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The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Sun May 04, 2003 11:20 am

I remember hearing about this a few years ago, and I was just wondering if there is still any discussion about it in Spain or Morocco. It sounds like a great idea, and we absolutely be great to see built. So is the ball still rolling?
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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Sun May 04, 2003 12:04 pm

The best I could find on Skyscrapers.com is an expected completion date of 2020. Here are some websites:

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/eti/projects/bridgemain.html
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=5478

By the way, it's Strait, not Straight.



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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Sun May 04, 2003 1:03 pm

hmm...well politically Spain and Morocco arent exactly best buddies so I dunno how feasible this is from that perspective...

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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Sun May 04, 2003 1:19 pm

Also I think the Spainish have taken note of the problems Britain is experiencing with illegal immigrants using the Chunnel to enter the Country from Continental Europe, Spain's not the most welcoming place for illegal African immgrants who swim a shore.
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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Sun May 04, 2003 1:40 pm

Spain's not the most welcoming place for illegal African immgrants who swim a shore.

Judging by the sheer volume of illegal Africans that keep arriving in Spain, it would seem that Spain is a damn sight more welcoming that what they're leaving behind.

Anyway, I also agree that Spain will not proceed with a bridge that will serve only to funnel more illegals into Spain. Spain really has no economic benefits to gain from a bridge to Morocco.

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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Mon May 05, 2003 3:42 am

There was a show on discovery channel about the bridge. Its just Studies and looking to the future this is not a definite project a bit like a or b doing a blended wing deigns etc.
 
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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Mon May 05, 2003 6:10 am

The "Extreme Engineering" shows on Discovery are pretty good. I've seen the show about the Gibraltar Strait bridge a few times, and I really think it is pie in the sky. I cannot imagine the enough commerce exists, or could potentially exist to make such a connection economically feasible. Plus the engineering challenges, which are easier to overcome than the economic challenges, of building a bridge over one of the busiest sea lanes are pretty big.

Even more pie in the sky, is the Bering Strait bridge. The cost of building the bridge, plus all the neccessary infrastructure leading up to the bridge, would cost hundreds of billions of dollars. Again, I generally believe that the engineers could do it, but it couldn't be justified to the accountants.

Plus anything that relies almost exclusively on automobile traffic is suspect. Such a project should include rail as well... which the Bering Strait proposal does, along with oil and natural gas pipelines.
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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Mon May 05, 2003 9:48 am

Desertjets....I share your sentiments about the economics of this project.

This reminds me, when I was in Prince Edward Island in 1967 (Canada's smallest province, with only 100,000 people) they were talking about a 10 mile causeway to the mainland. The conventional wisdom at the time was that it would be more economical just to tow the island to shore!

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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Mon May 05, 2003 10:00 am

There are some people who want to built a bridge over -- or a tunnel under -- the Bering Strait to connect the US and Russia:

Here's an article: http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/082602/foc_bering_dream.shtml


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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Mon May 05, 2003 10:52 am

This reminds me, when I was in Prince Edward Island in 1967 (Canada's smallest province, with only 100,000 people) they were talking about a 10 mile causeway to the mainland.

And yet.....the bridge was built! It has apparently been a boon to the PEI economy.

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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Mon May 05, 2003 11:15 am

People may be interested to know that funding for a bridge between Honshu (Ooma town) and Hokkaido (Toi town) in Japan has been approved. This would be the longest bridge in the world requiring two artificial islands to finish it.

The money is really a bribe by the national government to Aomori state on Honshu so Aomori will continue to take nuclear waste at a facility in Rokkasho village in Aomori. Such are politics in Japan !
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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Mon May 05, 2003 1:18 pm



Some of those projects are beyond sanity. For the money involved in building a Spain-Morocco bridge, you could probably operate a free high speed on-demand ferry service FOREVER if you set up an interest-earning trust fund.
 
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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Mon May 05, 2003 1:45 pm

The PEI bridge was featured in the episode with the Bering Strait Bridge. The PEI bridge does make sense seeing as there is a reasonably strong connection and need for a connection to the mainland... seeing as the strait ices up in the winter making travel by boat impossible, and air travel isn't always the best choice.

But the Bering Strait bridge is something else. One of the people on the show mentioned that the cost of the connecting infrastructure would be most of the cost of the project. On either side of the strait there is nothing for literally hundreds if not thousands of miles. In support of that project they tried to compare it to the effort that was required to build the Alaska pipeline... but they aren't pumping millions of barrels of oil through it.

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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Tue May 06, 2003 2:57 am

I wish the title of this thread could be changed. Every time I see it I want to type "The Gibraltar Gay Bridge"
 
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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Tue May 06, 2003 3:46 am

Where would a Bering Bridge go to?

It's about 2000-3000km to the nearest point of the Baikal - Amur railway? There might be a railhead slightly closer on some little branch line to a mining town or whatever, but it's still a very long distance, over some of the world's most unforgiving terrain.

Even the BAM works at a tiny fraction of capacity on most of its route. Many of the towns that it serves were built to house people who worked on building the railway... I don't doubt it was an awesome feat of engineering, but what were they supposed to do after the railway was finished?
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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Tue May 06, 2003 5:09 am

Ya that Bering straight show reminded me of the bridge over the Strait of Gibraltar. Man, but talk about something that could never happen that Bering straight thing takes the cake. How long is the ferry ride between Morrocco and Spain anyway, like 15 mins ?
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RE: The Gibraltar Straight Bridge

Wed May 07, 2003 5:26 am

Well, the Gibraltar bridge is definitely in the realm of contemporary engineering, considering the bridge that Japan built over the inland sea. Right now I can't remember the name or exact location of it, but it is a three or four mile suspension bridge built with composite metals.


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