Honestly, I don't mind being called stupid in the Non-Av forum.
As it happens, NEST was actively searching NY for Nukes in the wake of 911.
And W-DC as well. The concern would be that Islamic fascists had gotten hold of a device. Tax dollars well spent in this instance.
If in fact, Al Queda and company do not possess any actual nukes at this time, it is to the best that those aiding the terrorists via money, providing comfort, conspiring to fly aircraft into buildings/nuclear plants or spread small pox, preaching "Death to America" etc, are removed.
I don't of course, know that those held against their will in this case were guilty of immigration violations..but I was going by the report referenced above. For that matter, I don't know that they were mistreated either.. its the same source; do you wish to pick and choose your "facts"?
They were held as a matter of national security, and apparently they can be deported. Should all surveillance of terrorists plotting massive casualties be compromised in the trial of these folks? I think not.. The stakes are too high.
Have you seen the reports of OBL
's "poll #s" worldwide? He is quite popular with an extraordinary number of people.
And just anecdotally, I can tell you this includes many people that are apparently not considered "persons of interest" and live in New York. And, too, there were a good number of instances of persons in the New York/New Jersey area that celebrated 911. So, no, I am not surprised when I read reports of a relatively small (tiny actually) number of "persons of interest" being detained.
What is to be gained from Ashcroft and company knowingly rounding up absolutely the wrong people? Its obvious it would start a political firestorm of civil liberties in general and inflame ethnic fears of government abuse of their rights in particular.
If you check Ashcroft's record prior to his term in the Bush Administration, while you may find a very conservative viewpoint, I don't believe you will see a penchant for spying on the public and the concerns we see today. I believe these issues we see now are based on the realities and/or fears resulting from 911.
And, no, of course it is not "ok" or "right" for prisoners to be abused. But that has nothing to do with whether these "persons of interest" should or should not have been rounded up, so I think it is largely irrelevant in this instance.
While I may disagree with you on this issue, it shouldn't be necessary to believe I am a mindless dupe who believes everything the US Govt has ever declared.