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Countries Where Smoking Marijuana Is Allowed?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 5:40 am

Today I was talking with a few buddys and we asked ourselves if the Netherlands is the only country in the world where smoking marijuana is legal? What is about Jamaica? I am sure that nobody cares when someone smokes a joint on the street.

I have also heard that it is "more or less" legal in Switzerland, is that true?

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Sat Apr 12, 2003 5:46 am

In Jamaica, it is decriminalized. Weed is very cheap and potent there. Cops turn their heads. I was in Negril and saw a guy operating a bull dozer on the side of the road smoking a joint and about 10 feet away was 2 cops. They do not care!
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 5:55 am

From my experience, police in the UK doesn't really care although it is illegal. I've seen many students rolling a splif in the campus of my university or out in town.
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 5:59 am

In Brazil, it's close enough. Since enfocement is rare, the price of dank weed about 60 CENTS PER GRAM!!

Atlanta, in a couple of weeks, is having the annual Great Atlanta Pot Festival. Weed is still totally illegal here, but people are still in the parks smoking it up during the fest.
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:01 am

In a lot of places the police will turn their heads if you are a local, but not a tourists.
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:01 am

In Lithuania it is quite far from being legalised - police does their job here, and although probably it is corrupted in certain cases, it will never let you smoke the dope in public. it is strange how certain states are so near anarchy...
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:09 am

It's illegal here in the U.S. but here in SAn Francisco, it's tolerated.

Our D.A. Terrence Hallinan is a Saint!
He will not prosicute ANY marijuana related arrest so the police will not waste there time busting people smoking pot.

I was at his re-election party and there some people including myself smoking it up in celebration.  Smokin cool

Only in San Francisco!  Smile
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:15 am

Superfly,

is it only in San Francisco tolerated or in whole California? I remember that I smoked a lot while I was there but just because every second person I met was smoking there, I liked that.

Here in Germany it is also tolerated especially in the area where I live because we are not far away from the Dutch border (do you envy me? Big grin).

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Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:17 am

Around here, it seems possession of small personal amounts is treated very lightly. Almost like a traffic offense. I think its a low level misdemeanor with 30 days suspended and diversion programs to clear your record arrest and conviction record. I think they're pretty harsh on dealing however. I'm not completely certain about that.
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:23 am

I would caution any airline employee to be very careful about marijuana. I realize this description could be anyone from CEO to baggage handler, but airlines and governments take a very dim view of potsmokers as airline employees.
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:26 am


As far as I know, in Portugal it is not a crime to smoke. But you can't trade it sell it buy it or grow it.

Don't ask me how you can actually get it, I think the idea is kind of:

You can smoke, but it is illegal to have it Big grin

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Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:36 am

I think the US should do the same thing as some other countries. Many will not drink alcohol perhaps, and it could slow down the alcohol related violence.. How many people do you hear of that shoot or rape someone because they are high? I am not a pot smoker. I used to religously, but I find it to be expensive when I am in school (college salary =0$) Also my girlfriend said " if you keep smoking weed means no more sex." So I chose the better of the two. Now I don't gasp for breath when I play rugby, and I can get booty almost anytime I want.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:37 am

Smoking marijuana is legal in Belgium, of course only if you're 18 or over. Possession of up to 5 grams is legal.

The dubious part of course is that selling it is illegal. So you can have it, you can smoke it, but you can't buy or sell it...

Never tried the stuff myself, don't need it.
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:55 am

In Spain consumption is allowed, but trade is not. Same as in Portugal.
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:08 pm

Smoking marijuana is legal in Belgium, of course only if you're 18 or over. Possession of up to 5 grams is legal.

The dubious part of course is that selling it is illegal. So you can have it, you can smoke it, but you can't buy or sell it...


Correct Scorpio, and for my part they may change this rule again to totally prohibit it.
Seen that all those people start with soft drugs, and end with hard drugs, this thing should be banned, not permitted.

It is bad for your health, very bad, and it costs a lot of money. I will never understand why people use drugs...
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:54 pm

Very tue Sabena690, I too would support to prohibit any kind of use of marihuana. It's bad enough that our youth only have to cross the border to Holland to get themselfes wasted, let alone being able to do it in Belgium without the risk of prosecution.
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:37 pm

Indeed, Manni.

You know when you start using it, but you don't know where it stops.

3 weeks ago, I heard a sad story from a friend: a friend of him started using marijuana only occassionaly. He liked it, started using it more and more until he was addicted. As all soft drugs users, no-one wants to admit they are addicted (they even don't want to face it and some even think you can't become addicted). Well, he WAS addicted, and needed his joints all the time. He saw he was doing wrong, wanted to get rid of them, but couldn't resist to keep on smoking. So he got into a depression, and started using hard drugs to forget his joint problem. To make the story short: he is burried 2 weeks ago (an overdose of coke or heroine, don't remember exactly).

This is what drugs can do with you...

Don't start using it, it's the only way to avoid all the shit like this.
 
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:52 pm

The possession for personal use (3,5g ? not sure) is legal in Italy, though it's pretty common to see guys in the parks and university campus rolling joint and smoking them (at least in Milan where I live). Obviosly you can't sell or buy it, and also grow it. Pretty like in Belgium. Laws enforcers usually don't bother, but it depends upon the public administration dispositions.
Here in Milan we have a social center (right word? It's a sort of self managed community) wich organizes every March/April the "Seeding Party" where you can get seeds for free to plant your own cannabis at home; in October there's usually the "Harvest Party" where you can get free joint...

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Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:36 pm

You can buy it from Hemp shops in Switzerland, literally in shopping malls, high street, whatever.

I'm sorry Sabena 690 about your friend, although I disagree that marijuana leads to harder drugs. I've smoked pot all my life (well, since I was a teenager anyway) and I've never felt the urge to get into the hard stuff. Well, I do enjoy the odd line but we're talking about once or twice a year. There's no real link between the two. Alcohol is pretty heavy duty for a recreational drug, but boozing it up every weekend doesn't lead to hard drugs any more than smokin da weed does. Going from pot to coke / heroin etc is more to do with the user's personality than the drug.
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:41 pm

Cedarjet: I want to make a small correction in my original post: I did not say that EVERY soft drugs user is addicted and will go to hard drugs, but what I see is that a lot of users don't see the danger of it (or don't want to see it), and use it very frequently (they say they are not addicted but use it almost every day).

I really don't understand that, if you know how bad it is, why you actually smoke it... But who the f*ck am I? Big grin

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Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:48 pm

they say they are not addicted but use it almost every day

I have to subscribe the entire sentence. The same applies for cigarettes, and, to a lesser extent, to alchol.
I have to admit the same for planes too Big grin

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Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:51 pm

Sabena / Frederic, you are right that pot is addictive, and I would say I'm addicted. That said, it's not the kind of addiction where if you can't get any, you go purple and curl up in a ball, vomiting. You just feel a little irritable or out-of-sorts when you'd normally be skinning up (ie while watching CNN or a good movie). So it's pretty tame. It's like a mirror, it reflects your own state of mind. With a tiny bit of willpower, I could knock it on the head (have done in the past quite easily). I was in Sydney for a month earlier this year and didn't smoke, and it didn't really occur to me to try and get some (OK, maybe I'm not addicted). For other people, there are other things in their own personal make-up that makes it a lot harder.

I think pot is, on the whole, A Bad Thing - it makes you lazy, slow-witted and unhealthy. But it's a lot better than alcohol (I don't drink) and really the worst side effect I can think of is the remote possibility, in some countries, of getting a criminal record. As has been noted above, no-one ever beat their wife or kicked in a shop window after having a smoke - it's too much like hard work.
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:58 pm

That's true Cedarjet, alcohol and cigarettes are also bad... Actually all are unhealthy.

I don't use one of the three, I'm very healthy apparently  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I'm only addicted to airplanes! Big grin But is this an unhealthy addiction?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Sun Apr 13, 2003 3:11 am

In the UK I would say that officially it is illegal but I think it is tolerated in my experience. Also, I believe it is close to being legalized.

You may say (with little knowledge) that pot is very unhealthy, but it is sure as hell better than cigarettes and alcohol. And no it is not addictive (physically), I suppose really sad people can think they need more.
 
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 3:20 am

I think in most countries it is tollerated.

However dutch politicians said it openly and put in the law.

That was politicaly stupid. They just had to formalize it ... typical dutch.. over organized ..



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Sun Apr 13, 2003 3:39 am

I know that it is legal to do so in the Netherlands but I don't know about others.
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:28 am

You may say (with little knowledge) that pot is very unhealthy, but it is sure as hell better than cigarettes and alcohol. And no it is not addictive (physically)

Than you know more than the one who wrote my book of psychology  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

A joint itself IS more dangerous than a cigarette (which is also dangerous of course). It has to do with what we call in Belgium 'teer', don't know the english translation. And a joint IS addictive.

This is medically proved. It's your right not to believe this...

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Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:44 am

"And a joint IS addictive."

but "only" psychically, not physically. Persons with a weak personality shouldn't touch it, as they should not touch either alcohol or coffee. Point is, drugs always existed and will always exist. Imagine the reaction of the german (or belgium) public if their beloved beer was to be forbidden  Wink/being sarcastic

But, if the kids have to buy their weed from a dealer, they will most likely also get in contact with "harder drugs" (because the dealer has a larger profit margin on them), which could be prevented if they were allowed to buy it legally (either in coffeeshops as in the netherlands or in pharmacys as proposed in germany).

And, one word about the conditioning-drug-theory: It has been proven that there is no causal-connection between marijuana and harder drugs. This theory has often been solely supported by the fact, that most users of hard drugs have been using soft drugs earlier (and if they did, they most likely entered the world of hard drugs because of the reason stated above) The overwhelming majority of soft-drug-users however, has never touched any hard drugs. If there is something like a conditioning drug, then it's alcohol (altough for many, it's already the last drug), or, as it is also considered a drug, coffeine. But somehow nobody sees a connection here.

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Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:52 am

Imagine the reaction of the german (or belgium) public if their beloved beer was to be forbidden  Wink/being sarcastic

Whoaaa... this would be hard!!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

Alcohol is indeed an understimated drug. Everyone finds it 'normal' that you drink alcohol, but 'abnormal' that you smoke pot, while both are very bad.

You can of course say: 'You have to go dead of something', but I prefer to earn as much as possible, to buy airline tickets, instead of spending money to alcohol, cigarettes,... and living a bit less...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:13 am

Imagine the reaction of the german (or belgium) public if their beloved beer was to be forbidden

I think that Germany would look like Baghdad right now, at least my hometown Big grin.

Alcohol is indeed an understimated drug. Everyone finds it 'normal' that you drink alcohol, but 'abnormal' that you smoke pot, while both are very bad.

You are correct Frederic, unfortunately do most people think that smoking pot is very bad (only because it is not legal) but I know a lot of people who are smoking pot and they jobs like:

- Doctor (surgeon)
- Airline and airport employees
- Computer engineer
- Managing director of a public bus company
- High school teacher

All of these guys have very good and well paid jobs, so it is absolute nonsense to claim that pot smokers are idiots who have smoked oneself dumb.

But, if the kids have to buy their weed from a dealer, they will most likely also get in contact with "harder drugs" (because the dealer has a larger profit margin on them), which could be prevented if they were allowed to buy it legally (either in coffeeshops as in the netherlands or in pharmacys as proposed in germany).

Correct, of course you will get in contact with harder drugs when you buy your weed from a dealer, because of that I like the idea with the coffee shops in the Netherlands, only marijuana is available there so the kids can`t get in contact with harder stuff. When I was younger I took everything that was available but fortunately I realized that I will get addicted when I continue to take everything that makes me high.

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Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:00 am

Hands up everyone who would like to be operated on by a pot smoking surgeon.  Big grin When I was in technical school, studying aircraft maintenance, there were 2 guys who were heavy potsmokers. The really dumb thing was, during coffee breaks and lunch, they`d go outside and have a joint! Then straight back to class with that clueless expression stoned people have. Needless to say they failed the course miserably, and wasted nearly 2 years of their lives. I know this isn`t typical, but I`m very unimpressed with anyone in a technical and responsible position who smokes pot regularly.
 
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:09 am

Avt007,

all these guys that I have mentioned in my reply above do not smoke regularly, they do it one or two times a week with the exception of one, the guy who is managing director of a public bus company does it like your colleagues from university, he use every break to smoke a splif but fortunately he can not kill someone when he makes a mistake like a surgeon can.

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Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:43 am


Philippines, its illegal, but you can always get away with it, cuz the cops allways look the other way.
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:58 am

It's in the process of being legalized here in Canada. George W. Bush is not happy with this coz he fears his citizens will cross the border and migrate to the best country in the world with the best weed. He even cancelled his state visit next month to retaliate!
 
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 11:09 pm

@ Sabena 690

"but I prefer to earn as much as possible, to buy airline tickets, instead of spending money to alcohol, cigarettes,... and living a bit less..."

I fully respect you for that. Unfortunately, especially here in germany we have a lot of armchair politicians who keep gathering dust about the "marijuana-junkies" while they drink one beer after the other. I little inconsequent...

@ Sabena 332

"I think that Germany would look like Baghdad right now, at least my hometown"

well, I guess we would have thousands of bavarian "Lederhosen"-soldiers marching around searching for Weissbier  Wink/being sarcastic

another thing. The german budget is in desperate need for additional money-sources. I can just imagine how many millions of €uro's could be made if weed was to be sold in pharmacys and would not end in the pockets of some dealer...

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Sun Apr 13, 2003 11:20 pm

I don't smoke weed but used to take drugs socially when I was at university (not heroin though - I took nothing harder than E and cocaine) and I guess it is up to the choice of the individual but I have a friend who is a psychiatrist and 80%+ of the drugs related cases of psychosis and other mental illness comes through marijuana use (the rest is usually amphetamines and cocaine). So we should dispel the myth that pot is harmless - from a mental health perspective it is actually much more harmful than Ecstasy or Cocaine.
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