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SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:46 am

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/04/15/historic.cruise.ship.ap/index.html

A great day for liner fans. The old greyhound will live again.
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:50 am

What a great story! My mother came to the U.S. on the United States in 1961. She aways spoke so fondly of the crossing! I'm going to be paying close attention to this one.
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:56 am

Treat this thread with a pinch of salt, would you? I don't think this has been substantiated or verified.

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:02 am

Hmmm, rather ironic the ship is docked in Philadelphia, the late Grace Kelly's
(Princess Grace of Monaco) home town. As stated in the article, it was this ship the blonde and gorgeous Ms. Kelly sailed on from New York to Monaco to marry Prince Rainier.
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:02 am

Indeed, wonderful news.
NCL has the deep pockets necessary to do a first class restoration.

Hopefully, they will not modify her in the extreme. She is by far, one of the most graceful vessels ever conceived.

This time last year I thought she was go to the breakers for sure. With all the terrible happenings in the last few years, this is a pleasant respite.

I have quite a collection of aluminum and stainless lamps, vases, etc from her---I wonder if they'd like to buy them back!
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:03 am

Norwegian is a solid cruise line, with a history of building very large ships. They also bought the SS France years ago and put it into service. If they announce that they have bought the ship, I believe them. It's not as if some unkown little company made the announcement.

This is great news. The SS United States was a wonderful, one-of-a-kind ship from an era that will never return - that of the transatlantic greyhounds.

Doesn't she still hold the Blue Riband?

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Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:05 am

Aaah, and the S.S. United States (formerly the Constitution) was the ship used in the classic "I Love Lucy" episode where the Ricardos and the Mertzes travel to Europe. Just a little history and trivia thrown in here.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:14 am

Modifications? It only needs a couple...

Like an outdoor swimming pool, a climbing wall, extra outside staterooms, a teal and white paint job, panoramic penthouse suite, helipad, bowling alley, funny-character-costume changing room, day-care center, another swimming pool jacuzzis, fireworks launcher, giant relief map of the Caribbean, lobster traps, neon lobster tank, lobster-bib sorting machine, comedy club, comedian, wheelchair ramps, "World of Steerage" exhibit, catalytic converter, Diversity Officer, feng shui room, puke-proof carpets, massage parlor, accupuncture center, liposuctor, 15' plasma TV, and a current inspection sticker.
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:15 am

Doesn't she still hold the Blue Riband?

Charles...

As far as ocean going superships, yes....she was the last 'ocean liner' to win. Her top speed is still classified (she was built, remember, partially with the task of getting American troops quickly to a European Soviet front)...but it was best guessed at 52 knots. She held it for nearly 40 years.

Since 1990, the Blue Riband has become a plaything for rich guys and their sponsors.....the only specification is that the vessel be a passenger ship. So, some custom built speed yacht is built and a token fare paying passenger or two is tucked aboard. Definately not very glamourous, but hey.....who cares about the pendant as long as this gorgeous piece of what's good about human imagination and engineering is BACK in all her glory!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:24 am

Aaah, and the S.S. United States (formerly the Constitution)

I think you're confusing the United States with two smaller liners owned by the American (Export) Shipping Lines, Constitution and Independence who were similar in looks but not as large. Both ships sailed long and charmed lives right through the 1990s. Both, I believe, are laid up awaiting the torch.

The SS United States(her only given name as far as I know) actually was designed as a bigger. more modern version of her forerunner, the SS America. When side by side, America looked like a 2/3rds size replica of United States. America became Amerika, sailing under Greek registry for many years, then American Star. Spent after decades of service, she still took charge of her fate, wrecking on the coast of the Canary Islands sometime in the mid 90s while being towed to the shipbreakers.
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:25 am

Good to know its not Carnival Cruise Lines thats buying her.

Otherwise, Blue Riband or not, they'd turn her into a tacky floating casino.

Interesting to note that the SS United States is being refurbished even as the QE2 faces retirement next year.
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:27 am

Heavymetal, thanks for correcting my error and clearing that up.
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:07 am

Outstanding NEWS!

I see this ship every time I go to Philly, hopefully I'll be able to take a vacation on this ship.

Perhaps a Caribean/trans Panama Canal trip, Alaskan cruise, or Bermuda from NY.
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:14 am

The QE2 does not face retirement next year. She just applied for a three year license from Lloyd's and DNV--with no exemptions (so it's likely she'll remain in UK hands)
Althought the newer QM2 (153,000gwt) will do translantic duty in the summer (2004)--both ships will be cruising the Med and Carib in the fall and winter.

Althought the QE2 is over thirty years old...her move to turbine engines in the 80's still makes her viable for many years.

In addition, she has been SOLAS compliant for a decade.

If they choose to flag her somewhere else, it likely she could be around for another 15!
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:27 am

Norwegian Cruise Lines also bought the retired SS Independence. I believe it was the oldest ocean liner in service having first set sail in 1947. It was retired in 2001 after years of service around the Hawaiian Islands. Hopefully I will get to see that ship and its' classic twin-funnel design again. The cruise ships they make now look ugly in my opinion.
The SS United States will be refurbished in the US and outfitted in a foreign country. She is the fastest ocean liner ever capable of 40+ knots. She has been rotting for decades, although I suppose NCL did a thorough inspection before they purchased her.
Norwegian Cruise Lines just got a special exemption from the US government allowing them to be re-flagged. They have one large ship doing the inter-island runs in Hawaii with two more new-builds on the way. NCL is expanding big time in the United States.
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:28 am

hopefully I'll be able to take a vacation on this ship.

I'm not so sure, ST. I began to ponder what Jay said about QE2 and I thought to myself.....why would they spend this much money to ressurrect her?

The answer: Money.

I wouldn't be surprised to see United States decked out more as a huge private yacht than a typical modern cruise ship. Upper end "niche" cruising has always been an exclusive end of the cruise industry, and as the big modern monstrosities continue to pack in more of the cattle from Des Moines and Kalamazoo at $499 per person, the more discriminating cruiser might be looking for a little more class and adventure.

If I had to guess, United States will be decked out to please the upper end cruise market, with ticket prices 2 or 3 grand or above.

 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:45 am

This is the BEST news I've had in years!
Yahooo! This is very cool. I just pray she stays on the US register.

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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:36 am

Great news! I would love to see someone save her from the scrapper! It would be a massive job to refit her after years of neglect. I heard talk about her being converted to a museum like the Queen Mary in Long Beach,which is a fabulous attraction to tour. The resto would make a breat TV documentary on like TLC . I wonder how structurally sound she is ? Anyway,here's an official link to her.




http://www.ssunitedstates.org/
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:46 am

It's Official, from NCL's website
http://www.ncl.com/news/pr041403.htm

They also purchased the S/S Independence, they are studying whether they can return that ship to service.

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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:55 am

Ah! Ha! Now I'm beginning to see the light.....and the light is...Senator Trent Lott...

The refurbishment of the hull and superstructure will be done at US shipyards with the outfitting completed overseas.

A new federal law will allow NCL to complete the stalled Project America as a US flagged and US manned operation for inter-island Hawaii cruise service. NCL purchased the partially completed first Project America ship and substantial materials and related components for the second Project America ship from Northrop Grumman Ship Systems (NGSS) in September 2002. The legislative initiative was designed to recover the US investment in Project America, generating hundreds of millions of dollars in economic activity and tax receipts, and creating more than 20,000 US jobs.


Lott pulls out all the stops to keep his bread and butter industry, shipbuilding in Pascagoula, swimming in federal loot. You may rest assured there's likely some serious federal cash going into both the United States and the suddenly re-born Project America.

The cynic in me smells corporate welfare. The shiplover doesn't care. I guess I'll have to deal with it.
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:08 am

Yeah there's a Federal law that Foreign Flagged ships cannot connect US to each other, so people and goods cannot be transported by a foreign flag carrier from one US port to another.

I guess NCL got around this some how, with some help.

So does this mean they will be running Hawaiin cruises only with these ships?

Checking NCL's website they have some great Hawaiin iteneraries..

7-day cruises from Honolulu,



10-day (by the way who's Fanning island Republic of Kiribati)



11-day



10-day Honolulu-Vancouver

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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:26 am

Actually, the United States held the Blue Riband for a long, long time. It wasn't broken until the British took that Channel Cat high speed fricking FERRY of their's that was meant to cross the English Channel and decided that they should have the Blue Riband just because their trimaran made one special trip across the Atlantic with fare paying "passengers". Frankly, I don't have a problem with the British have the Blue Riband, but a ferry? It belongs to one of the great liners.

'Nuff said.
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:30 am

Although I'm not sure exactly what the 1990 figure means, if that was the Channel Cat or not. Hmmm....

And frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing a race between the Enterprise and the United States. That would be interesting. Although I've heard that the Enterprise's top speed is limited by the fact that the hull starts deforming if you go too fast. That's got to be fast.











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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:38 am

^ Those pictures are all from http://www.ssunitedstates.org/
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:43 am

Is it coincidence that they announce this on the anniversary of Titanic's demise?
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Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:48 am

By the way, here's a description of Richard Branson's $7 million attempt to gain the Blue Riband in 1987. http://www.ss-united-states.com/br1.html Also a good picture from that site, lol

Some nice "conspiracy theories" from http://ss-united-states.com/upB214.html

1) Biggest Secret about the Big U. Top Speed? 47 knots? Fact or Fiction? 50+ knots?

2) Regarding speed - it's said the U never really was called on to use her full speed. Some say restricter plates were installed to limit full flank speed. Fact or fiction?

3) Fact or fiction? The brand new and first nuclear sub USS Nautilus SSN571 surfaces alongside the U running at full speed and flashes a coded message to the Big U? What was the message?

4) Fact or fiction? There's a sonar recording of the SS UNITED STATES at speed - her four screws easily distinguished from any other vessel? If you wore ears in your boat - we want to hear from you. Note to DOD types: if you've got access to a recording and it's reclassified - help us get a wav file for the world to hear on-line.

5) Fact or fiction? A navy radar operator off the coast of England picks up a return on his screen and types it as a helicopter approaching. The radar op tells his CO it's a chopper. The CO walks out to make visual and the SS UNITED STATES goes "flying by" instead at full speed?

6) Fact or fiction? The SS UNITED STATES carried more silver and gold between continents than any other liner in history up until 1969?

7) Fact or fiction? Bob Hope upon arriving in Southampton aboard the SS UNITED STATES is filmed joking, "I understand Cunard issued a 21 torpedo salute." But in fact, did a Royal Navy sub on exercises inadvertently fire a torpedo near the Big U - when a crew member misunderstood the command to stand down during exercises? That torpedo ended up on a beach and was ever so quietly removed by the stealthy Royal Navy - and the maiden voyage of the Big U wasn't the least bit spoiled. Fact or fiction?



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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:50 am

Titanic. Wow, has it been 6 years already? I remember when I first went to see it, where I was a measly 23 years of age back in 1997.

I'm sure it was realsed in November or December though.

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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:54 am

She certainly will need a $hitload of work to make her sail again! I read that everything has been gutted and that yearly tours are offered to enthusiasts,but you can't wander off too far as there are no lights in the corrodores. She must be real spooky inside all gutted and dark and musty smelling.....
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:13 am

Also,she hasn't sailed under her own power in 34 years!
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:05 am

So how big is the ship? How many tonnes?

I heard that QM1 might actually sail again but it will be very hard. Its too old. Also they already cut a hole in the front.
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:45 am

990' 6" long she is. I highly doubt the Queen Mary will sail again,she's a huge dray to Long Beach and she has no boilers and 1 prop. Her sailing again is very unlikely.
I highly recommend vistiting the Queen Mary,I did so December 01 and had agreat time wandering the ship at my pace for the whole day.Make sure you go on the Ghosts and Legends tour.You take an elevator to the botoom deck where the boilers used to be, and where legend says, you can hear the screaming of the soldiers whose ship was t-boned and they were left for dead or sucked into her props as she was under orders not to stop as she would be a sitting duck for a torpedo.
Also part of the tour is a visit to the first class pool which is said to be a portal to the spiritual world and whose bottom always has a wet spot though the pool has been empty for years.
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:49 am

I too am glad to see any engineering marvel, like the SS United States, saved from the scrapyard! It kind of like seeing (and hearing!) a Connie taking off - just an absolutely BEAUTIFUL sight! Good job, NCL!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:13 am

If the SS United States does sail again, expect a massive rebuild along the lines of what NCL did to the France to become the SS Norway.

That means removing the power generating machinery and replacing it with modern gas-turbine engines of slightly lower power but much higher reliability. Also, expect the interiors to be completely gutted and rebuilt from scratch with the type of modern amenities you expect from current-generation cruise ships.

So instead of a cruise ship capable of 45+ knots the top speed will be more like 30-32 knots. You still need to 30 knot top speed due to the need to traverse the Pacific between Hawaii and Vancouver, BC.
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:09 pm

I am really hoping that she doesn't loose her speed. Please, please don't. Obviously, she wouldn't run at 45 knots all the time (she never did)....but she could. Big grin

Of course, lugging around more turbine power than you need is wasteful, but so what?
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Wed Apr 16, 2003 10:22 pm

Before anything begins, they'll probably replace her powerplants--they are grossly inefficient compared to what is available today. You only need 18 knots to cruise at most, anyway. Remember, that is the same engine arrangment and horsepower used for the USS Forrestal (an aircraft carrier).

Clearly she will need more cabins up top to make her viable. And the interior arrangement will need to be changed to accomodate single class acommodations...not to mention moving the public rooms from her bowels to higher decks.

It will be quite a feat. Personally, I would like to see her restored with little or only minor changes.

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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Thu Apr 17, 2003 7:13 am

Humph. I still want to see her flying along at 40+ knots.
 
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RE: SS United States To Sail Again!

Thu Apr 17, 2003 8:11 am

Seeing her move under her own power at all would be great - hasn't happened in 34 years,though........
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