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I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:55 am

I typically pride myself on being open minded. Today I visited the English Al Jazeera website for the first time and was frankly a bit pissed at what I saw and read.

There was a photo of the marine draping the US flag around the Saddam statue today with the caption Quick turnaround: Occupation or liberation of Iraq

and the article associated with it stated: "One obvious question: During live coverage, viewers saw a US soldier drape over the face of Hussein a US flag, which was quickly removed and replaced with an Iraqi flag.

Commanders know that the displaying the US flag suggests occupation and domination, not liberation. NBC's Tom Brokaw reported that the Arab network Al Jazeera was "making a big deal" out of the incident with the American flag, implying that US television would -- and should -- downplay that part of the scene. Which choice tells the more complete truth?"


Right on Brokaw, they are making a big deal out of this. I mean its a young patriotic soldier who was celebrating a victory over the enemy. Sure he didn't use the best judgement and corrected his error, so why make such a big deal out it. They seem to almost suggest that this one young soldier spoke for the entire US government and their policies. The rest of the article was the usual rant about US double standards, blah blah blah that's been discussed to death. Rather than looking at the big picture they seem to be focusing on small parts of it and distorting and blowing completely out of proportion. Sure lots of other parties are guilty of this, but this in particular seems to bring a darker tone and give a bad view of a situation that would have otherwise helped the US' image in the region.

Guess some people just can't win.
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:58 am

I never had respect for Al Jazeera in the first place so I guess you're doing better than me.
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:59 am

well I never really paid attention to them before, this was the first time I actually went to their site to look at their news personally.
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:30 pm

You're not the only one......

Arab's Mixed Reaction

Arabs clustered at TV sets in shop windows, coffee shops, kitchens and offices to watch the astounding pictures of U.S. troops overwhelming an Arab capital for the first time ever.

Feeling betrayed and misled, some turned off their sets in disgust when jubilant crowds in Baghdad celebrated the arrival of U.S. troops.

"We discovered that all what the (Iraqi) information minister was saying was all lies," said Ali Hassan, a government employee in Cairo, Egypt. "Now no one believes Al-Jazeera anymore."


LMAO!!!
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:38 pm

LOL!

I read that on another site and was looking to post it on this thread, thanks for posting that.

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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:43 pm

Respect for Al Jezeera? This is a new thing to me, what is it?



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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:14 am

I guess the people at Al Jezeera have been watching too much of Fox's coverage.
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:18 am

Like it was said yesterday by Jim Rome. It's in the Marines blood to display the American flag and such, and some or a group of young soldiers set up a US flag over Saddam's grill. No sooner was the flag there, was it taken down, as a commander, seargent, etc, realized it was wrong, and replaced it with an Iraqi flag (pre-Gulf War). The Marines started off wrong, but they quickly got it right.......That is what matters.
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:19 am

Al Jazeera == the Osama News Network...
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:20 am

i love

"However, Tannous Basil, a 47-year-old cardiologist in Sidon, Lebanon, said Saddam's regime was a "dictatorship and had to go."

"I don't like the idea of having the Americans here, but we asked for it," he said. "Why don't we see the Americans going to Finland, for example? They come here because our area is filled with dictatorships like Saddam's." "

from your link jetservice!


personally i lost respect for al jazeera after it paraded the dead bodies of troops in graphic detail
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:32 am

Being an American myself, I have to admit while watching yesterdays events live, when I saw the guy bringing the US flag up the ladder, I was sitting here saying 'oh no, don't do it'. don't do it. I hate to admit I cringed when he did that, because I knew how it would have been construed in certain peoples eyes. I was glad that he took it down.

I do, however, understand that he was 'caught up in the moment', and that is understandable. Even more understandable is that his family immigrated from Burma.
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:43 am

So many people here - I'm assuming mainly American's - are critizing Al Jazeera and indeed the footage of the dead was macabre. However I personally I think it is of more importance of how the news is represented in your home country. So I'd like to ask the Americans on here what they think of Fox's standards. Thus far I have not heard of any critism of their style
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:47 am

i recieve al jazeera, abu dulabi and mtu-muslim news in the uk.

i also recieve fox, cnn, sky, bbc etc etc.

fox is the worst out of the 'western media' while al jazeera is the worst from the middle eastern media.
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:53 am

"Just look carefully, I only want you to look carefully. Do not repeat the lies of liars. Do not become like them. Once again, I blame al-Jazeera before it ascertains what takes place. Please, make sure of what you say and do not play such a role."

from http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:05 am

This IS a big deal. You don't come into someones country with stated aim to liberate them, and then quickly plant a flag in thier front yard. You should help them raise their own flag.

This is a pretty serious public opinion gaff that can turn "liberation" to "occupation" in a hurry.

Than again, I'm not sure that all of the soldiers understand how inappropriate it was. Hopefully the lesson was learned.

If you want to turn the jubiliation of the Iraqi people to mistrust very quickly, just raise a few more flags...

I have to wonder. How many flags did the coalition troops bring with them? Is this a flag used to identify military vehicles?
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 3:01 am


The Arab public opinion is in most aspects quite similar to the American public opinion.

They listen to the channel they think sounds best, and they believe everything they hear.

Whenever they listen to something, they do not question the news, they question the reporter.

Look at what happened with Peter Arnett.

So, Arabs and Americans alike, will accept any crap that censored or self-censored media throws at them.

Until the moment absolute evidences show that the media was actually lying.

It happens with Al Jazeera, and it happens in the USA where FOX news has the credibility of Donald Duck.

Well... I know, I know... some still believe Donald Duck is credible.

The advantage of the US media is that History is written by the winners, so, most of the lies and hoaxes the US media broadcasted, will go in history like the most absolute truth. They follow Goebbels teachings, which said "...A lie, repeated countless times will become true..."

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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 3:07 am

erj,

So you are saying that Peter Arnett was right in saying that the Coalition plan had "clearly ... failed"?

Bagdad Pete damn well should have been questioned. I still scratch my head wondering what the hell he was thinking there.
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 3:23 am

Peter Arnett was fired from CNN a few years ago because he lied, I don't think you can say that the US Media are liars.

They sometimes "Spin" stories but almost never do they lie, case in point is the thrashing the Bush Administration Especially Donald Rumsfeld was taking in the media just last week, they (including Peter Arnett) said the Military campaign was a failure. Two weeks after the first troops crossed into Iraq the US Army took Baghdad International airport, three weeks after the start Bagdad falls.

I would say that's probably one of the best military campaigns ever developed, they adapted to the unconventional tactics of the Fedyen and over came.

Al Jazeera on the other hand was caught in a lie yesterday by CNN, an Al Jazeera reporter yesterday was interviewing a US Marine in Baghdad. The reporter was making small friendly talk saying that he was raised in North Carolina (where the Marine is from), the Marine response was something along the lines of "wow small world".

Yet when the Al Jazeera translators translated the conversation into Arabic it was twisted to sound racist..

Al Jazeera reporter,

"hi Marine where are you from."

Marine's response.

"North Carolina"

Al Jazeera's Reporters response.
"I grew up in North Carolina"

(here's where Al Jazeera twisted this Marines words)

His reponse in English (which you can hear over the Arabic translator ) was something like "it's a small world"

Yet the Al Jazeera translators changed that to..

" Wow, you do not look like a white Red neck"

WTF?




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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:46 am

Isn't the term "White Redneck" redundant?
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:49 am

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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:46 pm

It has become apparent over the passing couple of weeks that Al-Jazeera was never interested in impartially reporting news.

They where into pandering stories for their audience.

And they now have a serious amount of egg on their face.
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Sat Apr 12, 2003 3:35 am


You may know that Arabs have never respected your CNN,FoxNews,...

Today media is unbiased and it defends the interests and the ideas of its viewers.Al Jazeera is an Arab and Muslim news channel and it has to doubt in the announced intentions of the coalition forces,as the invaded country is an Arab and Muslim one.No one may judge Al Jazeera for what they said or what they mentioned in their website.

Did CNN showed the Iraqi civil victims in hospitals ? Of course not,because this could hurt its viewers and make them change their minds.Americans have seen the coalition forces training,cleaning their arms and preparing themselves for a prompt and successful invasion and this,of course,secure the public opinion and boost the number of war partisans.Is this unbiased ?


As long as media is concerned,i think we can not talk about respect or non-respect.It is a question of choice and interest.
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:13 am

Yes CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX all showed Iraqi civilians in hospitals with terrible wounds received from being caught in fire fights and air-strikes from collation forces. They have shown horribly wounded women and children lying in crowded hospitals. In one scene that was shown over and over again there was a man that had both legs and one arm blown off after an Apache gunship attack.

We have true freedom of the press in the United States, get over it! The only video not shown by the US media were the pictures of what apparently were US POW shot in the head.

Therefore according to your point of view Ts-ior it should have been the other way around.
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:25 am

war is war.
who cares what al jazeera says, there just doing what they have to do because it apparently is part of their culture.
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:32 am


Oooh sorry,you care about what Al Jazeera says.

Why Aljazeera.net has been hacked ?

Why Americans want to end its satellite transmission ?

Why you zap and watch its programs ?

All this and you do not care of it ?
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:36 am

Luckely we had a wide coverage of news, at least in Europa.
For me http://news.google.com/ was the best, the most diverse sources ..

I´m dissapointed in CNN
Gulf War 1990 made them big, then they were the view of the world.

In Gulf War 2003 they only show loads of sentimental music, flags, supporting home fronts, retired generals, weapons system details and avoid everything the public don´t want / should not see & repeat Pentagon opinions like slaves.

I probably will never take CNN fully serious again....
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:28 am

Some of you guys forget that Al Jazeera is an Arab broadcast for Arab public, and they do not give a f**k if some guy in Cleveland, Atabaska or Rafelbunyol have respect for them or not. Whether you like or not they owe to their public, which in the end will make it a succesful venture or not.

The appearance of Al Jazeera means that things are changing in the Middle East where freedom of speech is a rare commodity. If you are truly interested in the expansion of democracy and freedoms there, instead of bitching & moaning you should hope that a hundred Al Jazeeras appear there.
 
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:40 am

A hundred Al Jazeeras?! Considering some of the crap I've read, that would be a bad thing.
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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Sat Apr 12, 2003 9:08 am

Krushny,

Some of you guys forget that Al Jazeera is an Arab broadcast for Arab public, and they do not give a f**k if some guy in Cleveland, Atabaska or Rafelbunyol have respect for them or not. Whether you like or not they owe to their public, which in the end will make it a successful venture or not.

So, because they deliver their news strictly to an Arab population, they need not report the truth (or even a close semblance to it)? Is that fair to the Arabs? Is that what they "owe" their public? Up until Baghdad fell and there was no longer any way to cover it up, they led most Arabs to believe that the Iraqi army was winning, when, in truth, they were falling like flies! Do you think THAT is what Al Jazeera needs to build a foundation on - an obvious pack of lies?

World politics, especially in the Middle East, is far too explosive an issue to leave it in the hands of those who have proven to their own people they will outright lie to them. The Arab world deserves to be informed, factually, like any other group. What you praise Al Jazeera for is the best weapon the Western world could use against them - ignorance propagated by their "own" news network!

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RE: I Lost Respect For Al Jazeera

Sat Apr 12, 2003 9:47 am

MxCtrlr, show me evidence (archived articles or anything) of Al Jazeera claiming the Iraqis would be winning.
 
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CNN=Al-Jazeera

Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:55 am

Who needs to compalin about Al-Jazeera and their lying when we have our own version. It appears that CNN is just as tilted as AJ in their curious ommissions....

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030412-64366560.htm

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/33969.htm

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/commentary/story/0,4386,182790,00.html

So for all the BS about Fox, MSNBC for their reporting, looks like CNN's slip is showing too by NOT reporting all the news...

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