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Sat Mar 22, 2003 12:43 pm


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/21/sprj.irq.safwan/index.html

I just wanted to post this. I was watching the news this morning and almost got tears from seeing that photo of the US Soldiers giving water to an Iraqi soldier who had surrendered. I want to find that photo. If anyone comes across it, please provide a link.

 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 12:59 pm

Yeah, let's just hope our troops don't eat their food or drink their water.

World War II has documented evidence of clandestine pro-Nazi families that "welcomed" allied troops and poisoned them.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 2:39 pm

Here's that picture:


 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 4:18 pm

It's called war propaganda keep on crying AIR757200, there's nothing to be proud about.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 4:24 pm

Manni,

Wrong it is an honored tradition for a soldier to offer an enemy soldier his canteen, when that soldier is injured or famished. This is just basic human compassion.

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Sat Mar 22, 2003 4:27 pm

It's called war propaganda keep on crying AIR757200, there's nothing to be proud about.

That's not propaganda, that actually happened and it was captured on tape. The media has not said anything else other than what happened in that small town, so don't give me that BS Manni.




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Sat Mar 22, 2003 4:30 pm

TechRep....I admire your persistence in educating the ignorant...i have added you to my respected list. However,, we can only do so much. Some have proven beyond help. THe will look to find anything negative in anything that comes from this war, notwithstanding the benefits to the Iraqi people.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 4:33 pm

Again I am honored.

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Sat Mar 22, 2003 4:39 pm

This forum is full of hopeless souls...lost in their hatred of the United States, blinded by popular opinion...

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Sat Mar 22, 2003 4:41 pm

Apparently it is also propaganda to show a US Marine treating civilians who where caught in the crossfire.




Apparently is also propaganda to show Iraqi Troops surrendering.





Apparently it is also propaganda to have the media show a wonded Jarhead being carried off the field by a buddy.





Apparently it is propaganda to show US Marines tearing down false idols of Saddam



It must definatly be propagands to show Americans befriending children they encounter on their run in to Bagdad.






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Sat Mar 22, 2003 4:43 pm

People hate the US because they take us for granted. Without us there would have to start criticizing their own gov'ts...
 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 5:25 pm

Great pictures L-188. War time propaganda at its best eh?  Yeah sure Yep, thats the good ol' US of A, we're even worse then Hitler and Stalin rolled into one! Big grin

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Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:17 pm

A word about American military strength and propaganda.

It isn't propaganda if it is true.



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Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:43 pm

That's not propaganda, that actually happened and it was captured on tape.

Proof? It certainly looks like a photographic image to me (looking at it on the media image distribution sites)

Without us there would have to start criticizing their own gov'ts...

Flyboy .. If you had thought abuot that BEFORE you'd posted it you'd realise that we criticise our own governments just fine thank you ...

All: for all your bitching about the attitudes of others, take a look at your own attitudes. Some of you are so narrowminded and arrogant and so full of your own self imporance that you're wandering around these forums abusing all and sundry, arguing about statements others haven't even made. This is the attitude that people are complaining about, this aggressive anti-rest of the world atttide that leads to such loathing from others.

It's gone past the point of being funny, now it is just stupid.





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Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:47 pm

Propaganda is what the Iraqi Information Minister is putting out. I wonder why he is the only member of the leadership that has been seen in public lately.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/22/sprj.irq.war.casualties/index.html

He is reaching though.

A couple of Gems from him.


"We have calculated in a small area of Baghdad, 19 missiles fell. I went there and saw parts of these missiles -- 19 missiles in a very small area," he said. "Therefore I expect tons of missiles have been shot down by the Iraqis."

Iraq's information minister also said the United States is so desperate to show progress that it "kidnapped" thousands of Iraqi civilians and forced them to dress up like soldiers, pretending to surrender to coalition forces in the oil-rich Faw peninsula of southern Iraq.



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Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:56 pm

The other thing about the Iraqi Propaganda machine is that it isn't really that good.

During the first Gulf war they had this broad transmitting propaganda to our troops who was dubbed, "Baghdad Betty". Much in the same spirit at Tokyo Rose of World War II.

Anyway one day she announced to all the troops that they needed to go home right way because in their absence all of their wives and girlfriends where being unfaithful.

She said that all of the wives and girlfriends where having affairs with Tom Selleck and Bart Simpson...





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Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:46 pm

KLAX wrote:This forum is full of hopeless souls...lost in their hatred of the United States, blinded by popular opinion...
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Yup, thats just this forum, so you you can imagine the effect world-wide. As with Vietnam re: the War on Communism, the way the Bushies are conducting the War on Terror, its only a matter of time before anti-US terrorists are no longer necessarily Middle Eastern... and we get new versions of Bader Meinhof, Brigada Rosa, Symbionese Liberation Army (note how many were arrested in SFO the other day).
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:54 pm

That's not propaganda, that actually happened and it was captured on tape. The media has not said anything else other than what happened in that small town, so don't give me that BS Manni.

Horrible things has/will happen for sure, I wonder if someone will be there to "tape" this as well. If you give only positive images to population, the war will look as a good thing. This is probably what Manni called propaganda, and he's right, because propaganda is mandatory in a war. Don't expect to see dead civilians or US Marines on CNN. Nobody will be there to "tape" them even if it's one aspect of the war that will happen for sure.
Indeed Iraqi villagers welcome US troops, and it's a good thing. Will they say, "welcome and Good-Bye" or "Welcome and please stay at home" is another question....




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Sat Mar 22, 2003 8:35 pm

Well said OO-AOG, ADG and Manni.

They will of course not show the angry people and the anti americans. CENSORSHIP!
 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:04 pm

I thoguht we had already agreed that it was the anti-Saddam areas that were being liberated, which would explain the reactions showed above.

In case you haven't seen any negative images from the war, allow me to share:


By the way, how's the Turkish army doing up north. Last time I checked, the Turks weren't very happy with the local Kurdish population.
 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 10:03 pm

Killing the innocent on one hand and given water to the wounded on the other hand, how hypocrite.

BTW, all these wheeping warmongers here, did you also let your tears stroll down for those killed by the hand that gave the soldier on the picture water?
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 10:09 pm

Of course the US puts out propaganda, why wouldn't it? The UK will do the same. It is obvious that anyone in this situation will try to ensure that the coverage puts them in the best possible light, but that doesn't alter anything.

Just be cautious as to why certain things are shown, that's all. Don't be naiive about it, the battle for hearts and minds is on, and it is a battle that the US/UK/Australian forces need to win - I don't see a need to either deny it, or be defensive about it.

I don't doubt for a moment that the things shown in the photographs above are happening. Nor would I doubt that the allied forces would do anything other than treat prisoners and civilians with the utmost decency, whether or not cameras are on them, but sending this kind of thing back will undoubtedly aid the cause in the PR stakes.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 10:35 pm

Proof? It certainly looks like a photographic image to me (looking at it on the media image distribution sites)

The "proof" ADG is right before your friggin' eyes, but you made up your mind a long time ago that such things weren't possible, so you deny the proof that is right before your eyes. It goes back to a single fact: you laoth the U.S., and even when it's shown them acting in an honroable fashion, you deny it. You are an utter hypocrite, and you're below contempt.

The ADG's, Manni's, Sabena's, of the world, are pathetic souls. Even when mercy is being shown, they make it out to be sinister.

I wonder what the response of these people will be when the world media, not just the US media, shows them photo's of jubilant Iraqi's, greeting US/UK troops as liberators? It will piss them off to no end, because all these losers want the portrayal of the U.S. as this big, bad monster. That's why ADG and Manni and Saben are so pissed at these pictures of compassion. It blows the image of what they want the U.S. portrayed at.

You all can stick it, far as I'm concerned.
 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 10:43 pm

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Killing the innocent on one hand and given water to the wounded on the other hand, how hypocrite.

BTW, all these wheeping warmongers here, did you also let your tears stroll down for those killed by the hand that gave the soldier on the picture water?


Your right Manni we should have just gunned down that guy and all of his buddies trying to surrender, since that is what the Iraqi's would and have done in the past. No matter what you ,Sabena690, ADG, Scorpio and the likes will never admit Americans are chivalrous and compasionate that would ruin their image of us to them.


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Sat Mar 22, 2003 10:51 pm

Mercy is being shown Alpha 1?

Did you see the picture of US marines writing obscene things on cruisemissiles before hanging them on their aircraft?

'It blows the image of what they want the US portrayed at'

You wouldn't want to know what the image of your governement is in many places outside the US.

'The ADG's, Manni's, Sabena's of the world are pathetic souls'

Now you've lost it, ran out of arguments and resort to your usual practices, supported in the following posts by the usual, these supports from evenminded people help you to make you feel that you must be right. But in reality, Alpha1, you just cant stand critic towards anything that can be associated with yourself or the United States. Now that's pathetic.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 10:55 pm

Hey if I was forced to fight a dictator I would right, "A gift to Tojo" on the nose of the bomb too.....


































Oh wait...Wrong war.

But the point still stands, it is a moral thing for the aircraft ground crew. Been around forever.

I am sure that we could go back and fine some Roman soldier writing, "Hannibal is a midget" on his javelin.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:00 pm

I hope this war ends with out killing more civillians .

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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:06 pm

Galaxy5,

'Americans are chivalrous and compasionate'

Some of the US and British troops will perfectly match the above description, others burry thousands of Iraqi soldiers alive, with bulldozers.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:07 pm

Manni.....Where the hell did you get that from???
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:14 pm

L-188,

That's what happened in '91.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:16 pm

And where did you get that story from.....

Source please.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:21 pm

Did you see the picture of US marines writing obscene things on cruisemissiles before hanging them on their aircraft?

Manni, who are the obscene things being written to? The Iraqi people? The Republican Guard? They're being written to SADDAM HUSSEIN! Why do YOU give a fuck about the traditions of U.S. Airmen writing things about Saddam Hussein? Why does it BOTHER YOU that we're disrespeftful to a mass murder? Why?

You wouldn't want to know what the image of your governement is in many places outside the US.

Your warped, incorrect, and pathetic image of the will NEVER change. Even when the Iraqi people are welcoming us as liberators; even as we distribute food and medicine to their people; even as we spend OUR billions to reconstruct Iraq afer their scum dictator's 30-year run. You will STILL think we're evil. And don't tell me you just hate Bush, because you're a liar if you say so.

Fortunately, I don't put much stock in what someone like you, or Sabena, or ADG, or Indianguys says about the U.S. I know what you think is nowhere near the truth, so while I respond to your fantasies, they don't bother me as much as you like to think it does.  Smile
 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:26 pm

L188,

Here is a link (in French)

http://www.lemonde.fr/article/0,5987,3448--292267-,00.html

That story is well known. Some Iraqi soldiers were burried alive, don't you remember that ?
 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:27 pm

Even when the Iraqi people are welcoming us as liberators

Oh, you are in Iraq Alpha-1 ? I didn't know.
 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:34 pm

L'armée irakienne est submergée, ses soldats se rendent en masse, d'autres sont enterrés vivants dans leurs tranchées.

There is one sentence in this article where that is mentioned. No details? We dont get to know the circumstances?
From the same story:
L'ONU impose parallèlement à l'Irak un embargo très strict, qui aura des conséquences tragiques pour la population, tout en renforçant le régime et en enrichissant ses dirigeants.


Another wonderful article blaming the USA and the UN for the Iraqi people's suffering under the embargo.

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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:37 pm

Seb, nice try at humor. But don't act so stupid, OK? You know perfectly well what I mean. Watch your perfectly unbiased, uncensored media over there, and I think they'll even show you such images in the near future.
 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:39 pm

Sorry...but somebody is going to have to help me with that article.

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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:45 pm

uncensored media over there, and I think they'll even show you such images in the near future.

The 5 major French channels have shown ZILCH images of this nature, and have refuted any reference to this as "propagande".

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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:46 pm

Alpha1,

firing a cruisemissile that might kill innicent people is bad, writing obscene things on it is even worse, but calling it a tradition of US airman, now that's sad.

'Why does it bother you that we are disrespectful to a massmurder?'

Why do you need 300000 soldiers to kill just one person? Why do possibly thousands of others have to die together with him? Why are you deffending a person who has given the order to an illegal war?

'And dont tell me you just hate Bush, cause your a liar if you say so'

Your right Moron Dumbsfield is also on the list.

'Fortunately, I dont put much stock in what someone like you or sabena or ADG .... they don't bother me as much as you like to think it does'

Hahaha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy that last one cracked me up! That's why you've got more than 5000 posts in 2 years, of wich the majority are posted in the non-aviation forum on an aviation related discussionboard, and of wich a large number are posts written in a similar style as the above one. You sure got a lot of spare time to waste for something that does not bother you.  Big grin
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:47 pm

Sebolino:

From your link

February 22, the Iraqi dictator accepts finally a Soviet plan of evacuation of Koweït. Washington gives him 24 hours to be carried out and starts the terrestrial offensive in the night of February 24. The Iraqi army is submerged, its soldiers go in mass, others are buried alive in their trenches.

So because of half a sentence, buried deeply in an article that is patently anti-American (comparing our troop movements to Saudi Arabia in defense of that country and in preparation for the LIBERATION of Kuwait to the Iraqi annexation of Kuwait) we MUST have buried troops alive in the desert. please find me an entire article talking about this atrocity, or better yet, find me some pictures, like we have here to illustrate the true intentions of the American soldiers

(sarcasm)
We show you pictures of the American soldiers' compassion for the people they are liberating, and of course those pictures are false, because the American people, both civilian and military, could not possibly have any compassion for any people outside of our own borders. But using your (and other people like you) logic, why should we, because Americans have never travelled to any foreign country, nor have we studied history, but if we have, it has come from mass propaganda machine movies, because Americans can't read.(/sarcasm)

Your downward spiral to somehow justify your anti-Americanism sickens me.
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:50 pm

Why are you deffending a person who has given the order to an illegal war?

I wish we had left France and Belgium to the Nazis. We could have just imposed an embargo on you, and sent in inspectors to make sure you werent making any nukes... That way all those American, British, Australian and Canadian soldiers that died in June 1944 could have lived to see their wives and loved ones...


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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:57 pm

Alpha1,

firing a cruisemissile that might kill innicent people is bad, writing obscene things on it is even worse, but calling it a tradition of US airman, now that's sad.


God, but you're confused. You actually think it's WORSE to write graffiti about Saddam Hussein on a missle that it is to launch a missle that MIGHT kill a civilian? What kind of nut are you, Manni?

And it has been tradition for U.S. airmen to write on bombs since WW II. There were missles "addressed" to Hitler and Tojo all the time in WW II. And who the hell are you, some sympathizer of Saddam, to say this is sad or a problem? Who made you God?

Why do you need 300000 soldiers to kill just one person? Why do possibly thousands of others have to die together with him? Why are you deffending a person who has given the order to an illegal war?

How else are you going to get rid of his government, since the likes of France, Germany and Russia have been trying to protect him? How else can you get rid of this cancer when the UN didn't have the balls for 12 years to back up ther "severe consequences" rhetoric?

And why is "possibly" even in this discussion? If you base your whole arguement on "possibly" then you lose if that "possibly" doesn't materialize, as seems to be the case here. Many Iraqi's have obviously heeded the U.S. warnings to either stay at home and away from military encampments, or have fled into the desert, and so far, even the Iraqi government, which I know you take at face value, hasn't even commented on civilian deaths. Maybe that's because there aren't many, which, I know, ruins your imiage of the U.S.

As for Bush, I did not support the beginning of this war, but now that it's here, I want it over swiftly and with as few casualties as possible. I have two family members over there-cousins, in fact-and I'd like them safely home. I will make my voice known to the President in the next election, thank you.

As for the last sentence, Manni, you can rave on. You're obviously out of ammunition, if you want to stoop to such triviality. All you do is make yourself look even more foolish.
 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:58 pm

Galaxy5,

No matter what you ,Sabena690, ADG, Scorpio and the likes will never admit Americans are chivalrous and compasionate that would ruin their image of us to them.

Don't you EVER, and I mean EVER, accuse me of portraying American civilians or ordinary soldiers as unhuman. GOT THAT?
 
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Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:59 pm

'I wish we had left France and Belgium to the Nazis.'

Duh, seams pretty difficult to me considering that you in 1944 were about -40 years and I -30 years. You should not claim credit on what has been achieved by others and I do not need to show grattitude for what others have recieved.
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Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:02 am

Don't you EVER, and I mean EVER, accuse me of portraying American civilians or ordinary soldiers as unhuman. GOT THAT?

You "hang out" with that crowd on here, Scorpio. If you can't take the heat.....
 
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Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:06 am

Alpha 1,

I'm going to do something for which I admit I do have an annoying little habit. I'm going to ask you to prove your accusations. Show me a single post of mine in which I portrayed the American people or soldiers as unhuman. Just one. Until you are able to do so, all you posts in reaction to this one will be meaningless, and more proof of you talking out of your ass.
 
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Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:16 am

Alpha1,

If you really believe that civilian deaths would please me just because it will put the image of the US around the world in an even darker light your no longer a person I feel that I should discuss with. The most important thing that motivates me to protest against this war is the possible loss of their lives. I could care less about the image of the US at this stage and as long as your current governement is in office, but offering even one live to make it look even worse, jamais. Your a sad individual that you have to resort to these insults and you owe me an apologie.


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Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:17 am

L-188,

Here's another link to an article in which the bulldozers are mentioned:

http://www.oakridger.com/stories/010303/new_0103030022.html

From the link:

During the 1991 war, American tanks and other armored equipment rolled through the open desert quickly, taking out the Iraqi armored forces as they went. Aircraft pummeled enemy armor at will, and U.S. bulldozers trundled along the front line, burying surprised Iraqi troops in their trenches.
 
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Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:20 am

Very well said, Manni. I hope you don't mind I add you to my respected users list...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Iraqi Villagers Welcome U.S. Troops.

Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:23 am

Sounds like a perfectly legitimate way to get rid of guys shooting at you for me. Destroy their fighting position.

You made it sound like they where taking rows of prisoners lining them up and marching them into the hole.
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