heavymetal
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Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 3:43 am

All day we've been treated to pictures of exhausted Cubans treading water next to US Coast Guard boats in futile attempts to summon enough energy to swim to the beaches in the Florida Keys. Why?

Well a year ago, the Coasties would have dragged these people safely out of the water no questions asked. You aren't gonna make it. You're too tired. You're too weak. And yes, there's big sharks around here.

But then the hardcore Cuban exile community in Miami (those loons who brought you Elian') saw some video and decided the Coast Guard was "being too aggressive" with enforcing US immigration policy. So, they rang their Republican friends in Washington.

Now, GOP policy is the Coast Guard has to toss these people life preservers and actually wait until they willingly want to come aboard a boat. See, if a refugee makes dry land, US policy...written by the exiles....is he can stay, no questions asked. If they are picked up at sea, they are shipped back to Cuba, usually through Gitmo.

So....here we are. Your tax money & mine paying Coast Guardsmen to float around waiting on illegal aliens. Meanwhile, I'm sure there's no kind of distress or emergency happening anywhere else in the area, as every CG boat available waits out these poor souls.

Now, before we get into the Saddam-loving liberal accusations, let me be clear.....Castro is a pig and a thug. His regime is repressive and he is a dictator. Things in Cuba are very very bad right now. I feel for these people who are desperate enough to risk their lives for "a better life".

But the only reason they're doing it is they know they have a slim chance at making it. And one of the chief reasons they have to leave Cuba is because of the US embargo on Cuba.

Summary: The embargo is not working in weakening Castro.....only peasants. The immigration policy is not saving people from the oppression of dictatorship, only killing them in scores as they try to take advantage of it.

Drop the embargo. Change the policy.

Of course it will never happen, because the exile community only thinks first of its' hatred for Castro. And they have this mindless devotion to the Republican Party, who "we hate communism"'d them for forty years to get their votes. Meanwhile, the Beard is still there, life in Cuba still sucks......and Saddam Hussein is history.

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b757300
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 4:23 am

Sorry to burst your liberal bubble Heavy but the current Cuban refugee policy is a leftover from your hero Klintoon. In 1994 he changed it where only those Cubans who physically set foot on U.S. soil would be allowed to stay. Those who are picked up in the water are returned.

I really should be surprised that people here like and support Castro but then I remember that people here would rather support murderous dictators than the U.S.
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 4:26 am

And you know who caused world poverty? Clinton. HIV? Clinton invented it! Terrorists? Well, Clinton funded them all. He also made Columbia break up and made them cancel Futurama. Why isn't he in jail?
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captaingomes
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 4:29 am

B757300, Heavymetal raises good points, and he did say he does NOT support Castro. Supporting the Cuban people is not the same as supporting Castro. But I guess you are right, the U.S. embargo against Cuba is really working wonders.
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bobrayner
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 4:39 am

I really should be surprised that people here like and support Castro

Yes, you should. Trying to misrepresent people? Heavymetal said:
Castro is a pig and a thug. His regime is repressive and he is a dictator.

I'm also very tired of people trying to drag any kind of issue down into the bipolar political mire with things like "your hero Klintoon". There is actually more to global issues than two squabbling parties.

I recently stumbled across one online ranter who tried to pin the blame for all Saddam Hussein's misdeeds on the stinking liberal left because, err, Kennedy was in power when the CIA arranged for Abdel-Karim Qasim to be killed.

Now, where were we? Cuba?
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Marcus
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 4:52 am

I have allways wondered why Cubans and Haitians are treated so diferently since both societies are under totalitarian regimes.

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747-451
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 6:46 am

"Supporting the Cuban people is not the same as supporting Castro"

Is this a quote from the Dixie Chicks  Smile
 
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 7:00 am

"I really should be surprised that people here like and support Castro but then I remember that people here would rather support murderous dictators than the U.S."

Go figure, if you actually read the posts you reply to, you would often make much less of a "misunderstood person" out of yourself: "...let me be clear.....Castro is a pig and a thug." Does this read like "I support and cheer for Castro"?
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captaingomes
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 7:42 am

LOL, you know quite well what the Chicks said, 747-451! I'm sure they'd be embarassed if Castro was from Texas too.  Smile
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aloges
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 7:43 am

I bet even George Bush would be.
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sccutler
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 8:18 am

Glad to see a well-articulated piece of commentary (Heavymetal's thread-starter) devolve into name-calling and sniping in record time.

No rational review of the effects of US policy towards Cuba (that's "Cuber" for you Kennedys), whether conducted from a "liberal" or "conservative" viewpoint, can possibly conclude other than that the policy is an utter and complete failure. (Quick, diagram that sentence...)

The best way to bring Cuba out of its totalitarian regime would be to lift the embargo, allow free trade, and watch the almighty greenback liberate the Cuban people from their bondage.

If, on the other hand, we (meaning the US, or any other foreign government, including the UN) were to try to compel change, it would work masterfully well.

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Marcus
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Fri May 16, 2003 8:55 am

On of the best things Castro has working for him is the embargo, with that he can blame the US of everything wrong in the island.....he and his top officials do not suffer from it......but the average cuban does.

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WiLdmanVzla
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RE: Futile US Cuban Policy On Display Again

Sat May 17, 2003 8:21 am

The US embargo is the biggest favor americans can do for Fidel Castro... & also for the "gusanos" (the cuban comunity) in Miami... .

Marcus said it right... that embargo helps Castro to say that he´s not guilty for anything that happens in Cuba.

I think the best the US can do is to eliminate the embargo, it will be a good way to show cubans who is the real killer of their people (of course, the killer is Fidel Castro).

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