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Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:31 am

Dutch national TV team was embedded into an UK army unit to cover the war.

This because they were considered friendly, the Dutch governement supports the war (only verbally).

They were then told to report friendly & positively because they were on the coalistion side.

Today they decided to withdraw and go back into the field like most reporters.. to remain objective.

Question : Have all embedded journalists agreed to only show positive news ?
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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:40 am

Keesje, same in Belgium!

An American even told that the news only can be 'patriotistic'.

But no, the Americans are objective, nothing is biased, ...  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

Also the Belgian reporters want to go away, maybe they will be in the field very soon. And for example: because they did not agree, the Americans were dumping their dirt in the journalist camp, than it was burried, they do everything to hunt them away! And certainly the media of the countries that don't support the war.

You will see the same as in Gulf War one: only the positive things during the war (with some exceptions, because no-one would ever believe everything goes fine) and only some weeks AFTER the war, we will start to see all the bad things, that could not be filmed during the war, for propaganda reasons.
 
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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:05 am

Today they decided to withdraw and go back into the field like most reporters.. to remain objective.
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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:12 am

never considered Dutch TV to be pro-US in this...
They have taken every opportunity to blow setbacks and rumoured losses out of proportion to make the US look bad.
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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:19 am

You are aware of the fact that the US/UK Military invited all sorts of Foreign reporters (even from Arab tv) to ride along with their front line units.

They didn't have to, they didn't in the Gulf War.

Where else are foreign reporters offered such intimate contact with US and UK front line forces, they were fed and transported by coalition forces.

You guys are a little spoiled, seriously the mere fact that French, German, Arab, Dutch reporters are traveling with US and UK troops during this campaign is an unprecedented act of openess on the part of Coalition forces.

Your really missing the point, no where in history has such a campaign been so closely covered from so many view points.


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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:15 am

So where in the article does it say the Dutch media aren't embedded anymore?
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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:36 am


Well, they were lucky. A Portuguese team got arrested and beaten by the US military and accused of Spying for the Iraqi side. And they where from the state owned Portuguese TV. They were arrested with two Israeli reporters which have received the same kind of treatment.

Maybe being embedded ends up not being so bad for your health.
 
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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:13 am

Well, they were lucky. A Portuguese team got arrested and beaten by the US military and accused of Spying for the Iraqi side. They were arrested with two Israeli reporters which have received the same kind of treatment.
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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:15 am

You guys are a little spoiled, seriously the mere fact that French, German, Arab, Dutch reporters are traveling with US and UK troops during this campaign is an unprecedented act of openess on the part of Coalition forces.

Your really missing the point, no where in history has such a campaign been so closely covered from so many view points.


No you seem to be missing the point. Just because the military is being all kind and loving and allowing journalists to ride with them doesn't mean they have the right to tell them what to report.
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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:25 am

If your riding along with troops who are risking there lives are you going to report crap about how the war might not be going to somebody's plan? I don't think so. You don't like some of the certain requests then get the hell out of there. Nobody is making them do anything. Not happy then leave like some of the journalists at the Centcom briefings, they weren't getting what the wanted so the left. Too bad.

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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:32 am

"If your riding along with troops who are risking there lives are you going to report crap about how the war might not be going to somebody's plan? I don't think so. You don't like some of the certain requests then get the hell out of there. Nobody is making them do anything. Not happy then leave like some of the journalists at the Centcom briefings, they weren't getting what the wanted so the left. Too bad."

The reporters are there not to write Iraqi/US Propaganda...but to tell the TRUTH.
 
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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:41 am

Sabena690,

Just kind of funny see this topic reply 14. I got the idea from your words.

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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:51 am

Jwenting:

"They have taken every opportunity to blow setbacks and rumoured losses out of proportion to make the US look bad."

I don't agree with you on that one. As a matter of fact, Dutch TV didn't seem at all interested in this war until 7 days ago. They were all too occupied with the 'Princess Margarita' thing.

Now that they finally do inform about the war, I believe they do so in a correct manner and do not at all base their statements on rumours. When they inform of anything which they can't check for themselves, one of the basic principles of journalism, they do state so. That is the main reason why Wouter Kurpershoek (Dutch TV journalist mentioned in first post) decided not to work any longer as an 'embedded journalist' as the information he was provided with could not be checked by either himselve or other independent sources.

STT757:

"You are aware of the fact that the US/UK Military invited all sorts of Foreign reporters (even from Arab tv) to ride along with their front line units."

Only the embedded reporters get all kinds of facilities, like satellite uplinks to send their pictures and sound (either live or not) back to their home-bases, direct access to information provided by the military, some sort of security while 'on the road', etc.

"They didn't have to, they didn't in the Gulf War."

The allies didn't allow for any media to be embedded with their forces, during the First Gulf War.

"Where else are foreign reporters offered such intimate contact with US and UK front line forces, they were fed and transported by coalition forces."

This is a first time in history that this has happened. Actually, there are more reporters working in the area independently, than there are embedded reporters.

"You guys are a little spoiled, seriously the mere fact that French, German, Arab, Dutch reporters are traveling with US and UK troops during this campaign is an unprecedented act of openess on the part of Coalition forces."

Its also in the interest of the Coalition Forces to have foreign reporters embedded with their troops. I'd even say that the Coalition Forces have more interest in having foreign reporters embedded, than having US or UK reporters.

"Your really missing the point, no where in history has such a campaign been so closely covered from so many view points."

Yes, and no. These embedded reporters do have limitations, as described above. These limitations were apparently too strict for Dutch TV and others, that they decided not to go 'embedded'.

Now I know it is really nice to have a webcam placed on a tank and we can all see them driving through a Iraqi dessert while the reporter tells us they haven't found any resistance, but as long as the information cannot be verified, there is not much value in the information provided.

Kappa13:

"If your riding along with troops who are risking there lives are you going to report crap about how the war might not be going to somebody's plan?"

Well, believe it or not but its the job of a reporter to report on what is happening, wether they like it or not.


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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:06 pm

TechRep, I'm not following, what do you just mean? Am I patriotistic? No, that's you. Am I pro-France? Besides I like the anti-war attitude of Chirac, I have never been a fan of him. What does 'courtesey' mean? Maybe I find the answer in that thread, but don't have the time to read it

For the rest: good point made by Kappa13  Yeah sure Not the truth must be told, but what the yanks like to hear  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:01 pm

I'm sorry, but they cannot and must not report the whole truth.

In the days of newspaper journalists imbedded in military units, like in WWII, the story might take weeks to make it to the newspapers, so the reporter could say where he was and what they were trying to do, for the most part. Now with videophones, a reporter has the power to immediately hand over to viewers (and the enemy) where they are and what they are doing, right now. That's dangerous. This is why that fool G. Rivera got booted out. Of course reporters are naturally going to want to report on plans they've overheard, where they are etc. That is in their nature - it's what they do. Imbedding reporters is a means to be able to have a minder next to him making sure he doesn't endanger the troops or the operation at hand.

Reporters can shoot as much footage as they want, and add detailed commentary including operational information, but must save it for a documentary after the war.

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RE: Dutch TV No Longer Wants To Be Embedded In UK Army

Fri Apr 04, 2003 9:45 pm

Erj190.... I never knew that Geraldo Rivera was Portuguese
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