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I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:06 am

Hey guys,

I'm a mature 17 year old who knows the dangers of motorcycles to start out with....

I want a 750cc Honda Shadow or similar bike (no sport bikes please) and I told my parents I was going to take a New York State motorcycle safety class however they are totally against me riding a motorcycle. They said that they want to buy me a nice car (Right now I drive an Envoy and they want me to keep it!), however I said I didn't want a car because college is in a year and a half and a car won't be necessary in New York City. So even if I don't get a motorcycle a car that nice for a 17 year old is totally unnecessary, but I'm very grateful they would let me have an Envoy.

The point is I'm turning 18 in November and they told me until then I couldn't get one. I question their logic because a few more months won't make me more mature. I've been a volunteer at the fire department for more then 4 years, have held a steady job since age 15....

I need some help in trying to convince them to let me get one. I would use it when the weather is nice only, and drive it locally (I don't live in a big village and there a lot of back roads and a lot of bike riders around where I live).

Can you guys help me make suggestions? Buying a bike to use it for the last few months I'm living home is pointless, however getting one now would be ideal because of I have two summers left of riding plus early fall and this spring.

Thank You,
JP

By the way, I'd pay insurance too!
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:56 am

Last time i checked...you had to be 18 for volunteer FD's...not 13.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:04 am

Tell them about the gas prices....an Envoy eats up a lot of gas!
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:10 am

Not exactly on topic, but-

youngest age I've seen for you to be able to join a volunteer fire dept is 17- that's the age for many around here in Long Island, including the one I'm a member of.

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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A

Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:27 am

One word: DONORCYCLE.

Being an organ donor on your driver's license is one thing. Intentionally becoming an organ donor is not as honorable.

Sorry to seem harsh, but just this afternoon I saw the result of a flat tire on a motorcycle. I've never seen someone fly through the air like that before. If I had seen it from farther back I would have stopped to help (if the person could even use help after that.) Unfortunately I was nearly astride him at the time and before I truly realized what had happened I was far beyond the point of return.


redngold

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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:32 am

He probably doesn't mean as an actual volunteer firefighter. How'd you get an Envoy so young? That's like the guy in my hall who drives a recent model Yukon Denali.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A

Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:46 am

All of my uncles rode Cycles at one point in thier lives including my dad. They all loved riding their bikes yet my father won't let me get a bike either. I don't really want one now because of what he told me and partly cause I have som common sense. My uncle was nearly killed in a Biking accident where a car pulled out RIGHT in front of him and he slammed right into the car. He was thrown off the bike into the sholder of the road. He was lucky he lived to tell about it. My father agrees that biking is a great thrill, especially riding along the Blue Ridge Parkway(Paved two lane road that runs along the tops of the Appalacian Mountains).

Riding is a lot of fun but it is extremely dangerous, even with a helmet on! Helmets protect your skull and only your skull. They don't keep you from becoming a paralized vegitable in a bed for the rest of your life.

Don't risk 1.5 years of enjoyment for the rest of your life. Most people never have a major accident riding bikes but then there are those who do. And it only takes a little accident to ruin the rest of your life. Hell, take the Envoy and go! If you are going to go to college in NYC then either get a Moped, for convenience and low costs, or take the Envoy for the ladies. Not a Bike...

Best of luck!  Smile

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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:07 pm

I worked as a firefighter/medic for a year and 1/2...most of the motorcycle accidents i ran on were attributed to stupidity. Also...kids with nice cars arent that uncommon...i see a bunch of rich kids driving around Phoenix in new Beamers and Lexii.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:09 pm

You use your own pocket MONEY! Because you're 17 and you have a job!! You don't need your parents to buy one for you!! If you bought one, your parents don't mind about it!!
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:50 pm

You are a mature 17 year old now (chuckle), but what happens in 2 or 3 years when you want to impress your girlfriend or your friends. You start drinking a bit, and then a bit more, and then a bit more still. Besides, you do not have to drink a lot to get drunk. At some stage or another your friends will want to see your drunk and spike your drinks with a double vodka.
Now before you start telling me, "my friends would not do that", they will do just that! Believe me, I have been in that position a few times.
When that happens you will want to impress people, and usually that does not mean you are doing anything smart.

There goes maturity. And when you are unlucky a whole lot more.

I can know, I was a mature 17 year old just 4 years ago. Big grin Now I know how to drink, and do stupid things! I may not have a motorbike or a car, but I have done a few stupd things I never thought I would do just 4 years ago.

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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:31 pm

A girl I worked with at a station in Dallas was killed last Thursday night just riding with her friends. She was a safe, competent rider.....she just hit a pothole the wrong way on an S curve. Into the concrete wall. D-O-A.

Mid twenties, great career, had just finished getting a degree. It's not your abilities or maturity that make motorcycles so dangerous, Panam....like aviation, it's the unknown variables. The unplanned.

I'd pass on the bike, at least until you're older and wiser, and age has determined the possibilities of some of those unknowns.


 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:31 pm

that they have a program where anyone who's 14 or higher can respond on all calls however we can only be a level one. All calls medic and fire. For medic calls you have to be a CFR.
I've seen my share of bike accidents, however moreso car accidents.

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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:59 pm

Oh, I thought you were talking about my kind of bike, i.e. a mountain bike (bicycle), and I was going to say that it was very sad that you would be deprived of that pleasure. But you are talking about motorcylces, and If I were your parent, I wouldn't let you have one either. Having seen some of the moronic stunts being pulled by local motorists, I wouldn't want anyone of my relation out there with zero protection.

If you feel that you really truly want a motorcycle, wait until you are 18. But even then I'd still advise against it. That is unless you like the idea of being ER fodder.

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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:02 am

Sorry pal, you're preaching to the wrong choir.

Basically there are two types of people who ride motorcycles: Those who have had an accident on one and those who are going to. I've seen too many motorcycle accidents in the ER to recommend it, some of them really bad who come to the ER with the hubris not to wear a helmet.

Take my advice: sell the Envoy and get a different Honda: A Honda Civic.

Charles SJ

PS: if you still decide to get the motorcycle, PLEASE have the good sense to wear a helmet!
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 4:27 am

Your parents probably think that if you are not mature enough to buy your own Envoy, then you are certainly not mature enough for a bike. They're right.

When someone else buys you something, most people don't respect it as much as something they bought themself. Your mindset will be (even if you don't know you're thinking it), "If a mess up this bike, my mommy and daddy will buy me another." If you buy a bike yourself, then you'll be taking better care of it and riding a lot safer.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 4:37 am

Replying to post number 14....

That's totally wrong and I don't buy that one bit. Sorry.

You can comment about my age and riding a motorcycle, but telling me that I'm a spoiled brat is another and I won't tolerate it.


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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A

Wed Apr 23, 2003 5:23 am

I wouldnt give you a motorcycle. In fact, I wouldnt want anyone in my family driving a motorcycle. The question is, "Do you really have a death wish?" Fact is, most motorcyclists are complete dolts and drive like complete a-holes.
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 5:41 am

Many of the nurses where I work call them "Suicycles".

I have a good friend who was hoping to be a career Marine. He was riding his bike, obeying the traffic rules, when a pickup backed out of a driveway in front of him (the driver "didn't see" him). He hit the side of the truck, landed in the bed, bounced out, and hit the asphault. They were digging asphalt chunks out of his hands. He broke several bones and for a while, they thought he might not live. But he did. The trouble was, he can't stand on his feet for extended periods without experiencing severe pain. Hence, he's not "battle ready", and it was "good-bye Marine career".

My brother in law was riding on a freeway on his bike when a car decided he wanted to take the next exit. My brother-in-law ended up sliding into a (fortunately) grassy area. The bike was pretty beat up, but he was just shaken.

My sister in laws brother was riding on a road, doing the speed limit, entering a slight curve. There was gravel - he hit it, went off the road, and hit a tree. He's a quadraplegic today.

All the safety courses in the world won't protect you from other drivers. Hitting a tree in a car, at least you've got some sheet metal protecting you. On a bike, it's you against the obstacle.

 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 5:45 am

I think you guys are being just a little bit harsh on MaxPowers. From my understanding, it is him that is getting the bike, not his parents buying it for him. If everything he says is true, he seems like a responsible person for his age. However, I think it is also understandable that a parent wouldn't want their kid to have a bike, because they are very dangerous. But if your parents just want you to wait until you're 18, then so be it, that's not such a big deal.
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 6:00 am

Thanks for the disscussion guys,

However a few things. I know the dangers of a Motorcycle, there was an accident a few weeks ago where a guy riding a motorcycle hit a guard rail, and his hed got chopped off. However when we arrived on scene (it was a cold nippy but nice night) his blood quaglated very quick and it looked like someone made us jello!

I wasn't asking for a scared straight threat, because it won't work on me as I have seen some pretty shitty stuff in my life.

Is there any normal argumet I can give besides telling my parents that the hospitals need fresh and healthy hearts and lungs?


By the way fellas...
This is a Honda Shadow...


This is an Envoy...

 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 6:15 am

At 17 you've got the mindset of "it'll never happen to me". Then it does. A lot of motorcyclists think that they are willing to "accept" the risk. But to them, the "risk" is death. Don't think about that. Think instead of what a bummer life would be if, at 18, you end up paralyzed from the neck down. All because somebody didn't see you and made a left turn in front of you.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 7:25 am

The Shadow is a very nice bike! I admit, I once thought it would be really cool to have a motorcycle. I'd be happy with a 500cc bike, just to enjoy the freedom it could provide. However, I also admit I'm scared of something happening. I enjoy driving quickly (albeit responsibly). There are too many risks involved in riding motorcycles that I thought weren't worth it. But yes it is a huge thrill, and I hope you get that bike soon and don't run into some bad luck.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:21 am

Something a dad told to his son (not my dad, but I'll definitely tell it to my son(s))

'What ? You want a motorcycle ? No way ! You'll learn to fly, like everyone else !'

I'll never buy a motorbike to my kids (when I have some  Wink/being sarcastic ), but I hope I'll be able to teach them to fly.

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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:07 am

Your parents are right, you're 17 and you shouldn't have a bike. I have friends who are 21-22 and they're real immature when they get on their bike, one of them has even had a minor wreck. These guys have been riding for a few years too. Just because you take some 2-day class or read magazines doesn't make you a good rider.

Bikes are very dangerous in the hands of inexperienced riders.

You should be thankful that your parents bought you a $35,000 luxury SUV to toy around with. If you want a bike so bad, go out and earn the money for it and don't bother your parents about it.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:19 am

My dad has owned several bikes, still wants one at the age of 50! He too has had accidents, almost killed when a vehicle hit him and he went down a hill. Some people need thrills such as riding a bike like my dad, and sounds like you do to so leave him alone. He sounds like a crazy guy, but a mature, responsible one and that is better then most who get a bike.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:57 am

The very simple answer to your question is, there is nothing you can say to your parents to change their minds. It's in their genes. They have an inherent need to protect their baby from as much danger as possible.

You have to ask yourself are you willing to disrespect them and go against their wishes. If you are, then you're not as mature as you claim. If you try to pursuade them and change their minds, that is also a sign of immaturity. (Like a spoiled brat crying to get his way.)

They said 18 for a reason. They will no longer be legally responsible for your stupid decisions. That way if some old bat in a Buick does splash you all over the road, your mother will at least have some consolation about not being able to protect her baby forever. It won't be much consolation. She'll be heart broken forever, and she'll cry herself to sleep for the rest of her miserable life, but at least there won't be any lawyers beating on her door making it worse.

If you are as mature as you claim, then you'll know that you have to move out from under their roof, stop accepting their money (that means ALL support including college, and apartments.), and make all decisions without a safety net before you can make a decision about buying a motorcycle.

When you can do that, you can buy one with your head held high.
They still won't like it, but they won't say a word about it. Because they will know that their little boy is a mature adult.

P.S. When you're in the woods on a dirtbike, you only have to worry about one idiot. When you're on the road, you have to worry about ALL of the idiots. Those blind old ladies scare the hell out of me everyday.
10,000 years ago we would have eaten you. Today, we drag you along and allow you to pollute the gene pool.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:15 pm

I still can't believe you get a new Envoy! Want to trade for my Scottsdale?
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A

Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:01 am

Heres a lesson on the safety of motorcycles.

A 20 year old SMU student was killed less than a block from my parents house in Dallas on Friday. Apparently, he was hit by a mini-van going approximately 25 mph, and if he was obeying the speed limit he shouldve been going 25, as well. He was wearing a helmet, as well. My father told me that his family was at the accident site (this is in a residential part of town), and that it was an awful scene.

Motorcycles are fucking deathtraps...
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:17 am

Also...kids with nice cars arent that uncommon...i see a bunch of rich kids driving around Phoenix in new Beamers and Lexii.


Correction: You see alot of kids whose parents are rich. There's a major difference between the two. I myself have a hard time respecting anyone with the "daddy pays" attitude. It isn't worth much if you haven't worked up the money yourself.


BTW, are you allowed to ride 750cc bikes at the age of 17 in the US? That's absolute madness in my eyes!  Wow! You have to be 20 to ride heavy bikes (250cc+ i believe) here in sweden.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:48 am

Mika, there's a saying that goes along with your post, "Having money doesn't make one great, how you earned it determines your greatness"
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:34 pm

Yeah just don't ride your motorcycle at 1:00 AM off into 8-10 feet of water in Eckie's Pond. Of course first you had to practically throw your friend off the back and then grab the very last tree you could before you went into the pond. Then of course you have to get the guys to go dive in a pull it out for you, since it's sitting on the bottom with the headlight shining up at you. Sell it the next day, of course.

Then 30 years later go out with your nephew and inspect the pond and walk out to the exact spot where your bike went in and even look at the tree trunk (well it used to be a tree) you grabbed onto before the bike went in.

Later Aunt Vicki would go on to live on Bourbon Street, travel the world as a travel agent (I mean, quite literally, the WORLD), work on Semester at Sea, run 20 Mile Farm now, keep 15-20 abandoned/stray/neglected dogs at any one time, drive a Mercedes SL that you bought when it was 10 years old, etc.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:48 pm

You might as well wait till your 18 to get your bike. In any case, the Envoy is pretty nice car so why not stick with it.
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:40 pm

Guys,

I'm looking at the Aprilia RS50 as well. I've ridden a 750cc so I can handle it...(meaning it's not a question of "if" I can ride it). It's going to be used as transportation for myself around town. I think that the Aprilia RS50 is a much better choice as it's 50cc's and I'm not going to be making long trips; although the Shadow is a fun bike.

Also I'm sick of hearing these horror stories about people going down on bikes. Yes, It's happened to me too. I got major road rash just using a street legal dirt bike. There was loose gravel and I took a turn. I know it's going to happen again. I know I might get hit by a car. I've seen people who were decapitated by motorcycles. (As I do ride the ambulance for the fire department as a certified first responder). I've seen sick shit...Believe me.

RS50

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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:56 pm

You might find this sicker than a decapitation:

 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:00 pm

I can handle it

Famous last words. Sorry, you're only 17. You DON'T know what you can handle and what you can't (especially if you don't know how to buy your own ride). We've all been there, done that. You'll learn in a few years, the easy way or the hard way.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:29 pm

I have to second Hartsfieldboy's comment.

Even though I'm only two years older than you, I'm worlds more mature than I was 2 years ago (I know I've still got a long way to go...don't worry) and I know enough to tell you that you'd be making a big mistake. You have just enough knowledge to be dangerous, sort of like a new private pilot with 100 hours under his belt. I know you've got the "it won't/can't happen to me" attitude; it's obvious with every posting you make.

For Christ's sake, stick with your big car that won't hurt you terribly when you go wrap it around your first tree (it WILL happen).

Furthermore, regarding the hogwash about owning a new Envoy and your parents wanting to buy you something "nice" for graduation...That would never happen for me. I know people much better off than me who would never have that happen. What could possibly be nicer? a Lamborghini? Good god, kid, you're begging for an early grave. I can see it now...you're probably one of those asshole kids that goes rip-and-roar down the freeway at 110 miles an hour in their car just because they have no respect for it.

Seems to me like you just said that to make your self look hoody-toody. You could have spared us these details, but you chose not to. Sounds fishy to me  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 2:14 am

I used to think like you Max Powers, I am only 19, and I don't think like that anymore. If you look on it from the outside, I think your opinion will change. I have seen a few motocycle accidents. It is something you don't forget.
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:50 am

Well 20 years ago I was in that position myself. When I moved out of home, I never felt the need to get one after all. Having seen what happens to Bike riders, I now wonder why I wanted to in the first place.

Guess it was Teenager rebellion.

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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:42 am

AA61hvy....did you read anything I've posted at all?


Yes, I drive down the highway in my Envoy at 110 miles per hour. I hit the speed limiter and I always get out of tickets because of how rich I am...I also cause people to drive off the road because I don't care about others, especially those who are female and over 35 with two kids in the backseat...

Also I have no regard for what others think, and I think getting a motorcycle is the most important thing in my life right now, over school too, just so I can impress people!....

I hate my life and I do not think I'm lucky at all. I hate my parents for caring about me and I wish they would stop and leave me alone....

I'm right because at age 17 I'm totally invincible to all damages that might occur to me regardless of being in a car or a motorcycle. I will never die on a motorcycle....

Moreso I will drive drunk every chance I get and get into accidents because after five beers I'm fine and I can drive (because I do it all the time because I'm a teenager, right?). When I drink I also go drive wreckless into crowded areas such as mall parking lots for shits and kicks just to see if I can hit moving targets and peal out at every street corner and do tray slideing in my truck too!....

Give me a break!

Thanks for all the amazing advise even though I asked for a way to TALK WITH MY PARENTS SO THEY COULD BE MORE OPEN TO THE IDEA, NOT HOW I AM GOING BEHIND THEIR BACK!!!! Also I never said anything about my parents buying me a motorcycle! How much do you guys want to extrapolate my two paragraph post? And this thread goes into how I will die and how I will act when I have beers... Thanks for making such stupid statements when you don't know me. I really enjoy getting advise from this forum!

Furthermore, You can't bring Christopher Reeve into this conversation because he was hurt from Horseback riding.... Where, I too know people who have fallen off a horse and got seriously messed up..... I known kids who have been hit by cars riding a bicycle/walking/skateboarding, break their back snowboarding, who have died when terrorists crash their airplanes into buildings, who have died serving this country, friends die fighting fires to protect a complete strangers personal items and their two year old son, two friends who have just died at ages 14, and 11 because their heart just stopped for no reason... etc etc etc. There are plenty of ways to die ladies and gentlemen. I for one don't want to die on my knees.... Oh yea, did I mention that while rock climbing in Arizona with my uncle, he died right infront of my eyes because his carabiner broke and he fell over 55 feet into a rock face? So I guess there's another fun activity nobody should ever do because tis dangerous.

Maxwell Powers.





[Edited 2003-04-29 02:42:54]
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:02 am

I alluded to this, and finally everybody got their answer. Max in fact wants to purchase the bike with his OWN money, but wants to get his parent's consent. If he really were an immature a-hole of a kid, he'd just buy it anyways and not care what his parents thought. I'm sure many if not all of the above who have decided to give him a hard time are the ones who would set their minds on purchasing something like a bike against their parent's wishes and do it regardless of how they felt. Maybe he's not as bad as you all think.

I too feel that he should think seriously about this, and the risks are high, but they're not as high as everybody here would make it out to be! We have to have some fun in life, and motorbiking is one of life's fun activities.

I personally have thought about purchasing a motorcycle, but like many people above, decided the risks were too high for me to accept. I'd rather save my money and buy a nice sports car one day.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:52 am

Max,

Seems to me like writing sarcastic, inflammatory responses like that underscores your immaturity.
I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:04 pm

JBird,

Maturity? Nice to know your innocent..."You're probably one of those asshole kids that goes rip-and-roar down the freeway at 110 miles an hour in their car just because they have no respect for it." You made this comment in post number thirty-five (35), did you not?

Thanks,
Maxwell

 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:04 pm

That I did.

Did I write anything sarcastically? Negative. Did I write something inflammatory? Maybe that's up for discussion, but you've brought it on yourself.

By the way, when you write long-winded responses like post number thirty-eight (38, yes I can read numbers too!), you might want to use spell check. Also, grammar check comes in handy for those grammar mistakes that spell check can't correct (using the wrong word). It makes you sound more intelligent  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Lest i digress here...you never responded to my allegation of trying to sound "hoody toody" now, did you? Ah, well, point for me!
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:30 pm

Christopher Reeve was brought into it because you are thinking that you might die or break a leg. Simply pointing out that even an "experienced" person can suffer an accident that leaves them worse off than dead. Ask yourself if sitting in a wheelchair, unable to move, with a breathing tube stuck in your throat is worth a few moments of the wind in your hair.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:42 pm

Goboeing...
I don't know how to respond to that just because Reeve was riding a horse when when he got hurt. Getting hurt can happen a lot of ways, riding a bike or mountain climbing, or horseback riding.


JBirdAV8r,
Do you want to be more fastidious? This is a thead about talking openly to my parents about buying a motorcycle....not about my spelling.

Maxwell Powers
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:58 pm

I would venture to guess that there are far more paralyuzing injuries suffered by motorcycle riders than horse riders. Just remember - if you're "lucky" enough to live thru a nasty bike wreck, many times your facial muscles still work...don't forget to smile. With the average lifespan of 75 years and you're only 17, you'd only have about 60 years to enjoy your predicament.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:29 pm

I'm amazed by the negativity in this thread. This is an aviation website, not an Amish website where we shun down on some of the more adventurous aspects of life. I'd like to know what each and every one of you people do who have responded so strongly and negatively to Max's question, as I'm sure you all take some risks in life too. Maybe you ski, or you go flying in a small aircraft often (I once read that the death rate for private pilots in small aircraft is equal to motorbiking, how's that for some perspective?)

The question of risk is well established, and Max understands that. He is 17, and that means he has a lot of growing up to do, but he is also old enough to understand risks. It also depends on the person, as I've met some 17 year olds who were absolutely worthless human-beings, and I've met some 15 year olds who could teach most 25 year olds a thing or two about life, responsibility, etc.

Life would be boring without risks. Everybody would stay at home, keep to themselves, we wouldn't have close to the number of inventions we have today, and generally our standard of living would be greatly diminished. So next time somebody asks a question dealing with something risky, put the risk into perspective, rather than completely shunning it.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:44 pm

Use a bicycle!
How about a pink one with a nice little bow, a basket and a bell.
 
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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:38 pm

I use my bike to go mtn. biking.
Plus I got hit by a car (very minor accident) and I need to buy a new rim...had a few gashes across my thigh and leg too!

Max Powers

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RE: I'm 17 And My Parents Don't Want Me To Have A Bike

Thu May 01, 2003 12:30 pm

Heh heh...

Well, i rode my bike down hill, and of all the times that the brakes could fail, it HAD to fail at this very moment and bam! I rode straight into a lamp post.

Sigh. Murphy's law.

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