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It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 05, 2003 6:07 pm

Nope folks, not making that up.

The perennial holder of the top ranking of the best country to live in, Canada has been bumped from third place all the way down to eight. It had been the holder of the top spot for many years until bumped by Norway and Sweden last year.

This is according to the United Nations Human Development Index, which is included as part of the 2003 Human Development Report.

Factors lowering Canada's score was a lack of doctors per 100,000 people compared with other countries, decreasing GDP, and higher unemployment.

This years offical rankings for as as follows.

1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. The Netherlands
6. Belguim
7. U.S.
8. Canada


Needless to say, the opposition parties up there are going to have a field day, taking shots at Creitians leadership. After all Brian Mulroney's government was the one that got Canada the Number 1 spot on the list many moons ago.

Just something else the liberals have pissed away in the southlands, eh?

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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 05, 2003 10:34 pm

I heard about that as well. Quite surprising after all these years with Canada being on top.
I can understand Icelands high rank due to the fact that this country is basically all Hyrdrogen when it comes to energy. Very little to no pollutants except cars and planes I guess.

Norway has Kristanna Loken, thats why that country got number 1! If anybody that hot can be from this country, I would sure like to move down there. There may be more Kristannas..  Big grin

Interesting how even the US beat Canada. Course US is larger in economy, GDP and GN, but I guess somenow these and a few other things such as high security perhaps gave it a better spot.

I think the recent events like SARS outbreak, Bad Cow disease and West nile Virus may have played a part in making canada more undesirable to live.

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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:17 pm

Eh, we want a recount, eh! The UN's a bunch of hosers eh!

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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:19 pm

You know. Not more then an hour ago, I was watching Strange Brew.

Great flick.
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:22 pm

Oh excuse me.

Great Flick......eh?
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:24 pm

Lack of doctors? Canadians enjoy several benifits from our healthcare system including longer life, lower infant mortality, universal access and less costly healthcare than the US does. The fact that we do it all with fewer doctors is quite a feat.

Also, the study is based on data that's 2 years old. I know for a fact that Canada's economy is on a roll and our employment numbers are far better than the US's at the moment.



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Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:33 pm

decreasing GDP, and higher unemployment.

Decreasing GDP?LOL!The Canadian economy is doing the 2nd best in the industrialised world at the moment(after Australia) ie 1st quarter stats.
 
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:34 pm

Where was the uk in this report? it hasnt made news here.
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:38 pm

I never thought I'd agree with L-188, but he's absolutely right: Brian Mulroney was a much better PM than Jean Chrétien. To tell you how bad Jean Chrétien is, I'd say that Jean Chrétien is to Canada what Dubya is to the US; that's how bad he is. No vision, no integrity, cynical, hijacked the political institutions for his own good, etc.

As a Canadian, there's nothing to be proud of in this drop. But, as a die-hard opponent to the Liberal Party of Canada, for sure I will rub their nose in, considering how they used that report for their own good when Canada was still ranked number one.

Can't wait to read the final report to see exactly what went wrong.
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Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:41 pm

Qb101,

As a fellow Canadian I have to agree...and disagree. Chretien is a big loser. The faster he goes the better off we'll all be.

But.....to put ANY sort of positive light on Brian Mulroney is repugant in my opinion. That guy did much more harm to Canada and Canadians than Chretien could ever muster.
 
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Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:55 pm

Amazing how the US is quite willing to accept UN praise considering it's reaction to UN criticism. Same can be said for my country of course.

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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:55 pm

Lstc,

Granted, Mulroney was not a saint. He did his fair share of stupid moves to take away the credibility of our political institutions, hence increasing the cynism of the population.

But, at times, Mulroney stood up as a man of principle and this country enjoys some of his work. The two main policies he brought forward in that regard being the GST and the free trade agreement with the US. Remember the Liberals said they would "scrapped" these, but kept them anyway? That's because those are good policies.

And, as opposed to Chrétien (and his mentor Trudeau), Mulroney did not betray Québec during constitutional crisis. Which is why, as opposed to Chrétien and Trudeau, he enjoys quite a lot of respect here.

Mulroney is not the best PM this country ever had (that being Lester B. Pearson), but he's not the worst either.
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:56 pm

Yeah, I know I should be telling them to stick it.

But you know what if it makes you feel better, I am still pissed they have Australia listed higher then the US.

You all have way too many weird bugs and poisonous snakes down there. Big grin
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Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:02 am

L-188,

But you know what if it makes you feel better, I am still pissed they have Australia listed higher then the US.

You all have way too many weird bugs and poisonous snakes down there.


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Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:38 am

Wow !
Isnt that amazing.

The same lot who would prefer having the UN blown to smithereens on issues they disagree with are now using UN figures for their puerile claims.
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Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:42 am

Realistically, really big countries have a tough way to go as far as maintaining quality of life. The USA has approximately one quarter of one billion people living within our borders, so even though Australia, Norway and Sweden are ranked higher, remember that they have far lower populations and are thus somewhat more governable and easier to provide for. Good job, USA! Hell, I'm surprised we're even in the top 10.
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:56 am

Well in that case, USA should be number one!! Go USA, the best country in the world (obviously)!
 
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Sun Jul 06, 2003 2:14 am

For someone who doesn't even want to be part of the U.S., L-188, you're making an awful big deal of the U.S. finishing 7th out of 8 nations.  Big grin

And I find it most ironic that you put ANY stock in the UN. Weren't they the big-time fuck-ups before the war with Iraq?

Interesting.
 
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sun Jul 06, 2003 6:05 am

hmm, higher number of doctors per 100,000 people ? Healthy countries don´t need that many.

I question the variables used to come with this ranking.

Iceland for god sake, IMO you must like literature, dark cold winters & smelly pools to love it.. anout same goes for Sweden, IMO it is a good place if like high tax, Ikea and make a hole in the ice to swim.

No, don´t value it to high, however good to see Netherlands beat the Belgium Rode Duivels who somehow now think it is OK to kick our .ss at tennis ...
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sun Jul 06, 2003 6:52 am

higher number of doctors per 100,000 people ? Healthy countries don´t need that many

Then what metrics are more important in creating a healthy country, if not the availability of qualified doctor?

Even in a healthy country, how do you keep short waiting lists and specialised services without having lots of qualified doctors? Do tell...

Realistically, really big countries have a tough way to go as far as maintaining quality of life.

Why? Big countries have proportionately more tax revenues with which to provide services. If anything, they benefit from economies of scale.

Compare the range of sizes in the top 10 to the range of sizes of all countries.  Big grin

One factor that does occur to me is that tax-and-spend countries tend to drift up towards the top of the table, suggesting that lots of public-sector spending is more important to "quality of life" than is take-home pay for the average working adult.

(Which I find frustrating - admittedly this is one of the best places I've ever lived, but the Belgian government takes a huge slice out of my pay, and it's very unlikely that I will ever draw deeply on all those expensive public services)
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sun Jul 06, 2003 7:54 am

Statistics, especially if they reflect favorably are nice. However if the U.S. ranked first, middle or last doesn't make me feel any different about the country in which I live. My life won't change because of this. I know the goodness and opportunity as well as the negative aspects of my country. Stat's like these are fun to read but they won't pay my bills. Like someone once said, "I don't need a weatherman to tell me which way the wind is blowin", (or something like that). I'm sure most people from all different countries would agree.
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Sun Jul 06, 2003 7:57 am

Amen to that, FDXmech!

However, it's surely interesting to see who started this thread and was so happy to quote a United Nations survey...  Big grin
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Sun Jul 06, 2003 11:24 am

Where is France ? we have the best wine, cheese, fast trains and big planes !hm I guess all those are not good for one's health.
 
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sun Jul 06, 2003 11:34 am

Parisien, not true. We're told the French love of wine actually counteracts the high fat diet. Sounds good to me.
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sun Jul 06, 2003 11:41 am

We're told the French love of wine actually counteracts the high fat diet.

Unfortunately, this is more an urban legend than a fact.
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Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:03 pm

Bobrayner:
Indeed, there is a significantly higher amount of tax revenue coming in to the government, but think of the services that need to in turn be provided for those 280,000,000 people.
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Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:11 pm

How did we go from #1 or 2, to 8th!?

What happened? SARS?
 
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Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:18 pm

Stastitics are fun to talk about-be them in sports, politics or things like this, but they really don't mean a whole lot. To me, I think the U.S. is the only place I'd ever want to live, and so, in my mind, it's #1, and always will be.
 
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sun Jul 06, 2003 10:58 pm

Actually, I hate to admit it but the claims that the Alaska Statehood vote where illegal under international law is based on UN resolutions.

So, I begrudingly acknowledge their existance.

But I don't like it.

I figure the powers that be in UN are actually having the US held back in that survey, for their own political motives. We should be at least in the top three Big grin
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 3:58 am

Meh no biggie to me, I would rather loose to the USA then to IRAQ!!!
 
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:00 am

Who cares what the UN has to say about anything anyhow.
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:44 am

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Mon Jul 07, 2003 7:26 am

Who cares what the UN has to say about anything anyhow.

Most of the world.
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:29 am



Go *Australia*.

Strange that somewhat semi-socialist nations come out on top.

Australia's economy has been booming for quite some time whilst the rest of the world has been lagging.

The somewhat peso like quality of the Aussie dollar has probably helped us along the way by providing cheap resources accross the board.

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Mon Jul 07, 2003 10:17 am

That seems like a big part of the equation, mb. I think a lot of it also stems from stability issues. There is inherent instability with countries with the USA, UK, Russia and Germany, etc. because they are major world policy makers. Their markets shift so much on their governments' world decisions. Not to demean Australia at all, but the ASX isn't exactly going to lose 500 pts. on news of 400 troops being deployed to Western Asia.
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:34 pm

AL,

True about Australia - however I work in Australian and International markets and we follow the American markets quite closely.

Our fundamentals and healthy economy are more to do with economic policies and very cheap labour forces / primary produce - courtesy of the low Aussie dollar.

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Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:11 am

Living in the US is worse that in Canada, I would assume.
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Fri Jul 11, 2003 2:25 am

The two main policies he (Mulroney) brought forward in that regard being the GST and the free trade agreement with the US. Remember the Liberals said they would "scrapped" these, but kept them anyway? That's because those are good policies.

I don't think anyone would have been able to reverse NAFTA. International agreements that enter into law aren't instantly reversable. But it's not hard to see that Canada gets the sh*t end of the stick when it comes to NAFTA.

GST? Good idea. Bad implementation. Its got to be one of the most complex tax schemes in the world. It probable uses 25% of the take just to administer it, inlcuding all of the rebates.

Nobody can convince me that Brian Mulroney was the best Prime Minister. You won't have a problem convincing me that he was the worst....

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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:16 am

Lstc,

There is a clause in NAFTA that stipulates that any party can bring it to an end within 6 months:
Article 2205: Withdrawal
A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.


As for the GST being badly implemented, I don't where you got that. Any accountant will tell you that it is much more simpler to administer than the 6% export tax it replaced.

Nobody said that Mulroney was the best PM we've ever had, Pearson was. But he's not the worst; only urban legends will tell you that.
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Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:29 am



Look at the list, which County spends as much (per person) as the US on its military?

Factor that back in and the US would finish higher.

 
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Fri Jul 11, 2003 7:42 am

North County,

Please! Factor in "Hydrogen Cars Per Capita" and ICELAND WE HAVE A WINNER.

Or: "'Lord of the Rings' film sets per square Kilometer" and New Zealand gets it.

Or: "Capital Cities named Paris per nation" and France wins hands down.

This ranking was done by the United Nations Human Development Index, which is the portfolio of the UN that follows the living standards of people worldwide.

Even if the US had spent 400 gazillion dollars on defence it would have made no difference to the outcome.

On the same token - we cannot claim that one country is overall better than another - there are too many variables to contend with. As Alpha 1 said: "Stastitics are fun to talk about-be them in sports, politics or things like this, but they really don't mean a whole lot. To me, I think the U.S. is the only place I'd ever want to live, and so, in my mind, it's #1, and always will be."

So ignore this stupid ranking and just be glad you aren't one of the starving millions in Africa, Asia or the Middle East.

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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:26 am

Well, the way i see it, it think "the best country to live in" should be based on what country has the best... BEER! Go CANADA! Canada has the best beer in the world! It beats out those sissy AMERICAN beer companies with their low alcohol content by a long shot! I think Canada should be #1 again because they have the best beer!

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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 4:52 pm

Canadian beer?

Labatts and Molsen both suck!

They are just metric versions of Budwiser

If you want good beer, go to Bravaria!
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RE: It's Offical! UN Says US Better Than Canada!

Sat Jul 12, 2003 4:59 pm

"Australia's economy has been booming for quite some time whilst the rest of the world has been lagging."

Uhhh, Canada's economy was the fastest growing in the G8 last year...I'd hardly say the rest of the world is lagging behind Australia.

Who was it that went on that rant some time ago saying Australia is an economic powerhouse etc. Anyone remember? lol

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