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US Nuclear Weapons In Germany

Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:40 pm

Looks like I'm starting more military topics than anybody else in the last time. Anyway...

Does anybody (L-188?) have an idea how many and which kind of nuclear weapons (missiles, bombs) were based in Germany, and who had the final decisions about their usage? I know that at least one Tornado squadron of the Luftwaffe was/is equipped with nuclear bombs, but I don't know whether the bombs are under US or German control.

Germany is officially not allowed to have any nuclear weapons, however the weapons were based in Germany and with the German army in order to ensure that the Russians don't do dumb things if they think they had detected a political split in the NATO.
 
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RE: US Nuclear Weapons In Germany

Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:39 pm

>>>I know that at least one Tornado squadron of the Luftwaffe was/is equipped with nuclear bombs, but I don't know whether the bombs are under US or German control.

No way. The RAF had some Tornadoes with nuclear weapons based in Germany, though.

US nuclear weapons in Germany were mainly ICBMs (Pershing).

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RE: US Nuclear Weapons In Germany

Tue Apr 15, 2003 11:39 pm

Pershing was no ICBM, it was an IRBM.

Pershing I was a weird deployment, the missiles being owned by Germany and the warheads by the US.

German aircraft (and Dutch, Danish, Belgian, Norwegian) are equipped to handle nuclear weapons (or at least they can be adapted quickly by plugging in some electronics).
The weapons are under positive US control though (or were before being withdrawn to the USA in the 1990s) and would only be released to the units shortly before being used.

In times of war, nuclear weapons might be moved to staging areas at or near units allocated to use them, remaining under US guard until the moment they had to be loaded for use.
Positive control of tactical weapons would at that moment pass to the unit commander tasked with deploying the weapons operationally.

That's the theory at least, in practice it's far more likely the weapons would be released far earlier to speed up the deployment process, with only launchkeys being kept under positive control by US troops colocated with the foreign units.
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RE: US Nuclear Weapons In Germany

Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:06 am


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RE: US Nuclear Weapons In Germany

Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:29 am

I believe that most of the nuclear weapons based in then-West Germany were mostly short-range rockets such as the Lance and 155 mm artillery shells until the early 1980's, when the Ground-Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM) and Pershing II became operational. Most nuclear bombs dropped from aircraft were usually based in the UK (RAF Tornado GR.1's and USAF F-111D/E/F models) or in France (Mirage IV and Mirage 2000N).

Conversely, the Soviets based a lot of their shorter-range ballistic missiles in East Germany and Czechoslovakia (e.g., SS-12 Scaleboard), plus FROG 7 rockets and 180 mm artillery shells in East Germany. The Soviets used a combination of Tu-16 Badger, Tu-22 Blinder, Tu-22M Backfire, and Su-24 Fencer planes for their air-dropped nuclear weapons. The Soviets also fielded the SS-20 missile, which was designed to attack Western Europe from well inside the Soviet Union.
 
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RE: US Nuclear Weapons In Germany

Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:32 am

The US also introduced land based Nuclear Cruise Missisles to Germany, the Greens protested like crazy but the deployment got the desired results from the Soviets, their withdrawl of their new intermediate range nuclear missisles. The US withdrew the Cruise missisles shortly after.

Check these websites,

http://www.bullatomsci.org/issues/nukenotes/nd95nukenote.html

http://www.thebulletin.org/issues/nukenotes/nukenote.html
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RE: US Nuclear Weapons In Germany

Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:41 pm

German aircraft (and Dutch, Danish, Belgian, Norwegian) are equipped to handle nuclear weapons (or at least they can be adapted quickly by plugging in some electronics).

Also Italian Tornados can carry nuclear weapons. They were stored both in Aviano (USAF) and Ghedi (Italian Air Force, 80km east of Milan), the latter used a double-key system shared between USA and Italy. Some silos with ICBM were located through southern Italy. I think Germany and USA used a similar system in their shared AFB.
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RE: US Nuclear Weapons In Germany

Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:02 pm

the missiles in Italy were Thor IRBMs if I'm not mistaken. The same weapons were deployed to the UK and Turkey as well, and dismantled 30 years ago.
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RE: US Nuclear Weapons In Germany

Thu Apr 17, 2003 9:01 pm

I don't think Italy ever had any ballistic missiles based in that country.

I do know that Thor missiles were based in the UK and Jupiter missiles were based in Turkey during the early 1960's. Up until recently, the French had land-based IRBM's in western France, too.

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