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Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:49 pm

The Pentagon is reporting that Hussein has given the go-ahead to use chemical weapons once the troops reach a certain limit near Baghdad.

I cant wait to see the replies that say: "Well, the US troops deserve it."
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:53 pm

Some will say that Jcs, like that sick puppy Indianguy, no doubt. But I have a feeling that even some of the American detractors on here will have to finally admit that the UN was wrong, and, grudgingly, Bush was right on this one, IF this event happens.

So let me ask all those on here that loath the U.S. so much: what WILL be your response if Saddam, that cat with 9 lives, orders the use of WMD's, which many of you said he didn't have, and they're used against Allied troops? What say you then?
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:01 pm

Well, if we thought this war wouldn't get ugly and that there would be limited US casualties, it appears we were mistaken...

I for one expect Saddam to throw everything he has at the troops as they get closer to Baghdad. There is no reason to think he would do otherwise. As for WMDs, I hope for everyone's sake Iraq doesn't have them, because I'm willing to bet they will come into play as a last resort. Scary stuff.
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:01 pm

I don't know what they will all say (probably some kind of spin blaming Bush, Blair, and the U.S. & U.K.) but I say we respond per U.S. policy regarding the use of WMD's against out troops.
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:07 pm

Maybe the coalition should hit them hard 1st before Iraq has the chance to use the WMDs.
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:08 pm

but I say we respond per U.S. policy regarding the use of WMD's against out troops.

Use of tactical nukes? Now THAT is one scary possibility. However, Saddam had been warned that this option remained on the table.

I doubt Baghdad would be a site they'd be used at, though. The Iraqis need Baghdad and its infrastructure for their future.

Now, if we're talking about troop emplacements in the desert...then that's another matter entirely.
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:11 pm

*sigh*

I for one certainly hope he doesn't have them OR use them. And those of you that wish he does to prove a point are sicko's!

I reckon Il96M is right on the ball, whatever Saddam has will be thrown at the Allies. Anyone who thinks he wouldn't do it obviously haven't seen the attrocities he's launched at his own people and his disgraceful track record.

As with the unsubstantiated rumours of chemical weapons plants, murdering of POW's and such - no one should be very surprised what the Iraqui's get up to or what they find. I'd hazzard a guess and speculate that we haven't seen the worst him and his forces have to offer.

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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:17 pm

I will also assert that if/when it gets catastrophically ugly over there, more people will be asking why we are in this war to begin with. Well, Bush wanted it, Bush got it.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:20 pm

"more people will be asking why we are in this war to begin with"

If they launch, Bush was right and people would know, whould they not?
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:21 pm

Wow, more distortion from the left. No one wants the Iraqis to use chemical or biological weapons. Personally, the only ones I hope we ever encounter in Iraq are hidden away in bunkers. However, if the Iraqis are crazy enough to use these, then Bush better show the balls to repay the favor.
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:24 pm

To get it right. The Pentagon isn't reporting this. A CBS reporter "quoted" unnamed US officials. Again, might I draw your attention to the word propaganda. What is being done is speculation on what Saddam may have or may not have ordered his troops to do. I must be one of the few people who is getting pissed at people passing speculation off as fact.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/25/1048354587756.html

"There is an analysis that he might reserve any chemical weapons until coalition forces got closer to centre of Baghdad"

Even Colin Powell has stated that it is mere speculation at this point.
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:32 pm

Interesting article, Scotty. Jcs, where did you get YOUR info? This is all speculation, nothing's been proven yet. Although I will stick by my original statement...this will most likely get VERY ugly before it's over.
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 3:39 pm

It should be expected sadly. At several sites that were recently hit, gas masks have been found with the Iraqi soldiers. It's not really a smoking gun, but why else would they have them with them? Hopefully, they will find out the Iraqi plan on when, where, and how before they know we know so they can stop it before it happens.
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 4:55 pm

Some will say that Jcs, like that sick puppy Indianguy, no doubt. But I have a feeling that even some of the American detractors on here will have to finally admit that the UN was wrong, and, grudgingly, Bush was right on this one, IF this event happens.

Well i'm not going to. Nor am I going to say the Americans deserved it. I do not feel that the existance of any chemical weapons jsutifies the actions, it just proves that the ASSUMPTIONS America made were accurate and nothing more. It does not prove that Iraq was any sort of risk to America and does not legitimise the war.

America knows Iraq *had* these weapons as they sold them many.

So let me ask all those on here that loath the U.S. so much: what WILL be your response if Saddam, that cat with 9 lives, orders the use of WMD's, which many of you said he didn't have, and they're used against Allied troops? What say you then?

Bummer. But surely you knew that he would fight to the death and use whatever he had? I get the impression that some felt the road to Bagdad would be paved in good intentions. How foolish.

Use of tactical nukes? Now THAT is one scary possibility. However, Saddam had been warned that this option remained on the table.

Isn't that admitting that you have WMD and are willing to use them? Doesn't that make a mockery of what this war is supposed to be about? Mind you, there is no doubt in my mind that the US will NOT take this course of action.

Scotty, you're surprised?





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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 5:45 pm

If they launch, Bush was right (...)

Is that so?
Wasn't one of the cons "Saddam could attack troops or Israel with his WMD? Quite exactly what we wanted to prevent?"

I wonder why so many people here assume war-protestors won't think Saddam has WMD. There was no clear evidence - but that's something different.
It is intellectually dishonest (at best) or outright ignorant (at worst) to postulate the Bush administration was right if Saddam is going to launch WMD.

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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 10:57 pm

I can imagine a lot of people will be delighted if Iraq uses chemical weapons. Sure, a few troops may die, but the US was right and the French weren't! Ha! Ha!
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Tue Mar 25, 2003 11:57 pm

Thank you Ilyushin96M!

When you attack a mad tyrann you should bear the consequences. If he get??s into the hopeless situation (which eventually will take place) he will freak out and use everything he has, and this means including WMD (weather he has it or not is a different case). and if this happens don't blame him, blame the guy who started the war.

you can't attack a mad dog and then expect him not to bite you! And after you got bitten, you start blaming the dog........

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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:00 am

Oh yes,

How would they be right? Who knows if they were even going to use any of these weapons for terrorism or to 'destroy the western world'. More likely they have them for this exact use, defending themselves. But no, thats not allowed, is it?

There is such thing as 'provocation' you know...
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:00 am

I cant wait to see the replies that say: "Well, the US troops deserve it."

Of course you can't. That's the only reason you posted this info.

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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:19 am

If WMD are used, that will be the final evidence that UN should have been given more time to disarm.
Especially because if they are used, many people will die, and these deaths could have been avoided.
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:27 am

There is no doubt in my mind as we get close to Baghdad he will use WMD. He does not care how many of his own people he kills. He only cares about his own survival. The U.S. will NOT respond with WMD ,they do care about the people of Iraq.If they didn't the war would be over now. When have you seen a war fought when the people go home and have running water and electricity. The people are being told to go home and stay in there houses and they will be safe. If as many on this site think America is a warmonger they would have taken Iraq out in three days.
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:41 am

Of course you can't. That's the only reason you posted this info.

It's a strange soul that lives to be hated.


Just making an observation, no reason to be a schmuck.
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:47 am

If WMD are used, that will be the final evidence that UN should have been given more time to disarm.

I would argue that the opposite would be true - that after 12 years inspections could not find them all, proving that someone had to go in a grab them. The argument is rather moot at this point, but how can any number of inspectors find something in a country that size if Saddam wanted to hide it?

I just hope and pray that they don't get used, or at least that all the U.S. and U.K. troops are well prepared for such an attack. I'm sure it's quite on their minds.

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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:47 am

Thumper:
you are talking US propaganda. ...You Say: .... we do care about the people of Iraq.....
.... the people are being told to go home...

At least a dozen of residential houses were bombed up till now, but of course on CNN and Fox you will only see a fraction of this.

If the US really cares about the people of Iraq they wouldn't have started the war at first place. Please don't start telling us that the US will free the people. The people are fine with themselves as long as no foreigners get involved.

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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:49 am

I read somewhere this morning that the Pentagon stated yesterday that no chemical or biological weapons had been found yet, was this not true?
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:09 am

Yep.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=1&cid=578&u=/nm/20030325/ts_nm/iraq_wmd_dc

It may take time. But some questions exist, like why are a lot of the Iraqi troops and emplacements being captured equipped with gas masks and other chemwar equipment?

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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:15 am

Um............perhaps in case Chemical weapons are used against them?

After all, the British did it to the Iraqis nearly 100 years ago!
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:01 am

At least a dozen of residential houses were bombed up till now..

A dozen homes, Amir-after how many sorties? Over a thousands? And you complain about "a least a dozen homes". You are naive to think that there will be no collateral damage, Amir, and you're looking for something to critsize. If you can only hear about a handful of homes being destroyed, then I'd say that's pretty damned good-especially since Iraq is known to put military hardware in civilian areas.

Conversely, despite Iraqi propoganda about how they'll win (snicker), you haven't heard them make wild claims about massive civilian deaths, have you? Why? Simple-the can't. The Allies are doing as much as they can to avoid civilian deaths, and that's pretty evident, your scorn aside.

Um............perhaps in case Chemical weapons are used against them?

Neither the U.S. nor the U.K. possesses chemical or biological weapons, Eg777er. The Iraqi's have the masks for one reason, and since the Allies don't have them, I'll let you guess the reason.
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:08 am

Hi Alpha_1

read my post carefully, you didn't get my point: iam saying that a war is going on out there and all kind of weapons might be deployed. Iam not arguing weather it was a dozen or not. By the way, if you would understand Arabic, you 'll better watch Arabic stations, of course they are biased some times (but still way better than CNN. Fox...) but at least you would have been able to count the civil houses damaged.

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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:27 am

. Amir: Thumper:
you are talking US propaganda. ...You Say: .... we do care about the people of Iraq.....
.... the people are being told to go home...

At least a dozen of residential houses were bombed up till now, but of course on CNN and Fox you will only see a fraction of this.

If the US really cares about the people of Iraq they wouldn't have started the war at first place. Please don't start telling us that the US will free the people. The people are fine with themselves as long as no foreigners get involved.

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Amir if you think the U.S. doesn't care about the people of Iraq you have been listening to the bullshit of Schroeder and Chirac to much. Of the thousands of sorties flown only a dozen residential homes have been hit proves they are trying to avoid civilians. If you think its fine for the people to be murdered, raped,tortured by a Dictator as long as no foreigners get involved you are one sick puppy.
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:28 am

Isn't that admitting that you have WMD and are willing to use them? Doesn't that make a mockery of what this war is supposed to be about? Mind you, there is no doubt in my mind that the US will NOT take this course of action.

ADG, do you ever tire of raising irrelevant or ridiculous questions merely to be a pest?  Insane

The question isn't about whether or not the U.S. has these weapons, but whether Iraq has them. There is not, nor has there ever been, a UN resolution demanding the U.S. relinquish its defensive weaponry.

Then again, you already knew that and simply wanted to change the subject when the discussion wasn't going your way.
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:44 am

The United States stockpile of unitary lethal chemical warfare munitions consists of various rockets, projectiles, mines, and bulk items containing blister agents (mustard H, HD, HT) and nerve agents (VX, GB). About 60% of this stockpile is in bulk storage containers; 40% is stored in munitions, many of which are now obsolete. The stockpile is stored at eight sites throughout the Continental US (Edgewood Chemical Activity, MD; Anniston Chemical Activity, AL; Blue Grass Chemical Activity, KY; Newport Chemical Depot, IN; Pine Bluff Chemical Activity, AR; Pueblo Chemical Depot, CO; Deseret Chemical Activity, UT; and Umatilla Chemical Depot, OR) and at one site outside of the Continental US on Johnston Atoll.

And here are where they are................... (near any of them Alpha 1???)  Big grin



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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:18 am

Eg777er, the U.S. has no chemical weapons. THE reason the U.S. has threatened to use tactical nuclear weapons on Iraq IF they fire Chem/bio wepaons is that, to the U.S. the use of such weapons is equal to nuclear weapons. The U.S. uses weapon for weapon-tank vs. tank, aircraft vs. aircraft, etc. Since the U.S. has no chemical/biological munitions, the counterpart to a chem/bio attack would be a U.S. tactical nuclear response.
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:25 am

"If WMD are used, that will be the final evidence that UN should have been given more time to disarm.
Especially because if they are used, many people will die, and these deaths could have been avoided."

Come on Sebolino. What would have the UN done to disarm Iraq? More resolutions? More speeches?
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:38 am

Um, why are you discounting what I've posted...........the evidence is there!

Which part of:

The United States stockpile of unitary lethal chemical warfare munitions consists of various rockets, projectiles, mines, and bulk items containing blister agents (mustard H, HD, HT) and nerve agents (VX, GB)

Don't you understand!?
 
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:48 am

Are some people here saying that, in order to show the world that the US was right, Saddam should use WMD?

So, would you prefer to be wrong and without a chemical and biological attack, or would you prefer to be right and swallow a couple of WMD's on US/UK troops?

I can only guess what some people would write on these board had Bush accused Saddam of possesing nuclear weapons...  Insane
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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 5:17 am

There is no doubt in my mind as we get close to Baghdad he will use WMD.

That says more about your mind than about Saddam Hussein.

The U.S. will NOT respond with WMD ,

The US are already using WMD, lets get real here.

they do care about the people of Iraq.

Do they? How do you know that?

If they didn't the war would be over now. When have you seen a war fought when the people go home and have running water and electricity.

There is a war being fought now and I have running water and electricity.

The people are being told to go home and stay in there houses and they will be safe. If as many on this site think America is a warmonger they would have taken Iraq out in three days.

You think that they haven't won the war yet is an indication that they're not warmongers? That's funny ....

Alpha1: there is certainly plenty of proof that AMerica has Chemical (and biological) weapons, i'm not sure why you keep denying that.




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RE: Saddam Gives Order To Use Chemical Weapons

Wed Mar 26, 2003 5:25 am

ADG....What WMD is the US using in iraq?


The US did have a large stock of Chemical Weapons. These are in the process of being destoryed.

There is an incinerator located at Johston Atoll and on at the Umatilla Army Depot in Oregon for destorying these shells.

A lot of those artillary shells and Mortar rounds that are chemical are for 8 inch and 4.2 howitzers and Morters respectively, neither of which have been be in US service since the early 1990's.
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