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France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Thu Apr 03, 2003 7:03 pm

Considering the incredible anti-French operation that occured in the USA and in the UK the last months, why are you (or do you act) so surprised that a part of the population is now against your countries ?

You were warned (here also) thousand times that spreading nonsense, lies and repetitive insults on France + pictures of worms ... in newspaper/TV/forums/street the way it happened (I mean it was enormous) would be dangerous for the long term relationship, but it was so cool to talk about the Cheese eating ... and worms , and losers, and idiots, and irrelevants, and bla bla bla ...

Don't be that hypocritical please.
 
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Thu Apr 03, 2003 7:16 pm

Not sure which way your argument is aimed

so

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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Thu Apr 03, 2003 7:18 pm

My argument is simple: If you insult a country during months, don't be surprised if a part of the country is reacting, even if the reaction looks bad.
 
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Thu Apr 03, 2003 7:26 pm

Ahh that i understand

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Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:45 pm

You were warned (here also) thousand times that spreading nonsense, lies and repetitive insults on France + pictures of worms ... in newspaper/TV/forums/street the way it happened (I mean it was enormous) would be dangerous for the long term relationship, but it was so cool to talk about the Cheese eating ... and worms , and losers, and idiots, and irrelevants, and bla bla bla ...


You forgot cheese eating surrender monkey's but thanks for the lovely warning BTW. I wouldn't say perminent damage is done to the US/France relationship but in my opinion it will never be the same, in a negative way. Does that make sense?

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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:53 pm

I didn't forget. I just didn't finish the insult.
 
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Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:00 pm

The US and France have been going at it for years, it's like a bad marriage. Why don't you take the house, we'll take the kids and consider it quits.

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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:30 pm

Common jokes are one thing.
But Senators and journalists calling French by all names was never seen before.
 
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Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:35 pm


I my opinion it is not one country against the other.


All countries have pro war groups that support each other.
All countries have anti war groups that support each other.


It is all a very non-national and very cross national movement.

Pro war group (mostly more right wing/conservative) also have the tendency to be more nationalistic and drive the discussion into the "one nation against the other" & "all rally behind the flag" direction.

It is more different ideologies and opinions then nations not agreeing

As far as France is concerned : every body loves/hates it.

Together bashing France unites some groups ???.

Basing Germany & Russia & China could be counterproductive....
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:36 am

...And the "Rosbeefs" insult was invented in response to the war? Yeah right. Give us a break, you are confused on the whole cause and effect concept. Anti-Americanism has been prevalent in your country for many years. I refused a ultra cut rate trip to France with my college French class in the mid-eighties because I did not want to take the abuse. The current American attitude regarding you country is NOT a product of some new imaginary "Operation" to give you a bad name. Your country calling the US arrogant is a freakin' punchline!! That sh*t don't flush here, Skippy!
Hell, your original post sounds so much like Monty Python and the Holy Grail's "I shall taunt you again a second time" scene that I have to chuckle!
Guess what? We don't care that you hate us now coz that is the way you've felt for decades. I know that not because of some media campaign to put down the kind citizens of France, it is because I have had family verbally abused in France, and I have talked to others who have experienced the same treatment. Finally, and you will of course scoff at this point, I do pay attention to news reports from outside of the US. I will not lose sleep because someone from France pretty much declares that they will maintain the status quo of disliking my country and its citizens.
We all reap what we sow, and I accept that the Iraqi war is not winning the US any popularity contests, but you are disliked because of years of, yes, French arrogance IN ADDITION to your recent bitch slapping of the US.

Again, I don't think many in the US are losing sleep because the French anti-Americanism.

Edit to correct typo.

[Edited 2003-04-03 18:39:31]
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:58 am

Ok we surry hear put your hand up if u like France, but if your french put both hands up.

Who wants france on there side anyways next time we have a war in Europe the losers get them cause we aren't gonna defend them or want there ponsay we disruptive tontos on our side.

put it this way you would rather have the Iraqi/German etc army infront of you than the frogs behind you.

The only evidence the french believe is when they see another nations flag is flying over paris. and only then do they want a war.
 
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:31 am

"Considering the incredible anti-French operation that occured in the USA and in the UK the last months, why are you (or do you act) so surprised that a part of the population is now against your countries "

yeah, like waht "Operation DeGaulle"?  Insane
 
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:03 am

Bmi330: The only evidence the french believe is when they see another nations flag is flying over paris. and only then do they want a war.

No, no, not so. You won't even be able to count the countless number of French wars over the years in Africa. Right up to this day.

For decades we have read cartoons day by day in the papers about the Foreign Legion in Africa. And now they are already in the shops assembled as thousands of those cartoons in whole books.
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:13 am

So what your really saying is the french like to throw there weight about against defenseless nations and there citizens that sounds familiar like kuwait in the early nineties when a bigger country invaded who was that again oh yeah Iraq so france are really opposing this war incase they are next. Tipical bully if you asked me cowers away when things get though but picks on the little guy.
 
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:14 am

"Again, I don't think many in the US are losing sleep because the French anti-Americanism."

very well said! I could care less what people in France think right now. Come to think of it, I have never really cared. Ever since I was a child I was told of the bad treatment Americans get in France. As I grew older the stories become more and more alarming. One friend told me she was asking a man for directions, he didnt speak any English to her. That was no problem until she noticed he was reading a newspaper written in English. Just lovely! So with attitudes like that for years and years, this new Anti-American wave is not a surprize. Nor do many of us care at this point. Its a shame it has to be that way, but there are plenty of other people and places around this world that are kind and welcoming to Americans in general. To those nations (Australia, Japan, England) I actually care for what they have to say!
 
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:20 am

English are a bit arrogant and talk funny all they say is "you what" and say eng-ar-land eng-ar-land and beat up the own police and attack opposition football fans.
 
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:22 am

"Come to think of it, I have never really cared."

Remember this the next time you call someone narrow minded or ignorant.
 
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:28 am

KaiTakFan,
Asking for directions in English was not their sin. Not being French was. When my brother went to France for his honeymoon, his new wife, who speaks fluent French, was berated for not speaking in the correct dialect for that region. That was the main incident I was referring to above. She got no help asking in French so that makes no difference if you happen to be American.

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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:38 am

I've spoken english plenty of times in France, sometimes it has worked, other times it has not. And regarding the english newspaper, after living in a french-speaking country, one of my observations was, that many people are able to read english, but many are afraid to speak it, because they think they suck at it.
In the beginning my french was very bad, and although I could read and understand much of it, I had a very hard time speaking it. I would try to approach people in english, they refused, then I tried with really crappy french, and they understood that their english was better than my french, and we continued in english.
I guess different attitudes give different responces..
 
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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:27 am

Chirac to European Countries who support the campaign to disarm Saddam's regime, "Shut Up".

US Senators are individuals who express their individual feelings, the US President, US Vice President, UK Prime Minister have not made any derogatory remarks towards the French.

Yet French President Chirac takes it upon himself as the leader of France to tell the Countries that voiced support for the US and UK lead campaign to "Shut Up".

I think your complaining about the wrong politicians, instead of worrying what the Senator from Virginia might say during an informal interview maybe you should be worrying what the President of France is saying at Official State Functions.
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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:50 am

I don't hate the French. In fact, I often make jokes poking fun at boycotters to my family (and my family thinks they are very funny, merci beacoup) But the last thing I fear from France is meaningful retaliation. The Frenchies have made a national custom out of preserving the status quo.

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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:57 am

I for one really think France is a great country that very few people understand, but that has its share of ultra-lamers. Alot of French people think they know about the United States, when in reality, they don't.

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Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:00 am

You guys say that you don't care what "the French" think about the US but you are shocked when you hear anti-American shit coming from France. That's not very logical, is it ?

And NO, I'm not confused between cause and effect.
Some anti-Americanism has always existed or I would better say some criticism, but never in the scale of this anti-French war we saw lately.
All these insults have had a bigger impact that you may think on the French "John Doe". Why ? Because we were told every day on the radio or in the newspaper what the British or American Newspaper were saying about our people, and that's something else than just some more or less funny jokes about surrendering.

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Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:09 am

"Because we were told every day on the radio or in the newspaper what the British or American Newspaper were saying of our people, and that's something else than just some more or less funny jokes about surrendering."

Oh, and the jokes are funny.

But you've got to realize one thing, Sebolino. While a few Americans might make jokes, and a few people might change the names of certain food products, there really isn't widespread anti-French sentiment in the US. I think "apathy" would be the most precise term to describe what Americans feel about the French. We simply don't care, and therefore we don't give much thought to it. In other words, no one is thinking about trashing the Statue of Liberty, or giving it back. We just aren't that emotional about it.

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Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:25 am

Just to back up NormalSpeed above, I agree. It seems to be quite the opposite of shock. The only thing that shocks most people, *in my opinion*, are events like the cemetery incident, and then the shock is simply at the surprise that any human could react in such a way, similar to seeing that semi-toothed Palestinian woman ululating(? that high tongue waving wailing) on 9/11.

Everything else is just the French being French.
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:28 am

"You guys say that you don't care what "the French" think about the US but you are shocked when you hear anti-American shit coming from France. That's not very logical, is it ?"

hurling insults at eachother is one thing. Desecrating graves is quite another, and very, very inflamitory.



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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:29 am

STT757, Chirac told that eastern european countries "should have keep quiet". He did not demanded them to "shut up".

"Shut up" means "ta gueule" in french.
Chirac told "il auraient mieux fait de se taire", which means "they should have keep quiet" in english.

I'm sure you already know this...
 
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:37 am

Cyril,

Whether he said "Shut Up!" or "should have kept quiet", isn't the issue. The issue is that he attempted to quell anyone from speaking. Chiraq should keep his "toilet shut"....

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Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:34 am

Who dose this french guy think he is telling people to shut up and telling them what to do in there country's, this cherac is an ass clown he is pi$$in me of even more now someone want to go and take power of this guy hes a idiot.
 
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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:36 am

But Senators and journalists calling French by all names was never seen before.

Well neither of these professions are built of creditable stock. One way to throw the light off yourself is to point it towards others.
 
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Fri Apr 04, 2003 9:18 am

Sebolino: You guys say that you don't care what "the French" think about the US but you are shocked when you hear anti-American shit coming from France. That's not very logical, is it ?

I am not shocked when I hear anti-American shit coming from France. And I could care less. France has made its bed and it can sleep in it.

Normal Speed: But you've got to realize one thing, Sebolino. While a few Americans might make jokes, and a few people might change the names of certain food products, there really isn't widespread anti-French sentiment in the US. I think "apathy" would be the most precise term to describe what Americans feel about the French

I have to disagree with you on that one Speed, normally I am with you on most things but most T.V., Radio,politicians and people I have heard say there is a lot of widespread hatred for the French. I have heard of Senators who want the U.S. to break all relations with France. Not saying I agree with them but I doubt these countries will ever be the same again.
 
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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Fri Apr 04, 2003 9:36 am

My argument is simple: If you insult a country during months, don't be surprised if a part of the country is reacting, even if the reaction looks bad.

Ok, let's get the formalities out of the way first...I don't hate France, and I don't judge a whole country based on the actions of a few...something YOU really need to start considering.

But...you are comparing insults, political cartoons, and "Freedom" Fries (which are actually Belgian) to the desecration of British War Graves. "Rosebeefs go home"...how cute..."Dig up your corpses, they are contaminating our soil"...Quite Charming. Look, that act was committed by some angry youths...not all of France, but don't be surprised if some hotheads in the US/UK look at this and use it as an excuse for all the anti-French insults...much like those hotheaded youths used the anti-French insults as an excuse for their act of vandalism. All your thread starter is doing is festering more hatred with statements like "you were warned". But mind you...for those hotheaded youths...there is NO excuse for what they did to those war graves.

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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Fri Apr 04, 2003 9:38 am

Oh and Cyril...nice try but Chirac did infact call Eastern European countries "not well brought up" and stated that they "missed a perfectly good opportunity to shut up". Maybe the French should be more worried about their fast sinking relations with Eastern Europe...as it seems everytime those countries express an opinion, Chirac snaps at them.

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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:06 pm

Boeing4ever,

I'm not trying to excuse unexcusable behavior.
I'm saying that all that could have been avoided if a certain press and some people who hold the power in the US didn't have reacted so violently against the French position about Iraq.
Of course, I'm not talking about you or every American/British. The problem came when we saw the big Anti-French titles in the biggest US newspapers.
At this moment, a part of the French population felt insulted - mostly teenagers, because they feel anyway the need to react to something -, and over-reacted. I don't approve it, but it's easy to understand why they did what they did.
 
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RE: France Opinion On US/UK: Don't Act Surprise

Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:20 pm

You know, there may have been stupid things like congressmen rennaming fries as "freedom" fries, but you haven't seen any Statue of Liberty replicas or 9-11 memorials trashed here in the US like what happened in France recently, now have you?

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