeo's: Best Looking Cars. Period

Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:50 am

OO-AOG,

Didn't the first 156 2.0 TS have 155 hp, then it was changed to 150, and now it has been changed again?
And regarding the Selespeed, is it a proper sequential gearbox? I've always heard it's a manual gearbox with a normal clutch, that is shifted with hydraulics. And by pressing a button, you don't even have to change the gears, it works like an automatic.

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Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:28 am




Man is that some piece of auto design madness! Best looking ride i've ever put my eyes on. Too bad it ain't going to production though.

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