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Wow, Arnold Compares Power Vacuum In Iraq To Calif

Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:39 pm

It floored me when I read those comments in the story. He said it while on a morale tour of troops stationed in Iraq.

"It is really wild driving around here, I mean the poverty, and you see there is no money, it is disastrous financially and there is the leadership vacuum, pretty much like in California right now," he said.

Schwarzenegger, 55, has indicated he may run for governor of Californian as a Republican if residents there vote to recall the Gov. Gray Davis (news - web sites).

"I play terminator, but you guys are the true terminators," he told the soldiers, before heading to the base at Balad that came under attack.


I think California has been pretty screwed up for a while, but this comment may be going a bit far.
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RE: Wow, Arnold Compares Power Vacuum In Iraq To Calif

Sat Jul 05, 2003 12:06 am

I'm guessing you've never been to south central LA?
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RE: Wow, Arnold Compares Power Vacuum In Iraq To Calif

Sat Jul 05, 2003 12:38 am

I shudder at any thought of Arnold as governor. California's economic problems are pretty deep seated. While poor Gray may be an ineffectual governor (even though the republicans ran an equally ineffectual candidate against him), he is not directly to blame for most of the issues facing California today.
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RE: Wow, Arnold Compares Power Vacuum In Iraq To Calif

Sat Jul 05, 2003 12:49 am

Two things will pull CA out of its depression.

1. Don't tax the citizens to death. We already pay among, if not actually, the highest taxes in the nation.

2. Roll up the San Diego/Imperial Red Carpets, and cut off the endless cash black hole flow going to those who 1) do not deserve it and 2) do not belong here.

Case closed.
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RE: Wow, Arnold Compares Power Vacuum In Iraq To Calif

Sat Jul 05, 2003 2:02 am


I think you and I both know that what will save CA is a up-turn in the economy that leads to profits for companies, and income taxes earned there-in.

Davis isn't at fault for the economy, but he could have done something to prevent $38B of defecit now. Nothing was done to insure there would be money for a rainy day, plus he's a lying idiot like all the rest, but that's just my opinion.

Arnold? Well, he'd shake things up, and he doesn't like to take much shit, so I'm all for him, he's got my vote if he runs.

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RE: Wow, Arnold Compares Power Vacuum In Iraq To Calif

Sat Jul 05, 2003 2:23 am

2. Roll up the San Diego/Imperial Red Carpets, and cut off the endless cash black hole flow going to those who 1) do not deserve it and 2) do not belong here.

To all our viewers who are tunning in from parts outside of the US/Mexico border, we should note that the San Diego and Imperial counties in California are the ones that border Mexico......in his reference to these two counties Matt D seems (please note the word "seems") to say that the current California budget deficit is caused in part by illegal mexican immigrants leeching on public services............but let's look at the following link and broaden our intelectual horizons for the time being......


The Myth Of Illegals
Prop 187 advocates seem to deny the paradox of this law: movements like "Save Our State" are torn between wanting to get rid of the illegals (and the deterioration of the American social fabric and standard of living they represent) and wanting to exploit them for all they're worth to enhance their own standard of living. People who criticize today's immigrants contend that, as a whole, the current newcomers are fundamentally different from the 13 million Eastern and Southern Europeans who immigrated to the U.S. in the first half of this century. Thirty-eight percent of today's arrivals are white, compared with 88 percent of those who came before 1960. Critics also argue that our highly developed economy now demands brains, not brawn, which means poorly educated and indigent immigrants have little hope of following their predecessors into the middle class.

Contrary to what many Americans believe, the vast majority of today's immigrants--legal and illegal--are doing well, or are at least striving to pave the way for their children to live better lives. Those immigrant families who arrived in the U.S. before 1980 boast a higher average income than that of native-born Americans. Few immigrants come to America to get on welfare. Immigrant children aren't devouring precious education dollars: only four percent of the $227 billion we spend on education is spent on educating legal immigrant children and just two percent is spent on the estimated 648,000 children who are here illegally. Immigrants are not long-term drains on our economy. Yes, the estimated 3.8 million illegal immigrants cost the country $2 billion a year, chiefly because they work in low-wage jobs and often don't pay income taxes. But as a group, the foreign-born pay $25 to $30 billion a year more in taxes than they consume in government services, and working-age, non-refugee immigrants are much less likely than natives to receive welfare, according to the Urban Institute.
Looking Illegal
The passage of Prop 187 demonstrates the tendency of the California public to mask economic and social ills with nativist rhetoric. Legal immigrants or citizens of foreign ancestry are easy targets of racism, because the burden of proving citizenship and "Americanness" falls upon all Asian Americans, Latinos, and anyone else who "looks illegal." And what will happen to the undocumented immigrants? Save-Our-Staters have not addressed the losses of productivity, greater poverty, and increased crime that may result from the displacement of so many workers.
Punished & Exploited
Prop 187 proponents are spurred on by their fear of the illegal brown masses spreading and coloring their state and reducing their standard of living. Yet, while they want to execute a coordinated public punishment of illegals for coming into their state, they also want to exploit them for cheap labor. John Acosta, a former illegal fruit-picker who now manages a construction company, sums up the paradox of Prop 187 pretty well: "Come on guys, the businessmen backing Prop 187 are the guys employing these people. Everyone agrees, even in the Latino community, that something has to be done about illegal immigration. But everyone also knows what the game is. If you have a job to do, go down the corner and grab a few Mexicans."

In addition to economic exploitation, there is an exploitation of one racial identity to affirm another. What exactly is the nature of the state that Save-Our-Staters are trying to save? It seems to go beyond their standard of living. Yet undocumented immigrants are not causing the huge economic drain that so many claim them to be; they are filling jobs that most Americans do not want. In targeting the "undocumented" population, 187 proponents have unleashed abuses against those with visible racial differences. Whether conscious or not, the negative portrayal of illegals as indigent and racially "other" strengthens and glorifies the dominant and "normal" identity of citizens who believe they are the "true" Californians.
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RE: Wow, Arnold Compares Power Vacuum In Iraq To Calif

Sat Jul 05, 2003 7:10 am

Anyone else think that Schwarzneggar, like him though we do, should stick to movies and stay out of politics?
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RE: Wow, Arnold Compares Power Vacuum In Iraq To Calif

Sat Jul 05, 2003 7:20 am

Simply need to chime in again to say that Marcus is absolutely correct.

In one generation, a majority of the southern immigrant population should be highly educated, and with an unmatched work ethic, the sterotypes we have now should be smashed.

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RE: Wow, Arnold Compares Power Vacuum In Iraq To Calif

Sat Jul 05, 2003 7:27 am

Arnold is pretty shrewd. He has a good rapport with California GOP heavyweights and through Maria he's got connections to the Democrats. Plus, he's a moderate Republican whose rhetoric so far doesn't include on pinning the tail for all of California's economic woes on hapless Mexican illegals.
Now its a different matter if he actually knows anything about running the largest state in the Union, but I'm sure he knows more than Reagan did. And I doubt if Arnold is the type of guy (Terminator or not) to send out the National Guard to rein in a few pothead campus kids.
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RE: Wow, Arnold Compares Power Vacuum In Iraq To Calif

Sat Jul 05, 2003 12:37 pm

Being a California school student and acutely aware of social issues, I cannot forgive Davis for winning the election in part on the promise of being the "education governor," then turning around and brutalizing the education funding while pouring huge amounts of money into the state prison system.
He seemed far too interested in building up his warchest while neglecting the electorate that put him in office.
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