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US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:28 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2958009.stm

What can I say: I'm agree with the things this man is saying and I can't explain myself why the Bush administration is so blind and do not understand how important would have been to save the "Iraq's national museum", for obvious cultural and political reasons.

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P.S.: knowing that, while the ministry of oil was save (because it was surrounded by the U.S. Army), the Iraq's national museum was destroyed, made my vary sad and angry.  Sad
 
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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:44 pm

The title of the article is misleading. Should read "cultural advisors resign over museum looting'.

'experts' is too vague. "looting" is very ambiguous.
 
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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 12:52 am

I saw on the news last night that "looters" have been raping the residents of Iraqi mental hospitals.

I guess Bush's speech that announced an end to "rape rooms" terror, and lawlessness was a tad premature.

The coalition forced really dropped the ball here in my opinion. Right now, Iraqi people are in a state of complete anarchy and lawlessness. Perhaps a pre-emptive strike on the ruling faction is in order. Do we need to remove the current coalition regime?

By the way. If any Iraqi people are reading this, head for the oil wells. They are the only well protected property in the country. Go figure....
 
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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:31 am

The coalition forced really dropped the ball here in my opinion.

They liberated Iraq from tyranny. Only you would say they dropped the ball. More anti-American hatred.

Do we need to remove the current coalition regime?

And install who in their place? Your beloved Saddam? How about Castro? Kim Jong-IL? Reincarnate Stalin or Hitler?  Insane
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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:34 am

More anti-American hatred.

And again!!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up You want to break some record, Yyz717?  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:35 am

And install who in their place? Your beloved Saddam? How about Castro? Kim Jong-IL? Reincarnate Stalin or Hitler

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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 2:08 am

The idiocy of the left is really sad. They'd rather have Saddam and his kind in power any day of the week than a nation that respects real freedom. Then again if old intern banging Klintoon was in power, they would be singing his praises 110% for doing such a great job in Iraq.  Yeah sure

Just so you know, it looks like almost all of the stolen artifacts were the result of an “inside job” by museum employees and not "looters" off the streets. Also, it real nice how the BBC leaves out a few important details about the head guy who resigned. He wasn’t a Bush appointee but a leftover from Klintoon. More BBC bias at work.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two cultural advisers to the Bush administration have resigned in protest over the failure of U.S. forces to prevent the wholesale looting of priceless treasures from Baghdad's antiquities museum.

Martin Sullivan, who chaired the President's Advisory Committee on Cultural Property for eight years, and panel member Gary Vikan said they resigned because the U.S. military had had advance warning of the danger to Iraq's historical treasures.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2588521
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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 4:31 am

They liberated Iraq from tyranny. Only you would say they dropped the ball. More anti-American hatred.

Now you're taking the "anti-American" tack to a ridiculous level, Yyz. There's nothing anti-American about saying that the Coalition forces dropped the ball on this one. I happen to agree. The U.S. and British forces should have been much more aggressive in cities like Basra and Baghdad in restoring law and order, and not let such looting go on-as they watched, I might add.

When you take out the authority than runs the country, you had better be damn well good and ready to replace it ASAP, and the U.S. and British did not do that. It was a huge mistake, that is generating some ill will where it shouldn't have been generated.

The idiocy of the left is really sad.

You just can't think of anything original to say, can you B757300. If someone disagrees with your, it's an "idocy of the left". This has nothing to do with left or right, Cowboy, it has everything to do that the U.S. did in fact not move to keep civil order after the U.S. removed Saddam's forces. It left a vacum in an area where a vacum shouldn't have been left.

They'd rather have Saddam and his kind in power any day of the week than a nation that respects real freedom.

Again, it seems you have difficulty understanding things beyond what Bush commands his loyal follwers. This particular incident, and those like it involving looting and rioting, isn't about Saddam Hussein or who should be in charge. The U.S. put ISTELF in charge, and should have been playing The Good Sheriff, not allowing rampant looting that has insulted the sensebilities of many in the country, and, obviously, a few in the Bush Administration.

And gee, what a shock-you find to take a swipe at Clinton. You're really absurd sometimes, B757300.
 
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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 4:53 am

Alpha 1, you're really frightening me... One more post of yours that I totally agree with.

Fact #1: The looting of Iraqi museums is a cultural tragedy.
Fact #2: This tragedy could have prevented by coalition forces which were ordered to guard the Iraqi oil ministry, oil wells and refineries instead.
Fact #3: Many people think that this tragedy was a mistake of the USA, many may even think it was its fault.

Given that the entire Arab world is not charmed by the way it's being treated by the US government, it will be fairly easy to transform this cultural disaster into yet another reason for anti-American hatred.

Given that most people in this world doubt George Bush's estimation for cultural values (other than cowboy hats and lassos), the actions the coalition forces did and did not take in Baghdad are yet another reason to criticise his understanding of "liberating Iraq".
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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:03 am

Maybe if France, Germany, and Canada had committed some troops they could've preformed guard duty at the museums and hospitals.
 
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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:05 am

One more thing, B757300, it does seem that the Museum heists were inside jobs. Even putting that aside, why didn't Centcom have forces patrolling near sites with great historical value for the Iraqi people? An archielologist about two weeks ago was on CNN, priasing the Pentagon for painstakingly pointing out historical sites, and now, the Pentagon has thrown all that away simply by not following up and doing what it should have done-protected those national treasures.

And why is it doctors at hospitals have to stand gurad with rifles to protect those inside, and the patients they have. Again, when you throw the sherrif out of town, B757300, no matter who he is, it becomes your job to be The Sherrif. And the U.S. did drop the ball on this account.

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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:05 am

"Maybe if France, Germany, and Canada had committed some troops they could've preformed guard duty at the museums and hospitals."

How lame will it get? The coalition is occupying Iraq, it's their job to look after it during the first time. And please don't tell me Iraq was only "liberated", not "occupied".

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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:32 am

And why is it doctors at hospitals have to stand gurad with rifles to protect those inside, and the patients they have. Again, when you throw the sherrif out of town, B757300, no matter who he is, it becomes your job to be The Sherrif. And the U.S. did drop the ball on this account.

Well put. But add to that the warnings that were issued by the Military and Civlian advisors which were promptly ignored and you have further proof that those who *organised* the war did indeed drop the ball on this issue.





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RE: US Experts Resign Over Iraq Looting

Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:41 am

It's been reported that the looting was an "inside" job, meaning they had keys to certain vaults.

Also the actual amount of looting was not as severe as first reported, the Iraqis were stealing from themselves. Hopefully they will get the pieces stolen back, the FBI is sending agents to Baghdad to help.

Also the US had more important things to do besides guard a freaking muesuem, the Syrains let bus loads of Arab Suicide squads into Iraq. These foreign fighters were still shooting and killing Americans even as Baghdad was celebrating it's liberation.

Again if the French or someone else wanted to send someone to guard the mueseums they should have, instead acts of obstructionism from France and Turkey who would not let the 4th Infantry division open a second front made the war much harder to execute.

The war would have been over quicker, with more security if Turkey had let the 4th ID into Northern Iraq, but alas they wanted instability to possibly open the door for their own invasion.

The pieces in that museum that were stolen are "around" and with time most will be found, the lives of the US troops in Baghdad lost while the Muesuem was being looted were lost FOREVER.

The hell with the muesuem, the dumb asses stole from themselves. They are the ones that have to with themselves, they were all looting. Eventualy the Iraqi police force will be rebuilt and some of the items recovered by them, others will be recovered when people try to sell them.

Saddams regime is to blame, they shut off the power to Baghdad (not the US) , they shut off the water (not the US) and they released thousands of hardned criminals in the days and weeks before Baghdad fell for the sole purpose of created havoc onto the Colalition and worst of all their own people.
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