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Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:18 pm

Love him or hate him Karl Rove is one of the best political advisors ever.

I have worked on Democratic Campaigns before in CLE, and you have to admit this a huge wall in front of the Democrats.



Even though Mr. Bush will not begin his formal campaign until after the convention, his political team is preparing to begin broadcasting television advertisements as early as next spring. By that point, the White House expects the Democratic candidate to be settled, but battered and sapped of money from the primaries, and thus unable to counter a Republican advertising assault.
- New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/22/politics/22BUSH.html?ex=1051588800&en=bf22a50f14a07b86&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:23 pm

But remember, most Democrats are willing to put up just about any amount to beat Bush. After 2000, it became personal for a lot of people. Expect this election to drain both parties.
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cfalk
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:45 pm

Why do Americans get heavy with campaingning and advertising over a year before the election? Why can't they limit the debates and the advertising to the last few weeks before the elections, like most other countries? You might find that it will free up a lot of time for other, more important activities.

Charles
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:51 pm

200 million bucks .... Well it looks like big biz likes what they put in the white house .....
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:18 pm

I'm willing to bet the $200 million is gonna be paid in Iraqi oil Big grin
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:21 pm

9V-SVE,

Such statements are uninformed, unproductive, and simply idiotic.

Charles
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:26 pm

He's right, 9V-SVE, we all know the money is going to be paid in blood.  Laugh out loud

By the way, Charles, you forgot "unpatriotic" and "anti-American".

[Edited 2003-04-22 08:28:01]
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:36 pm

Nuts,

I did not say those things because I don't believe them.

But there is no question that people who a) use patently false statements such as 9V-SVE's above, or b) try to wedge people apart using accusations and counter-accusations of "unpatriotic" and "anti-American", such as you, Nuts, contribute absolutely ZERO to the material debate, and in fact work actively to make matters worse.

Charles
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:17 pm

Conservatives also say...Can't you take a joke?
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:53 pm

Bush lost 1 election, now make him lose the next one so clearly that even and his and his Daddy's "friends" in Florida and the supreme court can't help him.
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:04 pm

Nutsy,
the Anti-American thing won't work since -SVE is from Singapore. Of course, it hasn't stopped people from using it before  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:15 pm

Well, Bush raised some unGodly amount of money in 2000, and it won him the election only on the electoral side-he won enough of the big states to take the election.

Read an "unscientific" poll on AOL yesterday-but about 100,000 people had responded, and it asked what was Bush's #1 priority now that the war is all but over. The three choices were 1. Fighting Terrorism; 2. Fixing the economy, and 3. Rebuilding Iraq. Fixing the economy was, by far, #1 on the list.

I'm still convinced Bush will suffer his dad's fate if this economy is still a mess a year from now.
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:18 pm

All Bush had to do was win the electoral college. Popular vote does not count no matter how much the lefties might want it to.

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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:22 pm

Popular vote does count not matter how much the lefties might want it to.

No, what the majority of people think doesn't matter at all does it B757300?

Land of the free eh?
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:28 pm

Its amazing how the way a president is elected, that has gone on for over 200 years...based on electoral votes, and people are STILL crying about the 2000 election. People, get over it. What is done is done, AND Bush was elected fairly according to the constitution. I you do not like that, start pressing your Senators for change. Oh, and those outside the U.S. who like to chime in on this topic, like it matters what you will say....you won't be able to participate in the last part. Sorry about that.
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:36 pm

B757300, you really don't have an original thought, do you? Everything, in your whole existence is "left vs. right", and nothing more. This isn't about that, it is just a comment that the man DID NOT win the popular vote, but still won the election. That's a hard concept for many to understand, so don't vilify everyone who thinks it unfair.

I'm no fan of Bush, but under our system, Bush DID win the election fairly and sqarely. Every recount of Florida confirms that. But a president that did not win the popular vote does have something to prove in the next election. And, like I said, if the economy is still in the shitter a year from now, he very well could suffer his father's fate.
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:08 am

Hey Cfalk, it's called a sense of humor, see if you can't find one.
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:18 am

I agree with KROC's statement.

BTW, how on earth is a joker like Howard Dean going to raise $20m, let alone anything near $200m? Maybe he should call up Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins ("Don't think meat, just throw!").
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:23 am

KROC:

You have to understand that the Electoral College is NOT the real issue. The real issue is that Bush won and they lost. Period. Not the least of it was the tantalizingly narrow margin by which they lost. When asked about why, if they didn't agree with the system and the rules, didn't they change them BEFORE the election (which were agreed to by both sides), you will fall on deaf ears. They will say "But Gore got more votes". You know and I know that had the exact same circumstances led to a Gore victory, they'd be saying "But it's the Electoral College that decides the winner, not how many votes were cast".

So you see, it's all about winning and losing. Not the rules of play.

 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:27 am

The Dems have a lot of high-dollar backers, so I'm sure they'll get the cash they need to put up a fight for the White House. But like Alpha 1 said, the economy will pretty much determine what happens. As for the 2000 election, the irony is that all the pundits had predicted Bush would win the popular vote and Gore the electoral. They knew it was that close. Bottom line is our system is our system.

No, what the majority of people think doesn't matter at all does it B757300?

Land of the free eh?


777236ER, yes we are free, and we are a Republic. The majority popular vote by state matters, not collectively as a country. Do you understand now?
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:29 am

Like the saying goes: it's not important what you say/do but how you say/do it.

Let the TV propaganda war start. Sigh

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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:34 am

Such statements are uninformed, unproductive, and simply idiotic.

Why, Charles? Because they're an angry, oversimplified manifestation of some smidgeon of truth?

You're a smart enough man to know how much money Bechtel has supplied the Republican party in the past 5 years. You're a smart enough man to know the ties Halliburton has not just to this Administration, but directly into the most pro-Iraq War heart of this Administration. You're a smart enough man to know the single biggest cash cow of the President's home state, and how much those closest to him and his family stand to profit off our strategic rearraingement in the Mideast.

You're smart enough to know why Saddam got bounced by 3rd Armor, and Kim Jong Il gets a hearty "hopeful signs" from this President.

You are, I'm quite sure, smart enough to know that the river is in Egypt, not Iraq. What you don't seem to grasp is how deeply you're sitting in it.

As to the post, hell, keep the bombs comin, 9V.....if that what it takes to crack through all that pre-stressed mental concrete, then target away.
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:01 am

I think it's funny how a lot of people on this forum try to compare the United States to Europe. I think one of the many advantages this country has is that it's NOT Europe.

We do things differently over here, for better or worse. Americans revolted against British rule because they had grievances. We were isolationist, politically, for so long because we didn't want to become embroiled in European problems (i.e. World War I.) I should come as no surprise that the American political system is different from the Europeans', or even the Australians'.

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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:20 am

Heavy, you're a pretty bright dude and I enjoy reading your posts even though I may disagree with them at times, but I can't believe how much blab time you're STILL giving this oil angle. As far as importance in the whole equation, I'd give it a 2 at best on the crux-factor scale, but you are one of the few holdouts who continually put it in the 8-10 range. You don't miss much, brother, but in this case, I'm afraid you're chasing your tail.
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:26 am

The plurality have the right to their opinion all they want but when it comes to how the President is elected it does not matter. What matters is who wins the most electoral votes not who wins the popular vote.
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:37 am

I 'preciate the props, Jet, but I think my argument will only become stronger with time.

It got some unlikely support from Senator Richard Lugar, the staunch conservative from Hoosier country, over the weekend, when he stated very plainly that the former Soviet republics constitute a far higher threat source of WMDs (or, in the hands of Karl Rove, Weapons of Mass Distraction)than Iraq ever did.

So let's check off what so far has come to pass:

___ --- Found a thriving bioweapons/chemical weapons/nuclear program

___ --- Brought Saddam to Justice

_X_ --- 'Liberated' a bunch of people who really didn't like us to begin with

_X_ --- Got Iraqi oil flowing again, making gas stations safe again for grateful US voters.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/14/markets/oil.reut/index.htm

From that article:

"(Signifigant oil price drop is) a definite possibility that could be just a few weeks away," said Tom Logsdon, a senior member of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers charged with repairing Iraq's oilfields.

So there's a senior member of the Army Corp. charged with repairing Iraqi oilfields? Where's the "senior member" charged with repairing Iraqi hospitals, schools, police stations, supermarkets...with directing traffic in the cities, restoring power, answering medical emergencies?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7115-2003Apr21.html

From that article:

When Marines helped pull down a bronze statue of Saddam Hussein in downtown Baghdad 12 days ago, Rafeh Mohammed took to the street and cheered the legions of American troops pouring into the city to end Hussein's three-decade rule.

"We were so happy," he said. "We were being liberated from a dictator. We thought life was surely going to get better."

Today, Mohammed is a bitter man. "The Americans," sniffed the 32-year-old trader, "have failed us."

Mohammed is incensed that U.S. troops, during their first few days in Baghdad, did little to stop the wave of looting that eviscerated nearly every government building in the city, including the national library and a museum housing 5,000-year-old antiquities. He also is livid that the U.S. military has not yet restarted power, water and trash-collection service across the city.


Granted, this young man might be asking for too much too soon....but perhaps if we had thought through these things as intensely as how quickly we could get the oil industry to the first stages of rebuilding, we might not have left a sour taste in this guy's mouth(and I don't doubt many like him)so soon. One that could make our time in Iraq far longer than it should be.

Look, I understand, Jet. The American sense of right and decency can only take so much before it starts tuning out the uglier truths.....before the everyday mental laziness of our culture is far preferable a refuge than actually thinking through the unpleasant things being done in our name. About my opinion, I'm told time and time again on here "Give it up". I won't, and you know that.

Our numbed dependency on that sticky crap under the sands of a very bassackwards part of the world brought us Gulf War I, 9/11, Gulf War II and God knows what else to come. If my bitching breaks even a tiny shred through that battleship armor of denial in you or anyone else, then more's the reason to bitch and bitch again. Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:52 am

Heavymetal '04?
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 9:24 am

Howard Dean had better be able to raise enough money to put on a good campaign. He's free America's only hope.
 
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 9:27 am

I have a feeling B757300 wouldn't have soo much trust and faith in the system if Gore had won the electoral vote, not the popular vote.
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RE: Oh My God $200 Million For Bush In 04

Wed Apr 23, 2003 10:42 am

A: $200 million

Q: How much money does it take to fool the American people that Dubya is a good President?

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