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Al Jazeera Better Than Sex?

Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:12 pm

DESPITE being mostly knocked offline, the website of Arab satellite news network Al-Jazeera drew three times as many search queries on Lycos last week as the perennial favourite, "sex".

 Wink/being sarcastic




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Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:20 pm

well we are obviously well and truely screwed now  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:21 pm

April fools day finished 5 days ago, it is still on in Australia?
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Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:23 pm

Nope

Did we really need to tell you that
 
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Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:25 pm

Well I'll be damned....

Which country is Al Jazeera based in?

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Sat Apr 05, 2003 10:39 pm

Which country is Al Jazeera based in?



I believe Qatar. Ironic that U.S. main ops base is there.  Laugh out loud
 
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Sat Apr 05, 2003 11:14 pm

Hehe yeah. Centcom briefing ended not long ago & I wish General Tommy Franks did the press briefings more often, he’s an excellent speaker & direct to the point (not as direct as Donald Rumsfield though, lol), his subordinates don’t do the job quite as effectively in addressing the media.

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Sat Apr 05, 2003 11:15 pm

Is there an english version of Al Jazzerria.

I keep getting just the Arabian version and there isn't a link on the page to an english version
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Sat Apr 05, 2003 11:24 pm

Is there an english version of Al Jazzerria.

http://english.aljazeera.net

Many ISPs stateside have blocked access to it however, so you may have to go through a proxy.
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Sat Apr 05, 2003 11:26 pm

Thanks will find out in a second.....




Yup. Comes up for me.
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:24 am

This is only a sort of "special" on Iraq and is only a analysis and not a news website like the main Al-Jazeera website, the editor is Joan Tucker and it is a seperate team than the main Al-Jazeera website. A full fledged english website should come online before May and the english language channel towards the end of this year or in 2004.

I honestly felt that the english website is quite biased and I didn't like the fact that they are concentrating on analysis.

Arsenal,

This is no April fool joke. Search for some articles and see.
 
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:26 am

Looked through a coupe of items but based on what you said, there may not be much resemblence to what is on the main page.
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:42 am

L-188,

I think it may have something to do with the fact that they still haven't got all the staff they needed. The english website was hurried to capitalise on interest from the war. They want to avoid just having translations of the main website and because they don't have the resources it is very difficult to have up-to-date news and so that is why they have transformed it into a an analysis website which is far from balanced.

BTW I thought you might be interested L-188, Peter Arnett has been hired by Al-Jazeera's (The Peninsula) new rival the Saudi-backed Al-Arabiya (The Arab) channel.
 
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:44 am

QatarAirways, i was referring to the fact that there is a huge number of threads started by Australians.  Big grin
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:08 am

Or is that in one had they want to appeal to the Islamic Masses but at the same time want to show the western world that they are a serious news source, so they tuned down the retoric.
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:22 am

I just scanned the English version of Al Jazeera. They lead with the assertion that Iraq has retaken Baghdad International, even as US helocopters are landing there. It talks about serious fighting in Karbala, even as other networks say Karbala is secure.

In essence, it leads with the slant that Iraq would like you to believe. Anyone who said they're unbiased is crazy.
 
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:36 am

Or just report the facts slightly differently to the way the AMericans do.

I remember seeing a documentary on film making.
The Scenario, travilling across Sydney Harbour on a cruise.
@ different versions giving two different perspectives. One nice and friendly, one not. Yet everything shown was true

The friendly way, Nice breeze blowing on pretty girls enjoying a laugh, nice subtle music. Nice scenery etc etc

The bad way, whinging kids, someone getting seasick, loud noises like the engine thumping away, the seagulls screeching etc etce

The point is, the same views can be presented more ways that one. I am more inclined to believe the American scenario (who wouldn't) but not naive enough to believe they are not showing you the way they want it presented.
 
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:38 am

L-188,

I am not sure, Arab media is at a spectrum just like anywhere else in the world. You have some which are Anti-American and have the typical blame everything on America and Israel attitude such as:

-ANN - Arab News Network: The channel is extremely biased and it is totally unproffesional, what place does a call-inn psychic show have in a "proffesional" news network.

-Al-Manar (The Light or The Luminence)>: This channel is backed by Hezbollah of Lebanon and pretty much thrives on rhetoric.

-[Replace with name of (non-Gulf) Arab Country] Channel: Pretty Much similar to ANN (see above)

Some show a fair level of objectivity like Al Arabiya.

Then comes Al-Jazeera, the revolutionary thing about Al-Jazeera is that for the first time Arabs had an outlet to express themselves freely, Al Jazeera allows goverments dissenters and other oposition groups to critisize there regimes and this is why Al-Jazeera faced a lot of problems including a ban in several arab countries, an advertisement boycott because "Al-Jazeera is a zionist mouthpiece". They are also fairly objective and always have interesting debate shows where they discuss issues which were previously taboo such as Sex, Terrorism, Polygamy, Repressive regimes, Democracy, secularism etc... Also they always have US and Israeli analysts, journalists and officials to particpate which was unheard of before in the Arab world.

At the other end of the spectrum you have Kuwait TV which is similar to FOX in many ways. They always glorify the US/UK forces, and try to sanitize war. This is understandable I guess because of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and the horrors they witnessed.
 
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:41 am

Alpha 1,

The Arab version says something different about the Airport. Oh and mone more thing, Al Jazeera said Al-Sahaf (Minister of Information) claims that they have regained the airport. From Al-Jazeera (excerpt from article):

"US commanders moved to beef up their presence overnight at the airport, calling in soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division and the 94th battalion to reinforce the 3rd Infantry Division which spearheaded the attack on the facility.

The arrival of the extra troops raises the number of US soldiers at the airport from an estimated 1,500, possibly opening the way for it to be used as a forward base in any battle for the sprawling city of five million people.

These reports appear to disprove claims made by Iraqi Information Minister Mohamed Said Sahaf today that US forces involved in securing Baghdad's airport are isolated.

Sahaf insisted that Iraqi forces had succeeded in expelling the coalition troops from the airport, which US military officials said was under their control on Friday. He said he was planning to organise a trip for journalists to the airport to prove that the coalition troops were chased out of the airport."

How is this different from this http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/05/sprj.irq.sahaf/index.html

"It talks about serious fighting in Karbala, even as other networks say Karbala is secure."
Remember Basra and Umm Qasr? Do your remeber what was said about those two places in the beginning of the conflict by coalition forces? Another thing the Arab website has updated news while the English website is more of a newspaper with hardly any breaking news, so this could just be outdated news from the fighting and when they update the website overnight you will see what happened in Karbala. BTW CNN has also said that there was heavy fighting in Karbala too.

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Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:47 am

Yes, QatarAirways, I do remember: the reports were that there was stiff resistance, and because of it, there was difficulty in getting the aid into Iraq. It said that the fighting was more fierce than anticipated.

What's your point?

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Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:00 am

"What's your point?"

On the first day coalition forces said that they secured Umm Qasr which was untrue. Even a few days into the conflict there was still resistence in Umm Qasr and it was not secure. My point is that the same could have happened in Karbala.
 
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:01 am

QatarAirways, they said it was "secure, but not yet safe". Which means they had control of the port, but that there were still serious pockets of resistance. THAT is what was said on ALL American networks.

So much for that.
 
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:28 am

From one article:



'Dirty war' allegations cut both ways

The latest came from Pentagon spokesman, General Stanley McChrystal on 5 April in a briefing to reporters.

But he seemed to be taken by surprise when an American journalist asked him to comment on the the fact that sections of the US-led force routinely operate out of uniform.

His response was one of pregnant silence, as if struck by the reminder that US-led special forces are working in Iraq without uniform.



"No one imagines that secretive special forces units, such as Delta Force and the SAS, walk around behind enemy lines in their uniforms."


AFAIK, this is not true. Rangers and U.S. Special Forces operate in camo outfits suited to the terrain they will operate on. Granted, they don't wear giant Red and Yellow bunny suits, but they do have "uniforms".

This part of the article was the icing on the cake:

"Of more concern is the claim that civilians feign surrender, lure US troops into weak positions and then ambush. Victoria Clarke, the Pentagon spokeswomen in Centcom, describes this as the ‘deadly deception.’ So far there has not been any independent confirmation of these reports but, like the heightened threat of human bomb attacks, they have raised the suspicion that they may simply be deployed by US-led forces as a pretext for an aggressive policy against an unwelcoming Iraqi population.

Well if that isnt biased I dunno what is. We're lookin at Roy's favorite news source here.

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Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:32 am

I think you may be missing the point Alpha1,

Coalition Forces said that Umm Qasr was secure but there was "serious pockets of resistance" as you said. Then Karbala could still be "secure" but still have "serious fighting". What I am trying to say is that even if the place is secure as coalition forces say it doesn't mean no fighting is going on.
 
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:40 am

Yeah and American news sources are reliable?

*FOX* springs to mind as do others...

Particularly the ones that *kept* the Pricilla Bus and associated Drag Queens out of the closing ceremony pictures of the 2000 Olympics.

And it's not even about discrimination.. They are too worried about upsetting their bread and butter mid-western trailer trash audience rather than being truthful.

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RE: Al Jazeera Better Than Sex?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:11 am

I honestly felt that the english website is quite biased and I didn't like the fact that they are concentrating on analysis.

Find a media website that isn't.

QatarAirways, i was referring to the fact that there is a huge number of threads started by Australians.

I'm not sure I understand the relationship between Australians starting threads and April Fools day. Mind you, there was an Australian behind the best April Fools joke I saw that day.

QatarAirways, they said it was "secure, but not yet safe". Which means they had control of the port, but that there were still serious pockets of resistance. THAT is what was said on ALL American networks.

Secure but not yet safe really translates to insecure. I am so enjoying the US media... but you must admit that both 'sides' (for want of a better word) are biased in the manner in which they report things. It is difficult to take the media seriously in this issue because of that.

As for the comments of people being out of uniform ... I only need to give you three letters on that.

C.I.A.





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Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:21 pm

The point being is that I take into suspicion any news site that makes an english version and a native language version that aren't mirror images of each other.


In Al-Jazeera's case that appears to be what they are doing, giving both sides the info it wants and will generate the best ratings for it.
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Sun Apr 06, 2003 3:09 pm

L-188,

You should take any media source with a grain of salt, none of them have proven themselves to be unbiased and accurate at all times.

Me, I like the Iraqi Information Minister .... "we have routed the Americans", "we have taken back the airport" and my personal favourite ...

"there are no Americans in Baghdad".  Wink/being sarcastic

Can't beat him for accurate news resporting (not) ....  Laugh out loud



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RE: Al Jazeera Better Than Sex?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:26 pm

Bron, the C.I.A. are spies, not members of the armed forces. They do intelligence and espionage stuff. They arent with the grunts shooting back at Iraqi troops. Point is, no Iraqi troops at the front have to "distinguish" U.S. troops from civilians.

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