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I'd Like To Have Seen The Face On The Marine ....

Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:51 pm







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Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:02 pm

ADG,

Imagine if it was an Aussie instead of a Brit - the marine would have been mince meat.

Our Aussie forces are renowned for their abilities.

My grandfather was a commando in Timor (he was also a Barnardo's boy from the first world war) and would love to comment on this. My uncle also served in Vietnam and contest to the yanks trigger happy attitudes. I have so many slides and pictures (remember nam night with slides?) from the Vietnam war that don't pain a nice picture.

I think the difference in our forces are the fact that Aussies / Brits are a hell of a lot more tacticle and tacile rather than in your face.

mb

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Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:09 pm

Mx5,

I've had similar "Vietnam Nights" ... and the stories/footage are shocking, hvae you got any war souveneers? Should see what I have  Laugh out loud

The Aussies made a name for themselves many years ago on the 25th April on a cold beach in Turkey and that name has not been sullied in the many years we've been around .

Our SAS is the best of the best.

As for East Timor, my cousin led the 6RAR into East Timor as part of the peacekeeping force a couple of years back.




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Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:34 pm

ADG,

When my grandfather died he surprised all his sons by leaving all his war medals and memorabilia to *myself*. (considering 5 children and hordes of grandchildren I felt privelaged)

Not against his wished but against his principles (he hated the RSL) I have left them in trust with Parra RSL. They are on display along with others. No point keeping them with anyone else.

I march for him and have marched with him, proud that a member of my family did such duty but it took a lot of maturing on my behalf to be able to do that.

*Lest we forget*

My uncle who went off to war in Vietnam suffered greatly, he returned to a public that reviled them rather than rejoice and was the *a typical* aussie who suffered so much from the war. He used to sleep outside rather than inside for months - and as a tiny kid I loved his camoflague hideout in the back yard amongst the banana trees in suburban Sydney - not knowing the real reason for it.

Did you ever go out to the training camps at Holsworthy and trudge through bunkers and tunnels in the wet / mud and ride in a tank? I remember these things from a kid.

I've got a slide of Aussies running for cover when a yankee chopper thought they saw khmer and fired on the campsite when it was simply a local in the compound.

The stories.

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Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:36 pm

ADG, Imagine if it was an Aussie instead of a Brit - the marine would have been mince meat

This thread is one big *eye roll* as well as the above comment. I mean what, you think the Marine just stood there and let some Brit pilot drop the hammer on him allthe while having some "expression" on his grill? I'm sure he didn't fight back or anything. Not like Marines are known to be fanatical or anything.  Insane
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:55 pm

I didn't know Australia had their own SAS.
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Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:09 pm

The Australian SAS is based on the British SAS model, and the Brit SAS are the ones who pretty much invented the Special Ops game in WWII. World class all the way. I don't know if the Aussie SAS has actually seen combat though. Has it?

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Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:25 pm

I was goint to say - since when has the Aussie SAS been renowned as better than the British one? Maybe they are better at cricket, but you can't go around saying they are the 'Best of the Best' without evidence. I am sure they are very capable indeed, but just because they are Aussies doesn't automatically make them the best ADG  Big grin
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Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:55 pm

oooh ... the pride comes out.

The label "best of the best" comes from a variety of places most notable being the American military leader in Afghanistan as well as George W Bush who specfically requested them for their role in Iraq which placed them miles in front of the US troops for most of the war.

You don't hear about them because they're good, very good. Unlike some of their foreign counterparts they have the ability to differentiate between coalition and iraqi military forces and have not added any friendlies to their death toll.

Indeed, the feedback from the Russian Ambassedor is very positive as well, having encountered the diggers after their little "run in" with the trigger happy coalition forces as they left Baghdad. The Aussies stopped & searched, treated their wounded and escorted them on their way .. all without firing a shot at them.

Not only that ... they kick arse during war games. You want to try sitting in the boozer with the fn's after playing games with our SAS ... puts a whole new meaning into "shock and awe". They make some other troops we've played with look like elephant trackers.





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Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:06 pm

I have family in Australia's SAS and have indeed come to believe that they are ... exceptional... in their talents and execution.

In any event, his travel dossier includes Afghanistan and Iraq in recent history.
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Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:48 pm

This thread is one big *eye roll* as well as the above comment. I mean what, you think the Marine just stood there and let some Brit pilot drop the hammer on him allthe while having some "expression" on his grill?

If he was really that dumb to shoot at a Chinook, he probably would have just stood there to take the blows...
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:52 pm

If he was really that dumb to shoot at a Chinook, he probably would have just stood there to take the blows...

So by your logic...He would shoot a friendly target, but let a friendly whip his ass? Sure.....
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:18 pm

No, by my logic, if he was that dumb to shoot at a friendly in such a situation, he'd probably be dumb enough not to know how to retalitate properly anyway.

Or perhaps that's all he knew how to do is retaliate. Friendly fire incidents, while most just put it down to simple 'oh well it happens', are all derived from errors. Some of these errors are due perhaps to overcomplication of technology, some are perhaps due to a lack of information, and some of which are just due to simple 'oh well I didn't think' situations.

The Marines are a big organization. But I'm sure not all of them are smart and tough. Not by a longshot...
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:30 pm

Well, get your joys in life where you can, I suppose. If the thought of a Marine getting punched makes you titter with glee, more power to you. I guess the US got its well-deserved comeuppance, after all.
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Tue Apr 15, 2003 11:36 pm

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Hahaha the last sentence put the cream on the cake...

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:15 am

Ohhh how cool... are armed force members can beat your armed force members up! God damn the things people get their nuts off to! I am sure some Aussies can kick the shit out of some Americans and some Americans can beat the tar out of the Aussies. In the end it all comes out in a wash! Stop acting like 8 year olds arguing over their favourite wrestlers!
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:25 am

Um yeah, Im sure the pilot of the shithook just got shot at, stopped what he was doing while getting shot at, landed infront of the guys that were shooting at him, then just lept out of the helo (engines running and all ) Identified the one of many marines there while flying and being shot at (im sure he recognized the face and all). And proceeded to fight a marine. Yeah that sounds factual to me, the pilot just stopped what he was doing and fought with a single marine in the middle of combat. Sounds really professional.
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:31 am

"I hope that marine got kicked square in the tacticles!"

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:46 am

Sounds really professional

Sounds just as professional as shooting on a frinedly that is flying in a very large American build helicopter in a country were all flights of the last few weeks (if not months) were friendly.

By the way, UK television channel C4 mentioned 2 weeks ago that (at that time) the US had killed ** UK soldiers (I forgot the number). If the UK had the same amount of mistakes as the US has, then 5000 US soldiers would have been killed by UK friendly fire. That was 2 weeks ago, god knows how the numbers are now.

At the moment ALL friendly fire has been American.

Now who sounds more professional?
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:59 am

Friendly fire is a tragic thing but it doesnt reflect professionalism its an accident, Stopping your mission, getting out of a helo and fighting someone who you think is wrong is no where near being professional military, if you cant differentiate between the two then you need to stay out of the military and professional world. You make it sound like the marines ID the British helo as a british helo and decided to open fire on it just for fun. Also i question the credibility of the article and of course the initial poster, they both sound like BS to me.
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:08 am

Mx5boy: Imagine if it was an Aussie instead of a Brit - the marine would have been mince meat.

Our Aussie forces are renowned for their abilities.

Ya,those Aussie are a bunch of bad ass fighters,by the way how many Aussis have been World Heavyweight Champions?
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:19 am

Petertenthije: By the way, UK television channel C4 mentioned 2 weeks ago that (at that time) the US had killed ** UK soldiers (I forgot the number). If the UK had the same amount of mistakes as the US has, then 5000 US soldiers would have been killed by UK friendly fire. That was 2 weeks ago, god knows how the numbers are now.

Since there are only 35,000 Britts and 2,000 Aussie compared to 200,000 U.S. troops,what do you suppose the odds on there being more U.S. friendly fire accidents?
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:20 am

Friendly fire is a tragic thing but it doesnt reflect professionalism its an accident

If it happens once or twice, alright, but it happens time and time again. Not just in this war. My grandfather already had a joke from his time in the resistance:


If the Brits flew over the Germans would run for cover,
If the Germans flew over the Brits and Americans would run for cover,
If the Americans flew over everyone would run for cover!


I wish it were a joke, but time and again the American army proves to be trigger happy.
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:24 am

Sorry Thumper, I read your post after posting my previous post. I am not ignoring you! Big grin


Yes there is a larger chance that Americans hit a frienly because there are more. On the other hand, the same math tells me that in that case the Brits should find it easy to put friendly fire on the Americans since they are everyone. Still the Brits have had no case of friendly fire. If they have, I have not heard from it.

All I know from deaths caused by the Brits is that 2 Royal Navy helicopters collided mid-air killing all aboard. No friendly fire incidents.
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:24 am

Yet another outstanding post by ADG. Anything to show the U.S. or U.S. forces in bad lighting! Firing at a friendly helicopter is stupid but can happen in the "Fog of War". That being said, landing your helicopter, getting out and then starting a fight in the middle of a war zone isn't extremely professional.
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:15 am

I've got a slide of Aussies running for cover when a yankee chopper thought they saw khmer and fired on the campsite when it was simply a local in the compound.

I've enough stories to write a book if I chose, it's interesting to know how the Aussies in Vietnam *really* died .. not how they're written up as dying which in some instances is quite different.

My father was an engineer in Vietnam and they spent much of their time avoiding "friendly fire" where possible. My dad used to "hit the ground" every time he heard a loud noise, or a helo. It was quite a childhood growing up with someone with undiagnosed PTSS who was vilified by the ignorant public.

rest of you

I thought the whole thing was quite amusing, and would have thoughs o regardless of who the 2 parties were. Obviously this thread has dragged in the "how dare you say anything bad about my countrymen even if they are in the wrong" crowd so I may as well go with the flow.

Firstly, it's a pretty STUPID soldier that cannot recognise a chinook. Add to that the fact that the Iraqis never had any aircraft in the air and the soldier moves from stupid to fooking stupid. Friendly fire instances such as this one are not acceptable, they're beyond stupid. I don't know if the article is true or not, it appears legitimate. But it's damn funny if it occurred and i'd like to have seen the stunned mullet look on his face as his "allie" landed the ch'ook ran after him and started hitting him.

Now we can argue whether the article is true or not until the cows come home but we all know that these type of friendly fire incidents HAVE happened during this little skirmish in Iraq so we can't deny that.

Again, if you think i'm not going to post things that clear up innaccuracies or that are ironic or funny just because you dont' want to see your countrymen portrayed in potentially poor like then you are very wrong indeed. I would post them about my own country but my countrymen have yet to have a recorded instance of firing at friendlies .. and i'm not about to make something up just to appease your egos.

CX,

You're right of course .. it was stupid .. but for anyone who can get beyond the "how dare they point out something like that about our boys" stage it is pretty funny.

Kroc,

The irony of your responses in these threads and your arguments about "humour" in private eMails is not lost on me.




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Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:07 am

I'm still waiting for the answers to two questions:

1) If the US soldiers are so bloody great, why did they fire on The Palestine Hotel (full of jounalists) and the building only housing Al-Jazeera (with a tank mind you) even though both buildings and their contents were clearly communicated to both the Pentagon and central command in Qatar?

2) Why oh why did the US not secure the Museum in Baghdad???

And I absolutely REFUSE to accept the argument that 'this is war, bad stuff happens'. An urban battlefield such as Baghdad is not just some melting-pot of violence. If the supposed 'world's best' are in there 'protecting freedom' then why couldn't they:

1) Not fire on buildings which they knew were full of media

2) Secured one (ONE!) building full of some of the most tresured artifacts of our civilisation??

Really. Sometimes I wish that the Brits had rolled into Baghdad.

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:37 am

Blake,

Your questions need to be asked of the strategists/planners rather than the soldiers on the ground.

A more important question would by why so many soldiers cannot recognise the military hardware and flags of their allies. After all, you think that not killing your own people or your allies would be a bit of a priority. But again, we need to remember that they are isolated incidents (albiet happening more and more often).





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Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:46 am

I've touched on this in another thread ADG. It's unfathomable how there is such a lack of skill and discipline in the US armed forces. You would think if this whole friendly fire thing was typical of all armed forces, why do we only hear about American caused incidents?

What the hell are they teaching these guys? Or are they all hopped up on "go pills"??

 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:01 am

I've touched on this in another thread ADG. It's unfathomable how there is such a lack of skill and discipline in the US armed forces.

This is nonsense. The American liberation of Iraq was very precise and clean. Few Iraqi deaths. Virtually no refugees (despite the UN estimate of 1M that would be created).

There will always be friendly fire incidents. They remain however few & far between, given the scale of the Iraqi liberation.

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:11 am

ADG: Good to hear from you. It is remarkable how you only find news clippings showing the U.S. military messing up in some way or another. The friendly fire incident was stupid and from the viewpoint of us internet users, lacking of common sense. U.S. troops are just as prone to mistakes as all others. That being said, we were not on the battlefield and don't know the entire situation. Did the Marine think that he was taking fire?

I find it remarkably difficult to believe that the Chinook pilot upon taking fire, knew who was firing at him, decided to stop his mission, land, shut down and then start a fight. This incident definately would have made the news here due to the a fight starting between the two parties. Any links to this other than copy of a "claimed" article? The Marine was wrong and stupid for firing on the Chinook and the Chinook pilot was wrong and stupid for what he did. 2 wrongs don't make a right.


I'm still waiting for the answers to two questions:

1) If the US soldiers are so bloody great, why did they fire on The Palestine Hotel (full of jounalists) and the building only housing Al-Jazeera (with a tank mind you) even though both buildings and their contents were clearly communicated to both the Pentagon and central command in Qatar?

The soldiers had been fighting all day and were taking sniper fire from the building. They scanned back and forth with the turret in order to find where the sniper was. Did your news source forget to mention that the journalists were not allowed outside of the building at this time by the Iraqi military? Hmmm, could they have been using the building as a place to fire from without any repercussions?

2) Why oh why did the US not secure the Museum in Baghdad???

Why did the Iraqi people feel the need to go into their own countries muesem and destroy it? While muesems and pieces of history are important, they fall quite a way down on the military objective list. Once higher priority buildings and bridges were/are secured, the Muesem will be also.

And I absolutely REFUSE to accept the argument that 'this is war, bad stuff happens'. An urban battlefield such as Baghdad is not just some melting-pot of violence. If the supposed 'world's best' are in there 'protecting freedom' then why couldn't they:

In less than a week, the looting has for the most part stopped, lawlessness has ended and things are coming under control. I actually surprised that they were able to get the city under control in such a short amount of time.

1) Not fire on buildings which they knew were full of media

Answered above. The tank crew was taking sniper fire from buildings in the vicinity and believed to have found their man. It is remarkable to think that once they fired on the building, the sniper fire stopped also. Also, how do you "know" that the tank crew knew it was a "journalist" building? The tank crew is in the middle of urban warfare and was taking fire.

2) Secured one (ONE!) building full of some of the most tresured artifacts of our civilisation??

Again, muesems are not as important as bridges and key cross roads. The Marines didn't destroy the muesems collection, civilians did. How about questioning the motives of the Iraqi civilians who went into a known muesem and decided to rip it up?

Really. Sometimes I wish that the Brits had rolled into Baghdad.

Sometimes I wish those who judge the military and their way of doing business had some knowledge about how military operations work. The events you discussed are part of a larger picture that overall has turned out to be an outstanding military campaign with relatively few civilian deaths. Urban operations ARE going to lead to civilian deaths. If you can't accept that or understand that, then you refuse to understand what really happens in urban warfare.

As for the U.S. military, they are the best. Anytime, anyplace against anyone. They fought a campaign against one of the worlds largest armies, suffered minimal casualties and liberated the main capital in less than a month.

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:14 am

YYZ717,

In accordance with forum rules, please refer to me with embellishing my name with your derogatory bullshit.

In the mean time, answer me this. Look at Desert Storm, the war in Afghanistan, Kosovo and the recent occupation of Iraq. Now tell me how many of the "friendly fire" deaths were caused by American troops. Why is the tally so lop-sided?

It's funny YYZ717, how in many old threads you were accused of being anti-American and since then you've been trying to pass that label on to someone else. If you plan to continue this, try to come up with some proof.

 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:15 am

Why is the tally so lop-sided?

duh, look at the sheer number of US troops compared to others. You don't need a PhD in statistics to figure this one out......
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:34 am

CX747, I understand where you are coming from, but I don't understand how you can look at this so closedminded.

Marines fired upon the hotel as they were recieving *Sniper* fire.
First, this happened at night, the Iraqi military is not known to have night-vision-goggles, why didn't our troops put on a pair, and then get their snipers on the targets? The media was specificalle on floors 13-15, which is exactly where they were firing upon. Hmmmm...

Why didn't the marines secure the Museum??? Ok, Iraq is Anarchy, which means there is no law, or punishment, if your town had anarchy for 12 hours, you would take a stroll down to the bank, and get some quick cash....These artifacts are priceless, they can be sold for hundreds of millions of dollars to illegal buyers which are easily found. Some of the artifacts included stuff from the way back of the start of civilization, which is like finding a needle in 100 haystacks... and a F*@#ing bridge is more important???


I know there are mistakes in war, but one HAS to recognize big ones like these and avoid them....

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:41 am

duh, look at the sheer number of US troops compared to others. You don't need a PhD in statistics to figure this one out......


Then wouldn't you think that with so many American soldiers that there would be alot of them to accidently hit? If I shot a round into a desert with a single guy standing in it, wouldn't it be harder to hit someone than if the desert had 100,000 soldiers standing in it? I don't have a PhD in statistics, but I understand the laws of probability. And according to statistics, if you're a coalition soldier in a desert with an American soldier, you're "probably" going to get shot...

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:46 am

In the mean time, answer me this. Look at Desert Storm, the war in Afghanistan, Kosovo and the recent occupation of Iraq. Now tell me how many of the "friendly fire" deaths were caused by American troops. Why is the tally so lop-sided?


Could be there the one doing most of the fireing.90% of all forces in all U.N. conflicts are American.Thats why we need to get out of the U.N. Next time there needs to be a war fought let Canada and Australia handle it and see if there are any friendly fire incidents. We should let them handle N.Korea,see how well they do.
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:55 am

QANTASFOREVER: Today the Army had to go room to room through that Hotel looking for snipers and spotters.

The thing that surprises me is that the Marines let that pilot go. It has been my experience that if you pick a fight with one Marine, you are going to be fighting with every one in the vicinity.
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:02 am

I don't think that it was Marines that fired on the journalist building and I also don't think it took placed at night. Confusion etc happens in warfare when you are getting shot at. The tank was taking sniper fire, found its would be enemy and opened fire. The sniper fire ended. Also, why would the U.S. Army knowlingly open fire on a media installation? What good comes of it? You don't purposefully cause yourself pain.

As for a bridge being more important that an a muesem, YES. What the heck is wrong with you people. You always secure bridges and roadways in your objectve area, therefore allowing you to control the flow of people in and out.

As for the friendly fire incidents, there are more Americans in the field henceforth they have a great probability of making a mistake or of being on the receiving end of one. When are you people going to realize that war is not clean, not antiseptic and not fought in la la land where all possible information is laid out for you in a perfect manner. You are being shot at and want to end the attack. You look, find and destroy those that are attacking you. You don't take out a street map, find your exact location, radio back to H.Q.s, ask for permission to fire and then fire. By that time you and your friends could be DEAD.
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:16 am

It's funny YYZ717, how in many old threads you were accused of being anti-American

Stop making things up. I'm very pro-American. Always have been. I used to live in the US & may well go back (like so many other Canadians).

Have you ever lived anywhere but small, provincial, socialist Manitoba? it might broaden your horizons and diminish your hard-left anti-Americanism.

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:56 am

Stop making things up. I'm very pro-American. Stop making things up. I'm very pro-American. Always have been. I used to live in the US & may well go back (like so many other Canadians).

Have you ever lived anywhere but small, provincial, socialist Manitoba? it might broaden your horizons and diminish your hard-left anti-Americanism.


I agree. I didn't accuse you of it. I merely pointed out that posts on this forum exist accusing you of being an "Ameriphobe" Too bad you're so anti-Canadian though....

Broaden my horizons? Are you breathing too much of that smog over there in YYZ? How many smog alerts are you guys expecting this year?
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:05 pm

Are you breathing too much of that smog over there in YYZ?

That smog is from a booming economy that has to support economic back-waters like Winnipeg. You'd be poverty-stricken without hard-working Ontario & Alberta paying your bills.

So don't bite the hand that feeds......
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:13 pm

Exactly, if for no other reason than simply because US soldiers outnumber the rest of the coalition by at least 10:1, it's is proportionally more likely than any friendly fire incident will involve US soldiers. Even then saying "you're probably going to get shot" is quite a stretch...there have been what, 70 friendly fire casualties out of 250,000 coalition forces in the region? That's .00028%, less than 3 in 10,000.
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:24 pm

That smog is from a booming economy that has to support economic back-waters like Winnipeg. You'd be poverty-stricken without hard-working Ontario & Alberta paying your bills.

Bwahahahahaa...

Thanks for that YYZ717. I haven't laughed like that for awhile. Much of your "booming" smog come from automobiles and a poor excuse of a public transit system. About 50% comes across the lake from the US.

http://app.toronto.ca/im/taf/questionnaire1.jsp?clear=-

Anyway...

That's .00028%, less than 3 in 10,000.

How about reports of shooting at targets before positively identifying them? Isn't this case of firing at a Chinook seem kind of crazy? Wouldn't you like to find out what was going through this guys head?



 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:26 pm

How about reports of shooting at targets before positively identifying them? Isn't this case of firing at a Chinook seem kind of crazy? Wouldn't you like to find out what was going through this guys head?

Do you think they fire indiscriminately?????? A combat scene can be dark, confusing, sand-blown, noisy.

Is there ANY comment you can make that is not so damned anti-American all the time???????




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Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:33 pm

economic back-waters like Winnipeg

Stop making things up. I'm very pro-American. Always have been. I used to live in the US & may well go back (like so many other Canadians).

Have you ever lived anywhere but small, provincial, socialist Manitoba?


Can you ever say anything that's not anti-Canadian? Why do you loathe Manitoba so much?

 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:36 pm

I don't loathe Manitoba. I lived there as a little kid. They just have no incentive to improve their fiscal record as long as big brother ON and AB keep paying the bills. Cut off equalization payments I say.

By the way....being pro-American, pro-capitalist, fiscally conservative...are all traditional Canadian attributes.

Being socialist, anti-Western, anti-democratic, anti-American is very un-Canadian. Shame!

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:39 pm

Being socialist, anti-Western, anti-democratic, anti-American is very un-Canadian. Shame!

Who are you shaming? I'm none of these. This is just your way of trying to discredit people when you have nothing intelligent to say or you don't understand the topic....
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 1:07 pm

Some how I doubt this story it true, it hasn't been carried in any major paper that I know of, and since the British have proven to be jokers I am sure that this might be so with this particular story.
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:24 pm

The reason I posted this was because it was funny.

The reason I didn't post a similar article about another country is because I haven't seen one and I read a lot of current affairs/news stuff.

If you have a similar article with different countries .. then feel free to post it (god knows we've seen enough anti-France rhetoric out of you guys), but hey! until I can find something equally as amusing that relates to non americans i'm going to keep posting what I have.

But bear in mind that when I do start posts that don't relate to american or the war, people came out of the woodwork to complain when the focus of the front page of non_aviation wasn't on them and what they wanted. So I was just appeasing the masses.




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Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:42 pm

ADG,

The whole anti-american thing is bollocks.

If they (some) can run as much anti-anyone crap that they do, then we can post what can be perceived as anti-merc by some as much as we want.

We wouldn't want the moderators to be seen as having double standards now would we?

Any latteral thinking person can see that their is two sides to an argument - most of the time when it's an anti-american thing the *anti* side is right becuase it is simply being discussed.

Yet those of us that question them are shouted down or posts are removed?

When was the last time you saw a zealot calling the chinese *barbarians* and *chi-coms* removed?

Ahhhh...

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