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Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Mon Apr 14, 2003 9:58 pm

www.news.com.au
April 14, 2003

AUSTRALIAN military forces in the Gulf could be withdrawn in a large group, possibly against US requests for the SAS to stay on in Iraq, Defence Force chief Peter Cosgrove said today.

Australians do not wish to be involved in an occupation.



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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:03 pm

Sounds almost like a sexual problem, ADG. Early pullout is not a good think. MAybe we'll call Dr. Ruth

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:10 pm

Yay! Dr. RUTH!



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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:12 pm

Early pullout is not a good think?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

By the way Alpha1, it's not premature withdrawl to leave once the party is over .. in fact it's politeness not to overstay your welcome  Wink/being sarcastic. I could make some withdraw before it all sags jokes but I might just leave that to your imagination  Laugh out loud.




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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:22 pm

Actually, I find myself agreeing with ADG in this case - early pullout is best, if timed properly  Big thumbs up (again, those seven guys on horseback are visiting my backyard  Nuts). I also agree with the Aussie's decision to remove troops as quickly as possible (something the US should seriously consider as well). Stay as long as it takes to set up a stable, interim government, provide advisors (Jimmy Carter loves that sh*t), and get the hell out to let the Iraqis govern themselves. The positive PR that would promote throughout the Arab world would do more for the War on Terrorism than anything else Bush & Co could think of. (and Stay the f**k away from Syria!)

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:25 pm

Can't see that woman as being any sort of expert on sex.




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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:27 pm

You know what they say: If you can, do; if you can't, teach.
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:52 pm

The larger issues are:
1. Would we notice?
2. Would we care?
Probably 'no' in both cases.....
 
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:54 pm

The larger issues are:
1. Would we notice?
2. Would we care?
Probably 'no' in both cases.....


You're probably right. We'd just hear ADG endlessly yacking on about how Aus did the right thing by abandoning the US.
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:59 pm

Yyz, if she pissed you off so much, why are you intent on telling the rest of us?
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:00 am

What you're not allowed to say someone pisses you off?
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:01 am

Yyz, if she pissed you off so much, why are you intent on telling the rest of us?

Why are you so intent on reading & commenting on it?

I seem to be the focus of your attention today! Thanks for the complement. I guess.

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:02 am

With all due respect to the Australians, they can stay or go. It probably wouldn't make much difference at this point.

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:08 am

Why are you so intent on reading & commenting on it?

Why not?

I seem to be the focus of your attention today!

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:15 am

You're probably right. We'd just hear ADG endlessly yacking on about how Aus did the right thing by abandoning the US

Oh diddums, is Australia really that important to a country you have already beaten into submission.
 
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:21 am

I don't know how much Australia contributed to the military success of the invasion (quite a lot, probably) but even so, the main thing they provide is the 'coalition' fig leaf. Without them the so-called 'coalition' is down to two nations, the UK and the US. So while I'm sure Washington and many Americans are arrogant enough to think they don't need any help, they need the political illusion Australia's presence creates.
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:24 am

I am honoured that you think so highly of Australia but while we helped the Americans pulverize a little country. Do we really need to help america with Martial law

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 1:08 am

Matt D's ignoring me

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 2:18 am

Can't see that woman as being any sort of expert on sex.

Women can't be sex experts. Everyone knows that women don't "need" or enjoy sex like men do....

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:06 am

No, quite frankly...while we love the country of Australia..and Australians in general....they have no real bearing on the course of life in the US--it's goals or missions--or the rest of the worlds for that matter.

A political powerhourse they are not--never have been...never will be.

This is largely why I think they are so well liked. They tend to mind their own business.

In many ways they are opposite of the US....Australia is to be respected, not feared. We (in the US) have largely been the opposite lately.....

Just an observation. No insults intented.
 
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:33 am

There were two goals, to get rid of an evil regime, and to help build a prosperous and democratic one.

Could it be so that the Australians just know their own limitations?

One correction: There are not three coalition forces. Including the Danish war ships under US command in the Gulf there are four.

Right now Denmark is formating units to go and assist restructuring Iraq under US command. We are not chickening out from a job only half done. Even if our small efforts of course will not be decisive in any way.

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:35 am

Australians do not wish to be involved in an occupation.

Isn't that a bit like throwing a party at a freinds house and not cleaning up the mess afterward?
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:59 am

There were two goals, to get rid of an evil regime, and to help build a prosperous and democratic one

Actually, the goal was to de-arm Iraq of chemical weapons which they allegedly had. Getting rid of Saddam and installing an "undemocratic" democratic "non-Iraqi" Iraqi government was mere sugar coating for propaganda purposes.

One correction: There are not three coalition forces. Including the Danish war ships under US command in the Gulf there are four.

One more correction  Laugh out loud

Including a small contingent of Polish forces, there are/were five.

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But as to the topic, Cosgrove is saying that SAS forces will stay on for some time, which would indicate that other troops are likely to stay on also.

I agree that forces should be removed ASAP. They shouldn't have been there in the first place. Howard has guaranteed exports for Australian wheat farmers, although it will be tainted with Iraqi blood.
 
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:16 am

Well, it was just announced today (heard it on news radio here in Los Angeles) that two US carrier groups composed of approximately 15,000 Navy personnel will be going back to their respective homes (Okinawa for the Kitty Hawk, and San Diego for the Constellation). In addition, a third carrier group may leave soon as well.

If we can send that many troops home now, I would think the Australians would be able to go as well (I'm not sure how many troops they have in the Gulf right now).
 
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:20 am

Well, it was just announced today (heard it on news radio here in Los Angeles) that two US carrier groups composed of approximately 15,000 Navy personnel will be going back to their respective homes (

That'll make some families very happy indeed.




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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:39 am

Greg,

Whatever your intentions in the above post, I'm feeling pretty offended as an Australian.

You might think that was being nice, but you were actually 'talking down' our country and all of the millions of triumphs it has achieved in it's history.

Just because we don't flash every single of our victories on CNN, doesn't mean we are unimportant.

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:59 am

We don't need the Aussies anymore, let them leave. Today 75 Albanian Commandos are leaving to join us in Iraq. Thank you Albania.  Smile

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:10 pm

Don't know why America needs our 2000 strong when Merca is sending home 15000. Are our troops really that well trained. I know where good guys but can't you americans handle what's left without us.


Incidently, Aussies are definately the best. We successfully avoided all friendly fire. Don't care what you say. None of our own died fighting a battle that was unjust only to be killed by the invaders.



One other point. What was that that I heard on the TV today from Colin Powell. There is talk of the Syrians helping in teh WMD project with Iraq. Well sure is talk, it's all coming from teh War Horses after world domination.



Then Iran and who next. Incidently, didn't see the Americans getting to upset over the chinese busting their P3. Is that because China poses no threat with their WMDs



I belive Saddam was no threat now afterall. If he was, he would have used them
 
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:17 pm

I was once on a 2 hour van ride with Dr. Ruth. Lets just say that was an interesting 2 hours!! As for Australia leaving, no sense in keeping them there if they aren't needed.

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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:28 pm

I thank the Australians for their help in removing Saddam Hussein from power. That being said, military troops are still needed in order to try and maintain some sort of civilized country. I think it is too soon to pull troops out as their is still fighting going on in the north. A draw down of military equipment and non-essential personnel might be in order.
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:39 pm

Pullig out before your finished would definately back up those stories I have heard about all those Aussie war brides comming back to the US with our Gi's.
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:27 pm

QantasForever....
My apologies...that was not my intention.
I have always like Australia.
And Australians.
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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:57 am

L-188,

*chuckle*, but alpha1 beat you to the punchline on that one  Wink/being sarcastic




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RE: Australian Pullout Could Defy US

Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:52 pm

Well we all kind of figured that Alpha was a 30 second wonder.  Laugh out loud



At least that was the word on the street.
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