clipperhawaii
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Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:00 pm

In November 2001 Al-Jazeera's Kabul office was destroyed along with their equipment by a U.S. missile. No injuries were reported.

Now, moving forward April 2003, Al-Jazeera's Baghdad's office is destroyed in the Monsul district of Baghdad by an A-10. This time a camera man was injured and one person is missing.

I wonder, was Al-Jazeera just in the "wrong" hot place? Or ....?

It's usually the press that fires the shots. Must be tough to be on the receiving end!

Roll On!

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Glenn
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:16 pm

What are you suggestion teh Americans are supressing free speech.

No surely not, we are teh good guys remember
 
Glenn
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:52 pm

Well a second attack on teh Jouros.
Fox reports snipers in the building, Journos on teh scene deny it.

David Chater even reports it was deliberately targeted. Is stumped why they were attacked and not the buildings 2 down that had the bad guys
 
United777
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:29 pm

All Jazeera and Abu Dhabi are not in the Palestine hotel. They are the only two media org. that is are allowed to stay outside the Palestine Hotel. The Iraqi government makes all other media org. to stay in the hotel.

There were to separate bombing. The one on Al Jazeera killed the reporter ( a well known reporter). There are reports three bombs were dropped and there was an aircraft flying over head minutes before. All Jazeera is based in a residential area of Baghdad so again why is there bombing going on in a residential area. I think it's funny there office gets bombed in Afghanistan and Al Jazeera did not say anything just thought it was an accident bombing but now they get bombed in Iraq.

What does the US have against Al Jazeera.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:30 pm

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ADG (speeling police)


 
Guest

RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:43 pm

Whoa, this is a completely stupid move by the allies (or Americans if it was just them) on bombing Al Jazeera.

We probably need the dust to settle but it will look to the Arab world that it was deliberately hit.

*stoopidest move I have seen*

mb

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Glenn
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:48 pm

maybe thaT'S WHY THE OTHERS WERE HIT, TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN ACCIDENT.

But how can teh Mercans now say with a straight face that they don't target civilians, when they struggle with identifying a Gun or a Movie Camera.

I believe that they don't do it deliberately, but I also wonder if they take the time to get a proper Ident first.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 7:12 pm

Al-Jazeera gave the pentagon a breifing on the location of there offices including coordinates and the description of the building, coupled with the fact that the building is in a residential area I have a hard time believing that this is an accident. I just can't wait for the murder apologists to come here and try to justify it.

Abu Dhabi TV were also targeted and the Palestine hotel was also targeted. The missile hit the floor where Al-Jazeera, Abu Dhabi and Reuters are located.

It was heartbreaking to see the footage on Al-Jazeera the reporter who brought the news of his colleagues death. The camera was filming when the reporter was hit.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 7:24 pm

Qatar,

As we have seen in this war the propaganda from the American side is appalling to say the least.

I wouldn't be surprised if AJ was hit deliberately.

HOWEVER:

I am not making an excuse for them but anyone who is stupid enough to hang around a city that is under seige is asking for trouble.

Precision missiles and intelligence indeed.

mb

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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 8:06 pm

Now they've 4 Reuters guys. They attacked the Palestine hotel and claim there were snipers in it, however I've heard 2 different journalists reporting that they didn't see or hear any snipers in their building. They're pretty much shocked there at the moment.

[Edited 2003-04-08 13:18:39]
 
erj190
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:14 pm


Again some idiots in the US military are showing their real face. Shooting Al Jazeera in Afghanistan could be an accident.

Two accidents, are just too much to believe in coincidences.

Unless the US show pretty good reasons, I assume this was deliberate.

The US administration forced NBC and the National Geographic to fire Peter Arnett, but of course if you can't actually press Al Jazeera TV station to fire a reporter, you do it the cowboy way, you just shoot it down.

After all, who cares, it is just another stinking Arab.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:39 pm

The Iraqi government makes all other media org. to stay in the hotel.

WHAT Iraqi government? Seems, as of yesterday, there's no such thing.

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I'm glad you pointed that out to them, ADG. It was bugging me. Teh, er, the guys need to learn how to spell  Big grin

We probably need the dust to settle but it will look to the Arab world that it was deliberately hit.

Mx, no matter what happens, the Arab world will be told by the Arab press that it was deliberate, that everything is deliberate.

Unless the US show pretty good reasons, I assume this was deliberate.

Again, Erj190, I'm not surprised. You feel that way because that's what you want to believe, nothing else.

The US administration forced NBC and the National Geographic to fire Peter Arnett

Peter Arnett was fired by them for violating his contracts with them. He failed to get permission from both to do an interview. Of course, you'll believe the line of bullshit you put forth.

Of course you believe that, because we're just stinking Americans, right?



[Edited 2003-04-08 14:45:26]
 
cicadajet
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:47 pm

Yes, two "accidents" - it *must* be impossible.

The plan must've been to kill arab reporters to make the post war period easier.

Reuters must've been targeted to just make it look good.

Never mind all the friendly fire incidents - they must've been deliberate too.

Good analysis.
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:52 pm

The plan must've been to kill arab reporters to make the post war period easier.

ROTFL. You're joking, right? A few arab reports are not going to make any difference in the post-war period. None at all. Talk about grasping at straws.

It may have been deliberate, no doubt, but is that any more abomnable than suicide attacks, fake surrenders or executing POW's. If you're looking for angels, you won't find them in warfare.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:54 pm

The reporters in American AND the military say there was a sniper. All jounalists interviewed so far at the hotel that I have seen have indicated that there was NO firing.

Caught in the crossfire? Maybe
Murdered? Maybe





ADG
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:07 pm

Time someone got back to the Osama News Network IMO, they had it coming.

Planned target? Unlikely.
Pilot taking potshots with some leftover bombs at someone who pissed him off? Possibly.
Mistaken identity? Possibly.
I wish I were flying
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:36 pm

It was sarcasm Alpha.
 
Turin_airport
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:36 pm

A fuc*ing U.S. tank has just killed two journalists, firing against Palestine hotel. The said there was a sniper in the hotel and decided to kill him with a M1A1. Good, very good... (as clever as try to kill Osama Bin Laden bombing a country with a bunch of B52s).

T_a
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:43 pm

Turin_airport, naturally, you'd go up to OBL, tap him on the shoulder, and say "please sir, come out of your cave and surrender."

Tell me, how would you get OBL, if he's deep in a cave?

 Laugh out loud
 
erj190
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:54 pm

People, The US admitted the firing at the Palestine Hotel, killing two reporters, because there were clear pictures showing the M1 Abraham aim at the hotel and fire at the hotel.

Without those pictures, they would still be telling us they were working on it, they were assessing the information coming from various sources, they would carefully analyze the situation. We still have limited intelligence of the issue.

But, coincidence of coincidences, there where various guys showing the American tanks LIVE.

The shots are obvious. The cowboys just started shooting. Those reporters are a pain in the neck.

And Alpha_1

I am getting used to your clear, documented and argumentative opinions.
Mr. De LaPalicce wouldn't have put it better, Yes!, why?, well, because!
De LaPalicce is also known to have been killed in the last day of his life. Can you imagine that?
Thank you for your enlightened comments.

You actually believe that it is possible to win the LOTTO twice in a row. It is possible, but it is a question of probability.

The law of probability tells me that it would be possible for an American plane to bust AL JAZEERA once (Afghanistan). It was strange, it was dubious, but we should give them the benefit of the doubt.

But twice?, well, that is too much, I am not believing in something just because I want, I am making logical numerical deductions, unlike you, that whatever hideous crimes the Americans commit, will always find some flimsy excuse based on some silly argument taken out of the US media bad-excuse-shelve, ready to use and as always, predictable.

Please remember, most people, are actually used to think by their own heads, and are used to check, recheck and make self assessments.

The conclusion that AL JAZEERA was targeted by the US military is THE logical one to take. Unless the US military come out with a VERY, VERY good excuse - because the usual one just doesn't work, (because of the law of probability).

Facts are facts, numbers are numbers.

They are trying to avoid Saddam to contact with the troops. The US military clearly knows that TV and radio are the obvious means Iraqis are using. There is no other mean of communication.

So, you start hitting the reporters, because they are the next obvious link. You don't just bust AL-JAZEERA and ABU-DHABI TV you also target the western media. With luck they will get scared and will stop transmitting.

After all, yesterday they were showing those Bradley's in the other side of the Tigris river, and saying it was strange that they were not hit, because they were sitting ducks (Portuguese TV channels and one French TV said that - I don't know about others).

It's just sad, war is dirty, and some people want to show it desinfected, as if it was possible.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:01 am

FACT: The Iraqi govt kicked Al Jazeera out of Iraq.

FACT: The Iraqi govt kicked Al Jazeera out of Iraq again in the last several days and theit Iraqi PR guy made it clear that Al Jazeera is not well liked

FACT: They are reporting inside a battlezone where yes, people may be injured...get over it.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:04 am

Alpha1, why not? Maybe he's so polite to come out!  Smile

Seriously, mine last sentence was just a quip (maybe it's useful to use a B52 to find Bin Laden, I don't know).

What is important now is that a "friend" tank fired intentionally against innocent people. No mistake, just the clear will to fire. And what is much more ashamed is that they say they were trying to kill a sniper...

I know things like these can happen during a war, but this is not a good reason to let it go: who gave the order and who fire should be persecuted as criminals (IMO).

T_a
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:07 am

Without those pictures, they would still be telling us they were working on it, they were assessing the information coming from various sources, they would carefully analyze the situation. We still have limited intelligence of the issue.

Amazing that someone with your insight can tell us that with absolute, 100% certainty. Of course, there's no way to prove if you're just full of hot air or not, so it's easy for an armchair quarterback like you to make such stupid statements, isn't it, without having to back anything up?

Please remember, most people, are actually used to think by their own heads, and are used to check, recheck and make self assessments.

I've noticed you don't fall into that category, Erj. When presented with something you don't like, you fall into your standard "cowboy" routine to talk about our troops. That's not thinking with your mind. It's because you don't have anything original to say, is that not right?

So, you start hitting the reporters, because they are the next obvious link. You don't just bust AL-JAZEERA and ABU-DHABI TV you also target the western media. With luck they will get scared and will stop transmitting.

ROTFLMAO!!! Yes, after letting them report on the American soldier who blew up his own comrades; after letting them report and show pictures of POW's on TV; after letting the report, and show picutres of, executed GI's; after letting them report on all the "friendly fire" disasters, which embarrass the Armed Forces. NOW, you say (snicker), that they're going to target the western journalists, to try to cow them.

And, you can actually say such a thing-such an idiotic thing-with a straight face? And you're SERIOUS?

Erj, if you start from such a premise, there's no point in even debating with you, because if you TRULY believe that's what will happen, then any time a reporter dies-even if it's shown to be an Iraqi round that did it, you'll preach your nonsense that the U.S. killed him.

I don't agree with Bush's push for this war. I wish it hadn't taken place. But having said that, what you said was an insult to the American people, and absolutely disgusting.

You say such crap, but not a word of anger or anything, at all the reports of human shields or civilians being killed as a weapon of fear by Iraq.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:41 am

ROTFLMAO!!! Yes, after letting them report on the American soldier who blew up his own comrades; after letting them report and show pictures of POW's on TV; after letting the report, and show picutres of, executed GI's; after letting them report on all the "friendly fire" disasters, which embarrass the Armed Forces...

Take a look at http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/video/070403_s3c3.ram . It's a video of NBC showing Iraqi POWs. Definately not as bloody as Al Jazeera's reporting but a breach nevertheless.

And while I'm on the topic of media during this war I've had the chance to view some of Fox's coverage. The examples I saw were more cowboyish sounding commentaries rather than reporting. Simply pathetic.

I have to say that as morbid as it may sound I'm glad that we here in Oz had a chance to see the Al Jazeera footage of the POWs and the dead. It's an unsanitised view of the war and one that truly brings the horrors of war home. A view that clearly the people in Washington really want to keep behind closed doors.

Dean
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:45 am

Amazing, DeanBNE, all those people on here who decry civilian casualties, yet most of them are almost eager to see the footage of torn up bodies and the like. A bit of a hypocrisy, perhaps?

I don't have a problem with not showing a mangled body, a unrecognizable face. If you show a picture of a dead person at close range, or a medium range shot, without being gory, the same point is driven home-that war is a bloody, nasty, horrible business. If you want the blood and guts, for some perverse reason, go right ahead. I don't see the need for it.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 1:02 am

Gotta love the old adage: the best form of defense is offense.  Big grin

Amazing, DeanBNE, all those people on here who decry civilian casualties, yet most of them are almost eager to see the footage of torn up bodies and the like. A bit of a hypocrisy, perhaps?
Me thinks 'hypocrisy' is the most widely used and abused adjective on ANet.  Insane

If you want the blood and guts, for some perverse reason, go right ahead.
I don't particularly want to see the 'blood and guts' but neither do I wish to have my head in the sand. I live in a democracy so I don't appreciate it when a government attempts to dictate what I can and cannot view.

 
erj190
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 1:29 am

"... Without those pictures, they would still be telling us they were working on it, they were assessing the information coming from various sources, they would carefully analyze the situation. We still have limited intelligence of the issue.

Amazing that someone with your insight can tell us that with absolute, 100% certainty. Of course, there's no way to prove if you're just full of hot air or not, so it's easy for an armchair quarterback like you to make such stupid statements, isn't it, without having to back anything up? ..."


The absolute 100% certain is based on the FACT that it is what the US military is telling us whenever there is no TV camera to prove they are wrong.

I could go on and on and on, dismantling your "arguments" but once you claim my points of view are just plain anti-American whatever-you-call-it, there is no point.

You should keep your comments to yourself. If you have nothing to say, other than saying I am wrong, then you might as well think about just shutting up and stop looking silly. It would certainly favor your points of view.

PS.
I have nothing against Americans. I nevetheles think that dangerous persons have taken over the DoD in Washington Cowboy-like Generals and civilians took over, and they are running the show. When this unreasonable dangerous persons take over, the result is just this. Irresponsibility from the troops on the field, because they where given "Carte Blanche" just go ahead and do as you see fit. Just kill as many Arabs as you can, Sorry, as many Mohammed-Hatta lookalikes you may find in Iraq.

The irresponsibility results in the probably deliberate killing of reporters.
 
clipperhawaii
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 1:43 am

PS.I have nothing against Americans.

From your previous posts in this forum, I would say that may not be entirely true.

As for the press in Iraq, it is a war zone and forces in war follow the rules of engagment. Baghdad is not a very safe city right now.

I am thankful for the press being there but they "chose" to be in a war zone. People do get killed. That my friends is the hard fact. Some of you may not realize this.

Name me one war where a journalist has not been killed?

Roll On
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:21 am

Standing on roof tops in the middle of a battle zone is not what I call a "smart move". The U.S. stated that snipers were in the building and that is why it was fired upon. In earlier posts, people said that journalists didn't hear gunfire from snipers. Journalists wouldn't have a clue on what gunfire sounds like. Sometimes the wind blowing in a microphone is questioned to be "gunfire". I am sorry that these reporters were killed, but they understood the consequences of covering a WAR from inside Baghdad.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
 
erj190
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:23 am

Ok...

I have nothing against the overwhelming majority of Americans.

As to the victims. Once thing is a casualty due to an accident, the other is when a country deliberately targets civilians.

The US military used (as an excuse) that Al Jazeera was being used by the Al Qaeda people. Now, the excuse are the Iraqi irregulars.

They just CAN'T do that period!
There is no excuse, even if it is true, they can't just start firing at the reporters. If they are doing that with reporters, showing as much preoccupation with Human live as the Terrorists show, then they are just like them.

All reporters and sound registers available, at Palestine Hotel, show that there was no fire previous to the hitting of the Hotel by a 120mm round fired directly at the 14th floor of the hotel.

The military claim the fire against Iraqis that where firing at them. Now, unless the Iraqis were using silent ammo, (stealth bullets I suppose) How could there be fire upon the US tank ?

Especially from that direction and from the 14th floor?

The Spanish government has already requested explanations from the US. I am curious to see what Heinrich-Rumsfeld will come up with.

I suppose he will answer... Sorry Aznar... we were aiming at the French reporters... Big grin

Your guy just was at the wrong time at the wrong place.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 3:51 am

Bush does not want the world to see dead Iraqi kids !!!! And AJ is just the type of liberal media outlet that would show these things. The last thing we need is a bad "spin" on this otherwise beautiful war....
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:15 am

Al jazeera is a model of emerging free press in the arab world

The west has free press for centuries, even in Portugal

[Edited 2003-04-09 04:23:15]
 
Alpha 1
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:29 am

The absolute 100% certain is based on the FACT that it is what the US military is telling us whenever there is no TV camera to prove they are wrong.

No, Erj190, that is just your opininon, and not fact. You don't have a clue about what is/isn't being said when there's no camera, so stop acting like you do. I know you're sure you're smarter than all us idiotic Americans, but truly, you're stretching it here a bit.

I could go on and on and on, dismantling your "arguments" but once you claim my points of view are just plain anti-American whatever-you-call-it, there is no point.

You're right-there's no point, because I'll wager you this "dismantling" would be more of your conjecture, as abouve, passed off as "facts". You're welcome to try, though.

I have nothing against Americans.

Pinocchio, your nose is getting longer.

Bush does not want the world to see dead Iraqi kids !!!!

Is that why CNN a few days ago showed part of a surgury performed on a 2-year old Iraqi boy, by their own Correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta (a neurosurgeon), after the boy had been shot in the head. The boy died, but they showed the doctors feverishly working on the child.

Now, tell me that one again?
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:16 pm

That's good spin Alpha 1 !!! AJ Would show kids bleeding with no one around... you know, like them liberal press guys did in Vietnam, The press completely ruined that war for us... The Bush's are smarter than that... No foreign News company is going to ruin this war for us. If that means killing a few reporters than so be it... Freedom of speech is for American press that tells the American story.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:30 pm

Of course AJ would show that. Why do you think they show it? To be "fair and balanced"? Hardly. They show it to whip up the Arab masses, and that's the only reason they do it.

And had your assertion about Bush and the war been true, the coverage would have been limited to what it was in 1991-some cute video that H. Norman gave a play-by-play of, and well-after-the-fact video, like on the Highway of Death.

Again, your charge that the Administration doesn't want media around, smacks with the reality that the media is everywhere, and there at the blessing, in many cases, of the Pentegon.

And Freedom of speech, Dc10guy, for media outlet like AJ is to tell the Arab story.
 
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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:38 pm

Al-Jazeera's Baghdad office was not hit because US troops aren't within 100 miles of the city according to Iraq's Information Minister...Roy confirmed it, so it HAS to be true!

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RE: Payback On Al-Jazeera?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 1:01 pm

So are we going to force the American story on the "Arab masses ? " should the Arab's watch CNN or AJ ??? If Bush has anything to do with it they won't be watching AJ that's for sure .... "There should be limits to freedom" Dubya.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!

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