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Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 1:25 am

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030602/ts_afp/g8_summit_030602160206

Bush-Chirac meet as world leaders focus on economy, weapons
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EVIAN, France (AFP) - Presidents George W. Bush and Jacques Chirac took centre stage at the G8 summit with a cordial tete-a-tete seen as a test of US-French ties after the Iraq (news - web sites) feud, while world leaders turned their attention to the global weapons threat and economic woes.


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Bush, infuriated by Chirac's opposition to the war, told the French leader Monday in their first meeting in six months that the Iraq episode had been "difficult" but that they should now focus on the future.


"There is no question where Jacques Chirac stood and I made it clear where I stood. That's why I can say we've got good relations, because we are able to be very honest with each other," the US leader said.


The global fight against terror, arms proliferation and regional conflicts in Iraq, the Middle East and North Korea (news - web sites) also topped a full agenda for the second day of the Group of Eight summit in the French spa resort of Evian.


Bush, leaving the G8 summit early for his first foray into the troubled Israeli-Palestinian peace process, said he was confident of making "some progress" in the Middle East but acknowledged his mission would be difficult.


But during his tour that included Russia and Poland, Bush delivered a blunt message behind the smiles -- any rapprochement with Europe following the diplomatic meltdown over Iraq must be on his own terms.


While saying this weekend that he wanted Europe and the United States to bury the hatchet over Iraq, Bush has also made it clear it was time for everyone "to step up to the shared duties of free nations."


After a day devoted to discussions with leaders from emerging and developing states, focusing on AIDS (news - web sites) and boosting aid to the poor, the G8 on Monday sat down for talks on the global economy and exchange rates.


Bush told his G8 partners that the United States would continue to pursue a strong dollar policy, a Japanese foreign ministry spokesman said, while France reported that the leaders had a "consensus approach" on exchange rates.


The dollar's drop has caused deep concern in the euro zone and Japan, where the corresponding appreciation of the single European currency -- which hit an all-time high last week -- and the yen is seen as a threat to exports and to the overall momentum of economic growth.


G8 leaders also delivered a blunt warning to North Korea and Iran -- members of Bush's "axis of evil" -- about their nuclear programmes in a final summit statement on the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.


But efforts by the G8 partners to repair relationships badly damaged over Iraq -- especially ties between the United States and France -- remained the overriding theme of the summit.


Controversy is still raging over the failure to find evidence that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime had weapons of mass destruction, the key justification for the US-led invasion of Iraq.


British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites), who held breakfast talks with his top ally Bush, insisted that Iraq had illegal weapons and told critics to be patient while the hunt for the arms continued.


"I stand absolutely, 100 percent behind the evidence, based on intelligence that we presented to people," a visibly angry Blair said, urging "patience" as the hunt for weapons continued.


A boatride away across Lake Geneva, Switzerland was facing a clean-up operation after a night of clashes between riot police and anti-globalisation protestors seeking to disrupt the G8 summit.


In Geneva, police used tear gas to disperse gangs who went on the rampage through the wealthy city, smashing shop windows, looting luxury stores and wrecking a petrol station, after similar scenes in Lausanne.





Hundreds were detained after the clashes, which flared as tens of thousands of anti-globalisation campaigners marched on both sides of the Swiss-French border to protest the "illegitimacy" of the world leaders meeting in Evian.

Africa -- which G8 host Chirac wants to be a priority of the summit -- was again on the agenda for Monday, after a handful of African presidents joined in Sunday's discussions.

South African President Thabo Mbeki announced the European Union (news - web sites) had agreed to commit one billion dollars a year to a global fund to fight AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis.

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) called on the G8 not to lose sight of the developing world, urging rich states to slash farm subsidies and boost debt relief.

Among other invited leaders was Chinese President Hu Jintao, making his first foreign foray since his appointment in March. He held talks with Bush focusing on the North Korean nuclear crisis but left Monday to continue his tour to Kazakhstan.
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Now, if Bush has the grace to tell Americans to end the childish "boycott" of French goods, the world will be a step closer to sanity.  Smile




 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 2:00 am

Some of us have memories and attention spans longer than 5 minutes.

That's all I'm going to say.
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 2:17 am

Some of us act a little more mature on situations as childish as this.

That's all I'm going to say.
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 2:21 am

"America" wouldn't have won the war of independance against the British without the help of the French.

That's all I'm going to say.
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 2:50 am

MattD:

"Some of us have memories and attention spans longer than 5 minutes."

....unfortunately, none of you are in the White House.  Wink/being sarcastic


That's all I'm going to say, .... for now.
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:04 am

I don't remember Bush actually telling us to boycott French products, the request came from other conservative outlets.

Or is Bush secretly running the boycott behind the scenes? Call me naive, I don't think he would actively pursue such things. BTW, there are plenty of others doing it for him...
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RE: Bush/Chirac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:23 am

It´s biz as usual, France and US needs each other.
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 5:41 pm

Yeah, when did Bush or any white house offical call for a French Boycott.

Congressmen going after a refil of "freedom fries" in the cafateria don't count.
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:22 pm

Oh, stop being so deliberately naive, people. You know perfectly well that, while Bush didn't initiate any boycott, his tacit approval-which has been stated in many articles over this-was one reason why it gained steam. He wanted such actions, and you know it. Had he simply come out and said "look, this isn't the right way to go, and will accomplish nothing", it would have died. But, being the baby he is, he gave it his blessing.

Again, he is showing himself ot be a dishonorable man.
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:28 pm

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Alpha 1 you personally know Bush's inner most thoughts and intentions, care to tell us what he's thinking about N Korea, i would like to know since it affects me directly. Ive never heard you call Clinton a dishonorable man BTW he never fullfilled any of his intentions and always back peddled so whats upwith that.
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:32 pm

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Alpha 1 you personally know Bush's inner most thoughts and intentions

Absolutely Galaxy, we know them.

Bush told (and that was not very smart in my opinion) that he wouldn't invite Chirac in his ranch.

1) I doubt Chirac cares about Bush's ranch. That's quite funny to have this kind of comment.
2) I heard yesterday that Bush invited Chirac.
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Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:37 pm

Absolutely Galaxy, we know them.

Bush told (and that was not very smart in my opinion) that he wouldn't invite Chirac in his ranch.

1) I doubt Chirac cares about Bush's ranch. That's quite funny to have this kind of comment.
2) I heard yesterday that Bush invited Chirac.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


Umm what does that have to do with anything, And how does it prove you have insight into Bush's inner most thoughts and reasoning? Again your being silly and naive.

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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:39 pm

Galaxy, I hope you put a lot of lip gloss on. Big grin
'Cause you're really kissing up to Bush these days.
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:49 pm

Like you Alpha worship the ground of Clinton, I guess its ok For you to defend him at every turn and Idolize him, but its not fine for anyone to defend bush or respect the man. Yup your true Democratic colors are showing now. Its the old "my way or the highway" mantra of you guys.
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:53 pm

Not really, Galaxy5. I think Clinton was a decent president, but his faux pas with Monica tainted that irrevocably. I don't think it was impeachable, what followed, but that's for the history books now. I think he was a far better Chief Executive than Bush is showing himself.

And I'd be careful throwing the "my way or the highway" line out. Looking at what Bush has done since October: bulldoze the UN, dismiss our friends and allies, and start a war simply to get his name in the history books, sounds like "my way or the highway" in the first degree.

I supported Bush on Afghanistan-still do. But since 1441 passed, and his arrogant disregard for everything but "his war", I lost a load of respect for the man, and I don't see how he can get it back in my eyes.

If that makes me a true Democrat, so be it. But at least I'm not blinded by his propoganda the way so many people are. I can actually think for myself, unlike these mice following this pied piper.
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:07 pm

And being in the Military for 14 years, I have seen how clinton stripped and degraded our capabilities and war fighting abilities. He was a terrible Commander and Chief, we had the largest exodus of skilled persons fleeing the military under Clinton, he may have had an ok domestic agenda but he really dropped the ball on foreign affairs, letting N korea build nukes, Allowing Iraq to continue to disregard UN mandate and sanctions. Practically allowing any country to bribe their way into recieving US funds by use of terror. And when you state mice following the pied piper, you have done the same my friend with your party, youve even got the company lingo down to a pinch.
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:13 pm

Galaxy, the military isn't an extension of the GOP, but you make it sound like it is.

If you don't like the C-in-C, then I'm glad those guys and gals left, because I don't want them trying to defend me when they're too busy hating the president.

I guess one has to start a war, and fly off a carrier, for some of the hawks in the military to be happy. I've never been a fan of the armed forces, and you just deepened that antipathy I feel. Well done.
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:39 pm

Are the freedom fries in the White House "french" again?
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 11:00 pm

It's only "freedom" if you agree with the majority like Galaxy5, Rickster. For the rest, it's punishment by any means that the majority can think of.
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Tue Jun 03, 2003 11:01 pm

Boy, I'm glad Johan brought back Non-Av...really, this is better than any of the political shows (O'Reilly, Hardball, etc.) on TV right now.

Everyone, keep bringing it!
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Wed Jun 04, 2003 12:11 am

We should see the G8 meeting in perspective...

None of the participants had any interest in creating the appearance of a chaotic and divided international situation; The effect on the global economy could have been very negative if the meeting had exuded anything but harmony.

The Iraq question is not the headliner any more; But it´s still on the agenda - including a keen interest in the possibility of the war having been based on lies and deceit. If that should turn out to be the case, I doubt it´ll get sweeped under the rug...
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Wed Jun 04, 2003 1:49 am

Not to veer from the point, but I did find this article at MSNBC.com pretty interesting:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/915057.asp

May 26/June 2 issue — “This is where he sat and lied to me,” a furious George W. Bush recently told a visiting European head of state. “He” is German Chancellor Gerhard Schroder, with whom Bush believed he had a deal—private acquiescence on Iraq in return for Bush’s not pressing for public support in the run-up to last September’s German elections. Everyone knows what happened instead.

THE PLAIN-SPEAKING Texan says he harbors no grudges against Germans or Germany. But his aversion to the German leader is deep, personal and abiding. “Schroder is no longer welcome here,” the president apparently told Jurgen Schrempp, DaimlerChrysler’s chairman, at a recent White House event, according to NEWSWEEK sources.

Attempting to improve relations, Schroder met with Secretary of State Colin Powell last Friday and agreed to U.S. demands that U.N. sanctions on Iraq be lifted. But the last one-on-one contact the chancellor had with Bush himself was a phone call in October, during which Bush reportedly listened in icy silence before lecturing the German leader on “trust” and “reliability” between allies. And after one German minister likened him to Hitler, Bush flatly refused to take Schroder’s call. Would the pair meet at upcoming summits in St. Petersburg and Evian? No time, said Powell before running off to a high-visibility visit with opposition leader Angela Merkel, a likely challenger for chancellor in 2006. The big chill looks set to last.


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Lets see if we can get past this one... It seems that Bush and Schroder are more at odds than Bush was with Chirac.

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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Wed Jun 04, 2003 1:57 am

“This is where he sat and lied to me,” a furious George W. Bush recently told a visiting European head of state.

Seems a bit hypocritical...
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Wed Jun 04, 2003 2:02 am

In my opinion, it's very unbecoming for the head of state of the world's richest, most powerful country to be harboring such deep, personal grudges. This isn't his own household we're dealing with, the livelihood of millions of Americans at Germans are at stake and this man has the self-righteous audacity to suggest that one of our longest and closest ally is no longer welcome to the White House because of some personal grudge?!?! Someone should remind Bush that Germany is a democracy and as such Schröder is bound to act in accordance with the will of the people who elected him to power.
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Wed Jun 04, 2003 3:55 am

It depends a lot on the context of the alleged promise...

After Bush´s visit, he stepped up the rethorics and started to push for war no matter what. I´m pretty certain Schröder did not promise to tag along regardless of the circumstances, whatever Bush may have imagined the outcome of that conversation.

Bush very probably made a mistake. But just as with historic nobility, the emperor is always right...  Insane
 
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RE: Bush/Chriac Make Up: Time To End The "Boycott"

Wed Jun 04, 2003 3:58 am

unfortunately, none of you are in the White House

Shouldn't that be changed to "fortunately"? I wouldn't trust some people here to handle a spork properly let alone a country.
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