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HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 11:54 am

An interesting news story caught my eye:

In what could be a step toward the development of a vaccine, Scripps Research Institute scientists said in a study published Friday that they have identified an antibody that neutralizes HIV (news - web sites), the virus that causes AIDS

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20030628/lo_kgtv/1676610

Interesting development. Let us hope this does indeed point the way to a true vaccine. Something like this could be used to treat current cases and convey immunity, the so called "miracle cure".
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:03 pm

I don't understand why so much money is poured into AIDS research while millions more people die from heart disease and cancer than from AIDS.

But there is a company that has invented an HIV drug already, and next week they will probably receive "fast track" permission from the FDA to produce it. So the problem is being attacked from many different sides, and some drug makers are making great strides towards the goal of ending AIDS.
 
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:10 pm

AIDS receives such great attention and funding because it is a politically correct disease and therefore must be given special consideration. Just remember what type of person AIDS usually effects the most.
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:18 pm

B757300, your such a sorry excuse for a human being, you know that?

Of course many conservatives, like B757300, don't want a cure, so it will kill off the homosexual population.

Not to people-and I use that term very loosely, B757300-like yourself: AIDS got such great attention because of it's high mortality rate, not for any PC bullshit as you say.

Of course, left to the likes of you, there would be NO research into AIDS, simply to satisfy your bloodlust to see gays suffer even more. It's not enough for someone like you that they be discriminated against simply because they are gay, but you wish them to simply die, so they won't further bother you.

We'll leave you a note, B757300, when we will ask you to join the human race. Right now, you absolutely don't belong. You're disgusting.
 
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:31 pm

Airworthy,

That vaccine is only 33% effective, a poor number. This could potentially lead to a cure-all vaccine. Which would be an amazing breakthrough.

And yes, B757300, that was absolutely disgusting.
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:37 pm

have to agree with Alpha 1 on this one...

and the majority of AIDS patients today are not gay anyway...
 
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:42 pm

757300, you where doing good untill you got to that second sentence.

But it is true, there are a lot of other serious and more deadly diseases that aren't funded to the levels that AIDS reseach is. AIDS gets the money because of the publicity.

I wonder how much closer we could be to an MS cure if Jerry Lewis got the amount of money that AIDS charities do through fundraisers and government funding.

But that being said, lets not get into a debate on which illnesses are more serious then others.
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:43 pm

B757300,

You've proven once again how intelligent you are. Seriously though, your disgusting comments are nothing short of ignorant, I suggest you brush up on your knowledge of AIDS / HIV.

______________________________________________

Why do people assume that AIDS research is politically correct or for the benefit of homosexuals? There are millions upon millions of HIV / AIDS cases in Africa and Asia, the problem so bad in some African communities that up to 60% of the population is infected.

That is the real reason huge sums of money are thrown towards a cheap and affordable cure. Let us not forget that any research into AIDS / HIV can be used for other incurable diseases. Obviously there is some prestige involved in those companies / researchers who are trying to find a cure - to do so would be of considerable financial windfall, not to mention notoriety.

One thing we should remember though, AIDS is an undiscriminatory disease and your suffering can sometimes be guaged in days to weeks to months. No one should go through this, no person on this planet deserves to die a death from HIV. To be blase and vulgar (like a certain post on here) is to foolish and reprehensible.

I did volunteer work in the mid 90's with ACON as a carer and I can assure you watching people suffer from this was worse than anything I have ever or will possibly ever see. The stigma, the shame, the treatments, the ailments all of it absolutely dreadful.

Never lose sight of the big picture.

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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 4:43 pm

Nice attitude, B757300. Were you only refering to gays? Or Africans as well? I'm just trying to figure out if you're just a homophobe, or a blatant racist as well.

Some of you may not have visited the continent of Africa recently. Let me just say that to witness the way this epidemic is destryoing so many lives there is extremely sobering. But at least we get the added benefit of getting rid of some homosexuals, right?

Anyway, this is at least some positive news.
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 8:20 pm

I believe in the theory that HIV was created in a military laboratory. Feel sorry for all the innocent victims.
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 8:39 pm

Airmale,

Conspiracy theories aside, you only have to look at the $$$$$$$$ that the drug companies are makeing on various treatments to know that something dirty is about.

Tofu anyone?

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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 9:19 pm

B757300

How ignorant and blind you are of the rest of the world! You know, the huge amount of anti-American sentiment that abounds in this world is because of ignorant Americans like you, who cannot see beyond the 50 states in the USA (and Iraq) and have a good look at the real problems in this world.

One such problem is the HIV/AIDS pandemic which is killing thousands every day! It honestly makes me sick when you suggest it is simply a "politically correct disease" and doesn't need special consideration.

Hell, even your mad president that you earnestly support realises that AIDS needs special consideration - why do you think he donated $15 billion to African countries to fight the pandemic??

Ugh... I cannot stand ignorance!

Wake up, and smell the coffee mister.
 
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 9:26 pm

Let us not forget that any research into AIDS / HIV can be used for other incurable diseases

Absolutely, which is why it is pointless to get into a discussion about which diseases are worse or need more attention then others.

Look at prostate cancer, big study just came out that said that hair growth medicine may prevent it.
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 9:29 pm

Airmale,

Your joking, right?

I would 10X rather see a cure for cancer than AIDS, to be honest. Lets face it, you CAN help getting AIDS, execpt of course unless your raped. Blood transfusions are safer than they use to be. However, you cannot help getting cancer, except smoking. Did you know after the age of 80, the male is at a 100% chance for prostate cancer. We gotta find a way to end that. AIDS gets an unfair cut of the money cake, lets face it. Call me what you want, but there is no denying it.
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 9:53 pm

No I'm not, it was created to destroy the economy of a particular country/region.
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:01 pm

And just out of curiosity, Do you have a source for this conspiracy theory.

Because last time I checked the first documented case of AIDS was in Africa in 1956.

Needless to say that geo-political concerns have changed considerably over the years.
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:01 pm

There is a television "spot" running in the Detroit area about AIDS becoming an epidemic. I'm not homophobic or racist, but I believe the actual epidemic is stupidity. Other than rape or the (rare) accidental contraction of HIV, AIDS is basically quite preventable. Irrespective of how distasteful B757300's comment might seem to some of you, it would be ignorant to totally disregard lifestyle scenario's impact on the complete equation. Kind regards...Jack
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:03 pm

NWA

I disagree.

Statstics taken from http://www-dep.iarc.fr/globocan/globocan.html and http://www.aegis.org/factshts/niaid/2000/niaid2000_fact_sheet_aidsstat.html:

Number of Cancer (all Cancer's) cases worldwide over a 1-year period: 2 938 766
Number of Cancer (all Cancer's) cases worldwide over a 5-year period: 10 247 921
Number of people infected with HIV/AIDS worldwide for the year 2000 (never mind the year 2002): 36 100 000

Clearly, there are a lot more people infected with HIV than there are people with Cancer. I'm not saying Cancer shouldn't be given consideration, but I am saying that HIV/AIDS cannot be ignored at all, and really must be given special consideration by everyone.

Whilst I agree with you that contracting HIV can be prevented through using a condom etc, one must realise that this is much easier said than actually done. The majority of AIDS cases are from Africa and South-East Asia, where much of the populace is largely uneducated about the dangers of HIV.

The west is invariably more educated about issues surrounding sex and sexuality, and is the reason why HIV has not been as prevaient in the west than the 'east.'

And blood transfusions in less developed countries are obviously not as safe as they are in developed countries, given the status of health care in countries. I, for one, happened to walk into a state hospital here in Johannesburg the other day, and saw how pathetic it actually was, and how easy it can be for anyone to contract HIV given the unhygenic conditions of the hospital. I thanked my lucky stars for medical aid and private hospitals!!

One cannot deny that HIV/AIDS is a pandamic. Cancer has not even neared the disastrous level HIV/AIDS is at, and as such, HIV/AIDS needs to be taken VERY, VERY seriously...
 
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:06 pm

Geez....looks like we hit a nerve now didn't we?

Before you all collectively take a piss on B757300's corpse now that you've drawn and quartered him, stop and listen to what he's saying.

Granted, maybe his choice of words left something to be desired, but he does have a point. Even though any person who is reasonably informed on the subject will tell you that HIV is spreading through the hetero population the way a fart sweeps through a crowded room, thanks to the "bi" males, it still carries that stigma or perception that it is a 'gay' disease. I'm not saying that it is a 'gay' disease (although it at least once was), but many people still believe that. It's that whole 'perception is reality' thing. And yes, I do believe that it probably gets a lot more notoriety and attention than is probably merited. When you put things in perspective, it's still not that widespread, the way cancer, heart disease, and diabetes are. But yes, a cure would be directly applicable to other diseases.

Although any person who engages in any kind of $ex is theoretically at risk for catching it, the reality is that your chances, from a purely mathematical probability standpoint are actually quite slim. Most likely, you'd have to have dozens, if not hundreds of high risk encounters before you'd likely catch it. Of course, there is that "one time" possibility, but we are talking averages here.

And yes, a lot of people do overlook the Africa situation, which is a sad. But as stated above, I firmly believe in the "conspiracy" of AIDS/HIV vaccine suppression: There is way too much money at stake from "treatments" (a.k.a. delaying death) that are the cash cows of the pharmeceutical industry. This does not mean that I don't believe that many people ar working tirelessly towards a cure, I'm just saying that corporate interests will keep any Major Breakthrough suppressed. After all, you cannot even get a home, or same day test to see if you are infected or not. Not only do you have to go see a doctor, you have to wait an agonizing week or two to get the results.

Wonder why that is.
 
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:19 pm

Matt D,

probably gets a lot more notoriety and attention than is probably merited. When you put things in perspective, it's still not that widespread, the way cancer, heart disease

Just check the figures in SunAir's above post:

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Number of Cancer (all Cancer's) cases worldwide over a 1-year period: 2 938 766
Number of Cancer (all Cancer's) cases worldwide over a 5-year period: 10 247 921
Number of people infected with HIV/AIDS worldwide for the year 2000 (never mind the year 2002): 36 100 000
***

the reality is that your chances, from a purely mathematical probability standpoint are actually quite slim. Most likely, you'd have to have dozens, if not hundreds of high risk encounters before you'd likely catch it. Of

You are forgetting a few key words. Your chances of catching it in a developed country is "actually quite slim", but it is a whole other story in 3rd world nations.

And yes, a lot of people do overlook the Africa situation, which is a sad. But as stated above

Yes and you also overlooked it in your post.

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[Edited 2003-06-28 15:20:06]
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:26 pm

Just one thing that I just thought of, whilst I think AIDS must be stopped, and we need a cure, there are ways of preventing it and EVEN THOUGH we've already said that its not that easy to do that in places like Africa and Asia, if they can't take preventative measures there how the hell are they going to get the cure?

Just a thought.
 
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:29 pm

And what exactly prevents an African or Asian from abstaining from sex or drugs?
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:30 pm

I stand corrected.

 
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:36 pm

I'd like to add something about changing lifestyles which, and I agree 100%, would significantly reduce the number of AIDS cases worldwide.

The west = educated. Most people in the west know about the dangers of HIV.

The 'East' = uneducated. Most people haven't even heard of HIV. And try explaining all the technical/biological terms to these people in a language they hardly understand. A mammoth task, I'm sure we'd all agree.

Nonetheless, educating people about HIV is indeed possible, and the more help governments get, the better.

HOWEVER, the fact remains that there are still 36 million living with HIV, 70% of these cases in sub-Saharan Africa. Children will be produced, and they'll contract the virus. They'll produce children, and the vicious cycle will get worse and worse.

Then... then... I'm afraid to say that other diseases will appear totally insignificant when compared to HIV.

A cure is indeed needed, but as Matt D stated, the pharamceutical industry are a bunch of cash cows, and I, also, wouldn't be surprised if a cure is suppressed by this very powerful industry, in order to keep on making money with drugs such as NVP.

 
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 11:36 pm

sunair,

I disagree, your statistics are done incorrectly. People with cancer dont live as long people with AIDS. To do it correctly, you would have to figure out all the people who died of aids, and have aids. Then figure out how many have died of cancer, and that have cancer, and how many have beat it. The AIDS number gets larger and larger because people don't die off as fast.

And then I bring you to MY question. Why is it Africa thinks the U.S. , or any country for that matter, should help them with billions of dollars of aid for this? I don't see them giving us any money.
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Sat Jun 28, 2003 11:41 pm

Suppress potential vaccines? This thinking is a bit out of whack.
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:07 am

NWA - When given much, like the USA, much is expected. Since out country is so blessed it is only right that we should help others out. Since Africa has nothing, even if it is their own fault. We should help them out. You do realize how much money the US government wastes on EXTREMELY frivolous things right? I think human life is a bit more valuable.


And then I bring you to MY question. Why is it Africa thinks the U.S. , or any country for that matter, should help them with billions of dollars of aid for this? I don't see them giving us any money.


Definately the second most ignorant statement I've heard today.
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:10 am

Suppress potential vaccines? This thinking is a bit out of whack.

AC320. There is no profit in a cure.........
 
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:34 am

NWA

To do it correctly, you would have to figure out all the people who died of aids, and have aids.

And what about those people who have contracted HIV? Once an individual contracts HIV, they are doomed to death simply because, unless a cure is found, all HIV cases will develop into full blown AIDS.

To do it correctly, one would have to figure out all the people who have HIV, because these people will develop AIDS, and will die.

And the number of people with HIV/AIDS is 36 million. The number of Cancer cases is 3 million. Draw your own comparison...

As for your question, if the USA feels it has a duty to liberate the people of Iraq, it sure as hell has a duty to liberate the dying people of Africa. I guess this duty is one of the drawbacks to being the wealthiest nation on earth.

And as for Africa helping out the USA.... um, with what? Providing shields and spears, perhaps??

AC320

Nope, it's not whacked out thinking. Take, for example, the Neverapine (NVP) drug, which significantly reduces the chance of mother to child HIV transfusion. NVP is very expensive, but it is needed because so far there is no cure for HIV.

Firstly, if some bright scientist suddenly comes up with a cure for HIV, NVP will no longer be needed. The HIV/AIDS pandemic will most likely dissapear, which as KROC pointed out, means pharmaceutical companies will not be cash cows anymore because there will no longer be a demand for NVP.

Secondly, the cure will only be needed for as long as the HIV virus is around. Once HIV has virtually dissapeared, money will stop flowing into their bank accounts, as there will no longer be a need for the vaccine.

So, you see it'll work out for them in the long run to suppress any cure that is discovered...
 
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:47 am

"NWA - When given much, like the USA, much is expected. Since out country is so blessed it is only right that we should help others out. Since Africa has nothing, even if it is their own fault. We should help them out. You do realize how much money the US government wastes on EXTREMELY frivolous things right? I think human life is a bit more valuable"

--definitely the most ignorant statement I've heard today.

In the business world, results are expected. You give some, you get some. That's how it works. The government takes my money to put it into things. I have no problem with them. However, when we gave Africa over 1 billion dollars to fight aids, what did that do? Where are the results? Are the aids cases decreasing because of that? I pay taxs, I want results with the money I give. It is africa's fault they have nothing. No mater how much money we give them, they will still have nothing. Takes a business class sometime. Its a waist of money. Put that money into research in our own country, not hand it out to Africa to piss away. No matter how much money we give them, it wont help. CNN Was just talking about it not to long ago, the lack of results compared to the money we have given them. That's right, we do spend money on frivolous things. But guess what, its our money, it goes to help our people.
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:02 am

AIDS receives such great attention and funding because it is a politically correct disease and therefore must be given special consideration. Just remember what type of person AIDS usually effects the most.
Black,African heterosexuals?

There are 4 nations in Africa which have HIV infection rates of above 25% of the population including one over 35%.

And what exactly prevents an African or Asian from abstaining from sex or drugs
lack of information about AIDS/HIV ispossibly the biggest cause of AIDS in Africa today.

Why is it Africa thinks the U.S. , or any country for that matter, should help them with billions of dollars of aid for this? I don't see them giving us any money.

Umm maybe because Africa is VERY piss-poor and has no chance of any serious per capita economic growth when the West screws Africa double over with regards to agriculture trade.
Just to give you some idea,the West spends more on farm trade subsidies each year than the value of output of sub-Sahara Africa.
 
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:05 am

That's still insane thinking. No one would stand for a company that suppresses the cure to such a disease. Certainly the researchers themselves would be happy, and especially now with this discovery out, we're likely to see many groups around the world try to tackle the issue of developing a method for the body to replicate these antibodies, try to keep all them quiet.

The ethical issue here is too great; no one would suppress such a cure, that is simply distrust and paranoia.
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:06 am

Africa should be able to make a killing off of all sorts of foods. Dont give that that its the wests fault crap. It gets old.
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:40 am

Africa should be able to make a killing off of all sorts of foods. Dont give that that its the wests fault crap. It gets old.

So how exactly is Africa meant to compete when Western farmers are subsidised by their governments directly related to their levels of productions.This has the result of causing massive oversupply as farmers have no regard to match supply to demand.These surpluses are then dumped on the world market below production cost so that African farmers can't compete.
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 4:10 am

What has never been answered in my mind is why no one tried to find a cure when this epidemic was spreading through Africa in the '70s? Surely it could have been know to be spread to Asia, Europe and the Americas.

I am offended by the statment that HIV/AIDS is the 'politically correct' disease. The last time I surfed the channels, I saw commercials asking for money for Parkensons research, non-Hodgkins resarch, breast cancer research but nothing asking for money for HIV/AIDS. Since Michael J Fox announced he has Parkensons, there has been more education on that. Does that make it the PC disease?

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Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:41 am

So the west aimed this at africa then? I dont see any other area of the world that is as bad off as them. If it were the wests fault, everyone would be affected.
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:04 am

SunAir, your figures for number of new cancer case each year are incorrect by a very large margin.

According to the World Health Organization, the number of new cancer cases exceed 10 million per year.

http://www.who.int/inf/en/pr-2002-52.html
 
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 8:57 am

Well Africa is by far the world's poorest nation thus AIDS is most prevalent there due to the nation of the disease and Africans not knowing much about it/not able to afford much even if they do.
 
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:07 am

O.K., here's my deal. Since (as we are apparently being taught) the dawn of man started in Africa, and we "young folks" (especially the USA) have only been around for a little while, why the hell doesn't Africa have seemingly no capability of figuring stuff out for themselves? Can't "they" listen to a little education? Or common sense? I'm not talking about building rocketships to the moon, I'm talking about simple communication. This nonending crap about "advanced" civilizations owing lesser fortunates dollars large for help, or need, is just that. Crap. How the hell did it come about that younger, progressive civilizations seem to do a bit better? I would submit, as I previously posted, that stupidity is the major cause of AIDS everywhere, perhaps (ESPECIALLY), Africa. To those who insinuate that there was/is a geopolitical "plot" behind the HIV virus, I should tell you that I have half of an old ham sandwich stuffed in the back of my 'fridge that is more intellegent than you are. Kind regards...Jack
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:35 pm

working in the pharma industry, I can honestly say that the first company to come up with a cure for any disease will make a fortune, and rightfully so.

I love the people that complain about the profits that drug companies make, but never stop to realize that a company like coca-cola makes more profit for a product that does not enhance your quality of life (or save it) and doesn't spend any profits researching and developing new products to do the same.

Without drug companies, we wouldn't have cholesterol lowering agents, anti-hypertensive agents or any other products that help extend the lifespan of the human race. Sure, prescription drugs cost a lot of money, but they are well worth it, its an investment in your life.

As far as companies holding back cures, that is complete bullshi*t, every single company out there is looking for the cure

 
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Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:20 pm

I pay taxs, I want results with the money I give.

How much in taxes does someone between the ages of 16 and 20 whose claimed occupation is "flight simulator" paying? You claim to be a Christian, NWA, correct? You want a result with your money? How about the possibility that a life somewhere will be able to see another day? Is that not ultimately a Christian wish?

With that thinking, I assume you could care less with the President's propaganda that the war in Iraq was to liberate the people from a ruthless dictator. Because from what you're saying, your tax dollars that paid for the war will never give you any results other than the TV images of Iraqis dancing in the street now that Saddam is gone. But, somehow the images of an African child who was given drugs that spared him from contracting HIV from his mother aren't worth the same?

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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:41 pm

That'd be fantastic if they can find a cure to HIV/AIDS. It's ridiculously hard to cure a virus. Viruses are nonliving (not yet proven) organisms that take over the cells, use the cells by transcribing their DNA into the cells DNA, then eventually destroys that cell, releasing many more viruses. Think that was tough just to understand? Finding a cure would be much thougher of course. Now the antibody would neutralize the cell, that would mean that it could not enter the cells of the body that are essential right?! Well hell, that's fantastic! I truely hope that they find a care, so millions of people around the world can live!!

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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:03 pm

"How much in taxes does someone between the ages of 16 and 20 whose claimed occupation is "flight simulator" paying? "

Nice insult. First off, when was th last time I updated that? I work at a computer repair place and make $600 a week, though that will stop before college starts up. Now then, dont give me that crap that because I am under 20 I dont pay taxs. I have every right to bitch about it as the next person. There is a differnce between removing a ruthless dictator that had ties with terrorist outfits than just giving over 1 billuion to africa. A HUGE differnce.
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:47 pm

"There is a differnce between removing a ruthless dictator that had ties with terrorist outfits than just giving over 1 billuion to africa. A HUGE differnce."

You're right. And the difference is: spending money to help fight AIDS in Africa makes sense. Invading/occupying a country that posed absolutely no threat to America didn't. But that's another debate.


-Africas current politcal and social problems are a direct result of the colonization/desertion by Europeans. It IS the Wests fault.

-America has a moral obligation to help fight this disease, even Dubya figured that one out.

By the way, I don't get how the news of a possible vaccine for HIV/AIDS can possibly bring about such hostility. I smell young Republicans.



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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sun Jun 29, 2003 7:06 pm

There is a differnce between removing a ruthless dictator that had ties with terrorist outfits than just giving over 1 billuion to africa. A HUGE differnce

You're right, the war cost over 1 billion, wasn't wanted by a large number of Iraqis, was founded on lies and a desire by Bush for war at any costs.

The aid costs less and saves lives.
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:13 pm

This nonending crap about "advanced" civilizations owing lesser fortunates dollars large for help, or need, is just that. Crap. How the hell did it come about that younger, progressive civilizations seem to do a bit better? I would submit, as I previously posted, that stupidity is the major cause of AIDS everywhere, perhaps (ESPECIALLY), Africa.
Again,more crap from you.It's nothing to do with civilisations etc.It's to do with Africans being very,very poor and not being able to afford the spending on AIDS education etc. Furthermore,the rural nature of Africa(some countries have 80% of the population living in the countryside)makes it hard to reach everybody.So how exactly is stupidity past of the equation?Lack of information is not stupidity.
 
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:15 pm

a ruthless dictator that had ties with terrorist outfits than
Who was that?
 
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:02 pm

Matty,

It is with a bit of sadness that I have to tell you, that your wrong.

Of all people. To say what you have is beastly.

Someone who I respected.

Take care.

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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:04 pm

What did I say that was so bad-keeping in mind that I admitted an error?
 
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RE: HIV/AIDS - Closer To A Cure?

Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:05 pm

ModernArt:

According to the World Health Organization, the number of new cancer cases exceed 10 million per year.

I stand corrected. The number of HIV/AIDS cases, however, was at 36 million for the year 2000. Still a huge margin between the two diseases. As said, one can only wonder what the statistics are now.

I don't want to give the impression that I'm suggesting Cancer is a 'silly' disease. It isn't at all, and most of my family has unfortunately been affected by the disease. It is a horrible disease. But one must realise that HIV/AIDS is an extremely serious disease that has reached pandemic levels, and threatens to destroy a great deal of the sub-Saharan regions' population. It therefore needs a great deal of attention.

As for wealthy nations donating money, I can see the point that some people make about the money going into the coughers of government officials. However, one forgets Non-Governmental Organisations, who get virtually no money yet are the ones who do the most work. UN Aids, for instance, can receive a huge boost of money, and I'd bet that the money will go to where it is needed.

Wealthy nations should help poorer countries because it is their duty as fellow human beings. Without help from richer nations, poorer nations will continue in the downward spiral they are currently heading in, and the situation will only get worse and worse. The richer will get richer, and the poorer will get poorer. And this... needs to stop.

Lastly, AC320. You mentioned "ethical issue." I personally don't think pharmaceutical companies care about ethics and morality, but rather about how much money they can make. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I guess we'll see when a cure is discovered.  Smile

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