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Saddam And Osama Convicted!

Thu May 08, 2003 6:37 pm

Osama and Saddam have been convicted by a NYC court in their abscense for links to september 11th attacks. It's the families of two victims who are going to recieve 104 million dollars from the two convicted for the losses they suffered in the terrorist attack.

Do you think they will get their money?

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RE: Saddam And Osama Convicted!

Thu May 08, 2003 6:44 pm

I think I'll go to my local court and claim that Dubya's war have affected my emotionally, and that I'll need a 20 million dollar compensation. And given that neither Dubya or any of his Chickenhawks will have time to appear, I'm sure I'll be getting a good load of money.

What a bunch of c***
 
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RE: Saddam And Osama Convicted!

Thu May 08, 2003 6:54 pm

Saddam??? How the hell did a court tie Saddam to 9/11?

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RE: Saddam And Osama Convicted!

Thu May 08, 2003 7:09 pm

Well, since he didn't show up and presented evidence that he wasn't involved, go figure.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Saddam And Osama Convicted!

Thu May 08, 2003 8:54 pm

Charles,

Three "major" things point towards Saddam:

* One of the sept 11th hijackers had met the Iraqi consul in Prague.
* Colin Powell has said that there is connections between Iraq and terrorism.
* One political refugee has claimed that Bin Laden's terrorists trained in a training camp in Iraq.

The colin Powell one made me laugh! Wait, all three make me laugh! Wait, this whole thing makes me laugh!

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RE: Saddam And Osama Convicted!

Thu May 08, 2003 9:03 pm

Read for yourselves:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3009251.stm

or right here...No comment!!:

A New York judge has awarded nearly $104m in damages to the families of two victims of the 11 September terror attacks.

Judge Harold Baer ruled on the basis that the families had been able to show a tenuous link between Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network and Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq.

The compensation awarded to the families of businessmen George Smith and Timothy Soulas may be taken from Iraqi assets frozen in the US.

Although the US Government suspects Iraq supported the attacks, it has not been able to prove a connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda.

Judge Baer said in his ruling: "I conclude that plaintiffs have shown, albeit barely, by evidence satisfactory to the court, that Iraq provided material support to bin Laden and al-Qaeda."

The evidence was based on a statement by Secretary of State Colin Powell to the UN Security Council on 5 February.

'Few actual facts'

The judge also cited claims by former CIA director James Woolsey that the apparent leader of the 11 September hijackers, Mohamed Atta, met an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague in April 2001.

There was also evidence from Laurie Mylorie, an expert on Iraq and terrorism.

"Although these experts provided few actual facts of any material support that Iraq actually provided, their opinions... provide a sufficient basis for a reasonable jury to draw inferences which could lead to the conclusion that Iraq provided material support to al-Qaeda," the judge said.

The families had named the former Taleban regime in Afghanistan, the al-Qaeda network, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and the Republic of Iraq as responsible for the attacks.

The case is significant because it is thought to be the first such action against Iraq and al-Qaeda that has reached the damages phase.
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RE: Saddam And Osama Convicted!

Thu May 08, 2003 9:44 pm

* One of the sept 11th hijackers had met the Iraqi consul in Prague.

Actually, that link was never established.

* Colin Powell has said that there is connections between Iraq and terrorism.

I admire Powell, but his saying so does not make it fact, does it?

* One political refugee has claimed that Bin Laden's terrorists trained in a training camp in Iraq.

One refugee? One fucking person? Give me a break. Most courts of law need a little more substantiative information that that.

FACT: Iraq was not tied in any way that anyone has shown with the attacks on 9/11. There's more culpability towards Saudi Arabia than Iraq.

The Bush Administration has done a masterful job in convincing many Americans of something that isn't true. But that seems to be their M/O lately, doesn't it.

I was watching the first attacks on Iraq from work, and one of the girls at work said "they deserve it, after what they did on 9/11." I told her to go checks some facts to verify that, since Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. She said "well, that's what Bush said", and I told her again go find out for herself. She came back to work the next day and said, "you know, there's nothing that links Iraq to 9/11." She didn't seem to happy with the revelation that the Bush Administration had lied to her in such a fashion.

Read this shit again, folks: "Although these experts provided few actual facts of any material support that Iraq actually provided, their opinions... provide a sufficient basis for a reasonable jury to draw inferences which could lead to the conclusion that Iraq provided material support to al-Qaeda,"

All this, on inferences and a "could". Joe McCarthy would be most proud. What a joke. Take every penny from Osama, I have no problem with that, but when the truth is twisted in such a way to fit the wishes of an Administration, it's pretty sad.
 
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RE: Saddam And Osama Convicted!

Thu May 08, 2003 11:45 pm

I don't really doubt that there was a link between Al-Qaeda and Saddam. There was in fact an Al-Qaeda training camp in the northern part of Iraq that was blown up early in the war, and it and the people who passed through there were fairly well known to the locals, who were interviewed on Swiss TV, in any case.

But that does not mean that a court should award damages from Saddam. That's like saying that the construction company that built Philip Morris' headquarters building must pay part of that $200+ billion tobacco settlement. If the court wants to find Saddam responsible for 9/11, you would have to show that 1) he knew about it, and 2) he somehow participated in the planning and/or execution. I have not heard about the 9/11 hijackers being some of those that passed through the Iraqi training camp.

Saddam's portion of the conviction will probably be overturned on appeal (if anyone bothers to appeal it).

I'm no friend of Saddam, but this judgement was silly.

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RE: Saddam And Osama Convicted!

Fri May 09, 2003 12:12 am

The compensation awarded to the families of businessmen George Smith and Timothy Soulas may be taken from Iraqi assets frozen in the US. .

Rather than punishing those actually responsible for 9/11, it looks like these families think they are entitled to their part of the Iraq booty...
As I see it, these frozen Iraqi assets belong to the Iraqi people and should be used to rebuild their destroyed country, not to (probably well-off) families of terrorist attack victims and smart lawyers, especially when no link has been established between 9/11 and Iraq.
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