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Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Thu May 01, 2003 11:58 pm


They've levied their biggest fine onto the FA for the "fans" who performed racist chanting during the recent England-Turkey game at Sunderland. The fine is around £70,000; there was a possibility that England's next game could have been played behind closed doors.


Other UEFA disciplinary news: Sir Alex Ferguson was fined around £4,600 for suggesting that the Champions League draw was fixed.


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RE: Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Fri May 02, 2003 12:03 am

That's about right. The whole "closed doors" scenario was enforced where countries had had previous warnings. Bizarrely enough, considering English fans behaviour overseas, this was actually quite unusual at home.

Having said that, it's about time the various laws in place to deal with these people were enforced rather more strictly. Then we might not have to go through a four page document to become a member of the England Supporters club and actually get to see them.
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RE: Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Fri May 02, 2003 2:15 am

What did they sing? The UEFA should've a closer look at Eastern europe, I've heard plenty of racist chants and "monkey-sounds" during the first rounds of the UEFA Cup in Eastern european stadiums.
 
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RE: Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Fri May 02, 2003 3:09 am

For example, one of the chants was "I'd rather be a Paki than a Turk".

Not very pleasant - whilst it may seem relatively harmless to some, the negative connotations of the term "Paki" within Britain should be taken into account - it is not just an abbreviation of "Pakistani".

The thing about this is that English football has actually led the way in reducing racism on the stands. The "Kick Racism out of Football" campaign has been highly successful, monkey noises at games are now extremely rare, and most fans regard it as utterly unacceptable, which is why the reaction (from the FA I mean, not the fans - no excuse for them) to the abuse Emile Heskey got in Slovakia was so strong. Racism exists in all societies, but this has actually been a success story, doubtless added to by so many black players appearing for England or Britain in so many sports. British society has come an awful long way in the last 40 years, but unfortunately we cannot seem to get rid of those ignorant types who continue to plague the game, particularly when England play abroad.

The lightness of the sentence will doubtless be reflective of the "first offence" nature of the problem, but UEFA hardly help the matter by appearing to place more emphasis on the pitch invasion (by about 80 fans - hardly a mass incursion) than on the racial element.

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm absolutely sick of this. The country's name gets dragged through the mud yet again, by those same cretins that always do it. I don't know, maybe more extreme measures have to be taken. One newspaper columnist made the point that it won't be until David Beckham leads the whole team off the field until opposing national anthems are heard in respectful silence, or if there is any obscene chanting, will the message get through. Maybe a message that England will automatically forfeit every match where there is trouble will do the trick - although that of course would just incite opposing fans to start it. Either way, and though it pains me to say it, something like this needs to be considered, or it is just going to go on and on.

Idealistic? Probably, but it has gone way past the point where it can just be explained away.
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RE: Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Fri May 02, 2003 3:51 am

If i was a black english footballer, i would seriously question moving to a club on the European continent. Racist chants monkey noises are extremely rare in football grounds across the UK. I can't say that for the Spanish, Italian or Greek leagues, not to mention the Eastern Europeans, an area which i believe is still a hotbed for racism. In general, British society is very tolerant, much more than the Eastern European countries or even Italy or Spain. The racist abuse Patrick Vieira received from the stands when Arsenal played Lazio in Rome 2 years ago was sickening. Same with the likes of Heskey, Cole Campbell etc.
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RE: Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Fri May 02, 2003 3:55 am

After all it's only football. It is 22 people who voluntarily chose too earn a hell of a lot of money by being spit on by 50,000 monkies.

It doesn't matter. Just ignore it.

And be sure never ever to confuse it with a sport.
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RE: Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Fri May 02, 2003 3:58 am

It doesn't matter. Just ignore it.

The first part of your post is correct, the second bit is simply outrageous. Since when did "ignoring" racism become a optional choice?

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RE: Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Fri May 02, 2003 4:08 am

Dear Arsenal, you can fight against racism expessed by drunken monkies, but you can't win.
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RE: Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Fri May 02, 2003 5:17 am

70 grand may appear to be a big fine but it only hurts the FA (which is probably why the FA Cup final tickets are so expensive). It doesn't hurt the people causing the trouble and banning them is only a token gesture because they can still get tickets from the touts (who never seem to have problems getting them). The only thing that may stop them is the Government helping by introducing new laws that can take away their passports. Without them the morons can't travel and as has already been mentioned its not really a problem at home. Additional punishment would be included because they would also not be able to go on holiday as well.

Whilst the English fans are the biggest offenders they are not alone and I hope that UEFA also crack down on other countries where their fans cause trouble. If, for example, people believe that there will be no abuse, racial or otherwise, when England play in Turkey they must be pretty naive. UEFA must be strong and seen to be strong. Playing games behind closed doors may even be the answer. Maybe they should have started with England.
 
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RE: Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Fri May 02, 2003 8:32 pm

Apparently, UEFA have warned the FA that they will be held responsible for any trouble in Turkey during the return match against England. Since the FA have already decided against taking up any ticket allocation for the match, this is ridiculous. Not only does it mean that the FA will be held responsible for something completely outside their power (the FA are not the government after all, and can't prevent people travelling) but it also gives any Turkish hooligans a green light to cause as much trouble with those misguided fools who do decide to travel, since they won't be held responsible for it.

That's just daft.
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RE: Uefa Fine English FA For Racist Chants

Fri May 02, 2003 10:24 pm

And what did UEFA do when Heskey got racist chants thrown at him in Slovakia?

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