I don't recall our guys dressing as civilians.
I notice your age bracket puts you younger than me and as I was born when my father was in Vietnam I think I can suggest quite categorically that you weren't there and therefore are not in a position to be able to "recall" anything specific about the war.
I don't recall our guys using civilians as human shields.
Is it sweeps weeks for Aussie Broadcasting company??
Nope, ABC is well known as the thinking mans radio station here in Australia. My father was in Vietnam and as with any conflict there was good and bad there, there was inappropriate behaviour. Indeed I remember reading that there were prosecutions of Americans after that conflict.
Certainly there is very little positive feedback from the Aussie VietVets that I know about the behaviour of some of the Americans. Indeed, i've heard some quite horrific stories .. (and yes, i've heard some very positive ones too). The issue here is that you are assuming that everyone behaves correctly, they don't. War is hell and it brings out the best in some and the worst in others.
Let them fight with dishonor, as far as I'm concerned. It will only disgrace their leader, their nation, their race and their faith. And, in the end, it will cause a few more American casualties, but, still, in the end, they will lose. Better to die with some honor than to live in shame.
Exactly. It's not how the enemy perform in a conflict, rather how YOU perform. Sad but a fact.
That's not to be callous about the American deaths, my friends. I have two family memebers in the area, and know full well it could, by the Grace of God, be them. It's that it doesn't shame the American or British Soldiers, it shames the Iraqi people; it shames the Arab race; it shames the Islamic faith.
I understand. But is it right to tar everyone because of the actions of a few? Do you blame those Iraqis who have laid down their weapons peacefully for the deaths of those soldiers? Do you blame those who are helping you in the war for the deaths of those soldiers? Because that's what it sounds like. Blame those who did it and anyone who supports the actions. They're the ones at fault.
Saddam's Iraq will lose, and some of those repsonsible for things like the execution of those soldiers, will face punishment. If some of the softer souls on here want to call that retribution, then call it that, but it will be deserved.
Alpha1: calling for their murder is retribution and wrong. Calling for them to answer for their crimes is appropriate.
I honestly think those of you who have absolutely no problem with this disgrace feel that way simply because it's Americans that are being killed and humiliated. So much for your own concern for humanity.
But some of us have a real problem with the actions but also a real problem with the hypocrisy of the whining that is going on. Indeed, looking at the pictures of the 5 prisoners i'm sickened by the sight. They are all so young :-(.
I don't think anyone here wants to see anyone dead. And I certainly do not wish harm to Americans who I still consider friends. However, what the heck did you expect to see when the US invaded Iraq?
I would expect both countries
to abide by the Geneva Convention inasmuch as they have signed it. I notice there is no discussion as to why america is not a signatory to any changes since 1955. Why is that?
Airplay, you should condemn the deaths of the POW
's. Even though you oppose the war you cannot blame the soldiers, they are simply doing their jobs. They can't pick and choose their wars. Blame Bush as I do, but not the military.
The U.S. doesn't hide behind women and children as you would.
You are wrong Thumper. That's one of the things that disturbed my father so much in Vietnam .. the use of HUMAN SHIELDS by the Americans. Not all Americans, not most Americans .. but it was done and he saw it .. it took him many years to get over the atrocities he saw in Vietnam, on BOTH sides.
So please don't be so fecking ignorant. ALL
militaries have their "bad apples", even yours (and yes, even mine). But in this war at this time, the Iraqis have done a very bad thing and I condemn that as much as i'd condemn the action regardless of who did it. There can be no justification for what is effectively murder. The Americans have every right to be upset if the reports we are hearing are true.