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Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:02 pm

Brought to you from that same religious lunatic that claims he prayed a Hurricane away from the Carolina coast a few years back.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030715/ap_on_go_su_co/brf_robertson_supreme_court_1

Robertson Calls for Justices' Retirement
Mon Jul 14,11:48 PM ET


VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson urged his nationwide audience Monday to pray for God to remove three justices from the Supreme Court so they could be replaced by conservatives.



"We ask for miracles in regard to the Supreme Court," Robertson said on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "The 700 Club."


Robertson has launched a 21-day "prayer offensive" directed at the Supreme Court in the wake of its 6-3 June vote that decriminalized sodomy. Robertson said in a letter on the CBN Web site that the ruling "has opened the door to homosexual marriage, bigamy, legalized prostitution and even incest."


The same letter targets three justices in particular: "One justice is 83-years-old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition. Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?"


Judging from the descriptions, Robertson was referring to Justice John Paul Stevens (news - web sites), who was born in 1920, and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg (news - web sites), who had colon cancer surgery in 1999. The identity of the third justice was unclear.
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I guess, with prayer, ANYTHING is possible-especilly when you need to raise more money in the Name of God. This guy is such an embarrassment.
 
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:11 pm

Par for the course, yet again. He is nothing more than a publicity hound. He is one of the more dangerous members of the Religious Right here in the US. Had he'd been successful in his Presidental campaign back in the 1980s, America would be living in a new Puritainical era. Most of these televangelists are nothing more than modern-day versions of the tent revival minister, who gets support through fear (the old Fire and Brimstone).
 
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:24 pm

Alpha 1:

Welcome back!

" The same letter targets three justices in particular: "One justice is 83-years-old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition. Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?""

That's a way to go for a 'good Christian'! Instead of praying to God to cure the cancer and the heart condition, he prays to God so these three die.

"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'"
(from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218.)

Scary.

Here's some more 'great' Robertson quotes:

"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together."

Completely wrong and scary.

"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."

Incredible, although Osama bin Laden probably agrees with him!
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It Again

Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:26 pm

Is this the guy that said 9/11 was because of the gays and lesbians?
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 9:49 pm

That was Falwell, although Robertson agreed.
ISTR they both hastily withdrew their comments in the following mediastorm.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 9:56 pm

Actually it looks like 1-2 justices will be retiring during Bush's term in office to make sure their replacements are Conservatives.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:20 pm

When I read the article, it came accross that Robertson was asking God to let these justices die. That struck me as a bit "un-Christianlike".
 
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:25 pm

I pray that Robertson gets run over by a bus or Mac Trusk. He can take his pick.
 
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:39 pm

"When I read the article, it came accross that Robertson was asking God to let these justices die. That struck me as a bit 'un-Christianlike'."

Sure, but W is always going on about Jesus (as though 'Jesus' is an oil-producing nation), but I want to know Jesus' position on bombing civilians.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:54 pm

These guys are just one step away from Osama Bin-Ladin...and it is very small step: Both have a completely perverted picture of God in their sick minds and both obviously do not care about human life...only OBL is quite a few lives ahead in the statistics.

Therefore: To get rid of this scum I guess any which way is good enough...as long as it works!
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:21 pm

Jesus's stance on bombed civilians is that he loves each and every one of them. Let's try to be more mature and leave nonsense such as Jesus's views on things to the side. I can in return ask, what is Jesus's views on the Muslim radicalists who flew planes into civilian buildings?
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:24 pm

Now if this had come from someone on the left most in this thread would be singing their praises. However since it was someone on the right, they must be attacked and vilified. Last time I checked Pat Robertson still has the right to say whatever he wants, just like everyone else in the United States. I wonder if you would be saying the same thing about what the idiot leader of the NAA(L)CP said during their recent meeting?

Robertson says the things he does, however childish and stupid they may be, because he knows it will get a rise out of the left.

Personally though, I wish he would shut up. He does a disservice to those who call themselves Christians. However, if you want him to be silenced, then be prepared to shut up too. Freedom of Speech applies to everyone or to no one.

From the Liberal Dictionary:

Freedom of Speech- When a liberal is talking

Hate Speech- When a Republican, Conservative, or Christian is talking
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:25 pm

CX747: That is exactly the point...there is no difference!!
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:34 am

"Let's try to be more mature and leave nonsense such as Jesus's views on things to the side."

Try telling that to the religion-crazed nuts in the White House! What the hell is a prayer breakfast? "Forgive us Lord, for we know not what we do."

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:42 am

B757300:

"Now if this had come from someone on the left most in this thread would be singing their praises."

I still have to meet the first 'lefty' to say the stupidities Pat Robertson says!

"However since it was someone on the right, they must be attacked and vilified."

This man's general political standing really isn't the issue here. What really is important is that what he says generally is identified as (extreme) right-wing opinions, and its these opinions that should be attacked, not the man himself.

"Last time I checked Pat Robertson still has the right to say whatever he wants, just like everyone else in the United States."

Unless you're anti-war, anti-Bush and pro-Palestinians (not necessarily in that order or at the same time).

"Robertson says the things he does, however childish and stupid they may be, because he knows it will get a rise out of the left."

Wrong. He says it because he knows there are other people that think exactly the same way but are afraid to say so. He also has his own 'hidden agenda' which in a great way influences what he says and does (just like some other republicans, BTW):

"In recent days, Robertson has used his nationally broadcast television show to charge that the U.S. government has sought to destabilize Liberia and oust President Charles Taylor. Although Taylor is a brutal dictator under indictment for war crimes by the United Nations, he is a business partner of Robertson." (http://www.au.org/press/pr030708.htm)

From the Republican Encyclopedia:

Freedom of Speech: --> See Patriot Act I





PS Why don't you just blame Clinton, like you always do?
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:44 am

OH YES THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SMASHING AN AIRPLANE INTO A CIVILIAN BUILDING and accidentally bombing civilians during a war.

A prayer breakfast is when you get together with other Christians etc and eat breakfast. You pray about different things that you need help with etc. The United States is a Chrisitian Nation founded on Judeo-Christian principals by Judeo-Christian men. There is nothing unusual about what the President is doing. Last time I checked it said "IN GOD WE TRUST" on every piece of United States currency.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:01 am

"Now if this had come from someone on the left most in this thread would be singing their praises. "

We on the so-called left don't send out prayer missives asking for Justices of the Supreme Court to be struck by lightning. Therein lies the difference.

"Hate Speech- When a Republican, Conservative, or Christian is talking"

The usual BS whining from Right-wing hate-spewing dittoheads. Its getting boring now. But, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it is a duck. When Strom, Trent and their buddies call people n*ggers and f*gs, when the religious right calls for pogroms against homosexuals, when a teenager is beaten by homophobic thugs and left to die, then it is hate speech. You may consider that doing God's work, but for the rest of us in contemporary American society, that kind of behavior is worthy of contempt. So, no one is stopping you from calling other people invectives, but you will appear to be a hate-mongerer if you do. Like everyone else in America, you're free to exercise your first amendment rights, but like everyone else in America your words are up for societal judgment as well.

"The United States is a Chrisitian Nation founded on Judeo-Christian principals by Judeo-Christian men."

Sorry. Nowhere does it say that the United States is a Christian nation. Its a nation with freedom of religion, which allows the President to practice his faith, as well as the rest of us to be free from religious impositions by the Government. Learn to live with the accomodating and complicated provisions of the Constitution.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:08 am

The United States is a Chrisitian Nation founded on Judeo-Christian principals by Judeo-Christian men. There is nothing unusual about what the President is doing. Last time I checked it said "IN GOD WE TRUST" on every piece of United States currency

However, I just had a look at the constitution, and the only mention of anything connected to religion is in the first amendment, surely?

We could argue about the boundary all day; suffice it to say that there's a grey area, and the Bush administration is happy to go deep into that grey area with faith-based initiatives and such.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:09 am

Again, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian principals by Judeo Christian men and continues to follow that track today with few deviations. You are free from religous persecution here in the United States, but that does not mean that the overall country as a whole is not Christian. Watch Congress every morning. Before they open the floor their is a morning prayer. Almost every sitting President goes to the same church every Sunday morning and I can't remember a President not ending a speech with "God Bless America".
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:21 am

What are your opinions on this Bush (Sr) quote?
No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:32 am

Anyway, here's another Pat Robertson quote, just because he's an easy target.  Smile

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It Again

Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:56 am

Ha ha! A nation free of religious persecution, but George The First says an atheist isn't a citizen or a patriot? Are you KIDDING?! No wonder the Bush family get on so well with the Bin Ladens, and were so willing to do business with the Taliban.

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:02 am

Pat Robertson gives a bad name to Republicans (although his political views are more inline with the Reform party) and Protestants. That being said, he has the right to say whatever he wants, and we have the right to criticize him for it. I find it funny that you are all piling on B757300 because he affirmed Robertson's right to free speech, when he plainly said, "Pat Robertson gives a bad name to Christians." You are all ready to pounce on someone who believes what Pat is saying is right, tough shit, no one does. Everyone thinks he's a nutjob. Robertson has a right to say whatever he wants, and if you dont believe that, well then, you ought to reevaluate your views toward democracy.

"Last time I checked Pat Robertson still has the right to say whatever he wants, just like everyone else in the United States."

Unless you're anti-war, anti-Bush and pro-Palestinians (not necessarily in that order or at the same time).

Are you sure about that, slingblade? I want to hear about how Bush has cracked down on anti-war demonstrations. Tell me about the thousands rounded up while protesting and thrown in prison.

btw: Launch customer Condor is currently parking their B757300s to rest in the desert...what does that tell you?

Ummm, that Condor is unhappy with the 757300? That was an awful comeback....

when a teenager is beaten by homophobic thugs and left to die, then it is hate speech. You may consider that doing God's work,

Can you quote somebody on that? Or are you just making an overly emotional plea, again?

When Strom, Trent and their buddies call people n*ggers and f*gs

How about when Robert Byrd did the same thing? It goes both ways, chief. What about when Cynthia McKinney, Kwazi Mfume, or Carol Mosely-Braun blame the societal ills of black America on the whites?

This nation is one of Judeo-Christian beliefs...ask 70% of the American people if you dont believe me.

Jaysit, why are you so angry all the time? It always seems youre bitter about something...




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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:41 am

Thank f*** most of the loopy, swivel eyed, pain in the arse puritans left for the 'New World'.
You were welcome to them, and their descendents.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:13 am

"when a teenager is beaten by homophobic thugs and left to die, then it is hate speech. You may consider that doing God's work,

Can you quote somebody on that? Or are you just making an overly emotional plea, again?"

Duh. Ever hear of Fred Phelps? Ever heard of Jerry Fallwells comments about lynching homosexuals in the 80s? Or were you too busy watching cartoons?

"Jaysit, why are you so angry all the time? It always seems youre bitter about something..."

LOL. Not bitter. Just amused by the DUH factor displayed by folks who can't even get a FedEx receipt right and bay on airliners.net for help on such a basic task.

"What about when Cynthia McKinney, Kwazi Mfume, or Carol Mosely-Braun blame the societal ills of black America on the whites?"

LOL. Ever heard of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation? Its called history. Do they teach that in Texas? Or do they not go beyond FedEx 101?
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:22 am

I certainly don't deny Robertson's right, Jcs17, to make a complete ass out of himself, and I will defend his right to do. Problem iwth people like B757300 is that they have no problem with a right-wing nut like Robertson saying such un-Christian things, because he is a conservative, but God help a liberal for saying something like that, and it's treasonous to people like B757300. B757300 is an extremist in my view, and extremists-on both sides-don't think people on the other side have a right to freedom of speech-or even to exist for that matter. He's defending Robertson because he agrees with Robertson. He certainly wouldn't defend an Al Sharpton for saying the same thing.
 
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:46 am

Duh. Ever hear of Fred Phelps? Ever heard of Jerry Fallwells comments about lynching homosexuals in the 80s? Or were you too busy watching cartoons?

Who does Fred Phelps speak for? What about Falwell? Who would fall in behind these comments? I certainly wouldnt and I'm sure 95% of Christians wouldnt.

Besides this, I mean, why dont you go after the Muslim faith and their leaders for being completely unaccepting to homosexuality. Hell, if you get could having sex with another man in Saudi Arabia or Iran, you could be casterated. Nevermind, taking issue with Islam is not p.c., and besides Christian fundamentalists are always an easy target...Hey, I have an idea, lets make it out to sound like these people represent everyone who is a Christian.

LOL. Not bitter. Just amused by the DUH factor displayed by folks who can't even get a FedEx receipt right and bay on airliners.net for help on such a basic task.

If you read the post, you would have seen that I didnt understand the format of an address in India.

LOL. Ever heard of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation? Its called history. Do they teach that in Texas? Or do they not go beyond FedEx 101?

Screw single-parent households, screw shitty schools, screw never-ending hand-outs, screw bad teacher...lets blame it ALL on the whites for the plight of today's African-American. Is that what youre saying?

BTW, I went to a private school in Atlanta for high school, I go to college here.

Its remarkable how you continue to be the rudest and most condescending poster on a.net.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It Again

Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:50 am

He's the rudest poster on a.net?????? Hardly!  Insane

Why Jcs17, do you have a disrespected users list? Can't YOU accept other people's opinions or does everone HAVE to agree w/ you.  Insane

On a personal note, I recently flew into Norfolk, and at the airport was this gigantic sign w/ Pat Robertson. I quiclky headed to the restroom to heave!
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:54 am

Why Jcs17, do you have a disrespected users list? Can't YOU accept other people's opinions or does everone HAVE to agree w/ you.

Please note that the disrespected users list was put into effect because of those member's inability to have a clear and logical conversation without throwing in an insult or making a degrading or snide remark.

Have a nice day.  Smile
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:17 am

Jcs17,I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are a mere joker.
 
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:32 am

I don't trust any preacher that you see on national television. Christianity wasn't meant to be exploited by so-called pastors who whip up their masses into a religious frenzy and do mostly "miracles" and very little preaching. I don't put my faith in people like Buchanan or Falwell.
 
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:52 am

What's really scary to me is how many Americans follow creepy freaks like Pat Robertson. I'd like to think that its just a matter of numbers. With a nation this size there's bound to be a certain percentage of desperate people yearning to believe in something.

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:06 pm

MD-90, I'm beginning to like you more and more.  Big grin
 
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:27 pm

"Besides this, I mean, why dont you go after the Muslim faith and their leaders for being completely unaccepting to homosexuality."

Because, duh, I mean, like, you know . . . I live in America where religious fundamentalists in power are Right Wing Christian wack Jobs. If the Muslim clergy in the US attempted to influence the Supreme Court or American civil society, they'd be up for censure too.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:50 pm

Besides this, I mean, why dont you go after the Muslim faith and their leaders for being completely unaccepting to homosexuality.

Because they don't have any political clout in the U.S? They don't have the ear of the President, like "Christians", like Ashcroft, Santorum, Robertson and Falwell. Note I put Christian in parenthesis, becuase I think these people pervert the Christian faith.

Its remarkable how you continue to be the rudest and most condescending poster on a.net.

You mean, I'm not, Josh? Damn! I'm losing my touch.  Sad

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:28 pm

I seriously doubt that Falwell has an ear with the president.

You want to see desperate? Go watch TBN and see the masses crowding around to hear charlatans like Benny Hinn and be "healed". I'm not saying that miracles don't happen, because they do, but in settings like that? Knocking people to the floor and that heals them?

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:02 pm

Hmm.. Wonder if any relation to known sick pedophile, Neil.. Hmmm..

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:35 am

I am not a religious person at all, however as a conservative its the likes of Pat Robertson and others like him that I PRAY would just shut up. He is a scam artist. There was a movie out I think in the early 90s with Steve Martin in it that followed one of these 'evangelical' preachers. It shows how disgusting these people are.

Very nicely said as well MD-90.
 
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:02 am

Jcs17- On March 20th 2003 (my birthday I may add) I was arrested for protesting and thrown in jail, Along with around 2000 other people So don't gimmie bull about the Bu$h admin. not cracking down on protestors.

Osama Bin Laden = Religious Extremist Nutcase

Pat Roberston = Religious Extremist Nutcase

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:14 am

Pat Robertson is a Republican. Republicans support him, he supports the Republicans. He is one of the best reasons why I will always vote Democrat.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:43 am

Pat Robertson is a Republican. Republicans support him, he supports the Republicans. He is one of the best reasons why I will always vote Democrat.

It's time for you to recieve a whoopin from a MODERATE Republican. Guess what, I don't support this guy. Don't know him, and I don't want to know him. From what I've read, he's a waste.

NEVER generalize. Doesn't make you look to bright.  Big grin

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:55 pm

Generalize ? Saying Pat Robertson is a republican is a fact. Whether you want to support him or not when you vote for a republican you vote for people that support his views ... Why all the personal attacks Boeing4 ever ??? I thought we where tight ???
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:03 pm

Whether you want to support him or not when you vote for a republican you vote for people that support his views ... Why all the personal attacks Boeing4 ever ??? I thought we where tight ???

So if I ran as a Republican, and someone voted for me, that person is voting for a person who automatically supports this guy's views? Come on. Not all Republicans buy into this, and aren't to fond of the fact that he calls himself Republican.

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 2:07 pm

Jcs17- On March 20th 2003 (my birthday I may add) I was arrested for protesting and thrown in jail, Along with around 2000 other people So don't gimmie bull about the Bu$h admin. not cracking down on protestors.

Ummm, $50 says you were doing something illegal. Trespassing? Vandalism? Disturbing the Peace? Where did this happen (I assume that this happened in San Francisco)? You have to have a copy of the citation. Cops dont throw people in jail just for protesting...not only would they be in trouble with the law, but it would make the entire department sucseptible to wrongful arrest lawsuits.

San Francisco is also one of those cities that tends to do very little in terms of crowd control until a situation gets out of hand.

I'd bet my life you were doing something illegal or were in close proximity to an illegal activity to be arrested.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:09 pm

Ummm, $50 says you were doing something illegal.

Ummm, $50 says he was just rounded up, like many anti-war protestors were before the war for no particular reason. Or didn't you watch news other than RNN, who didn't even BOTHER to cover any of the protests around the nation, Jcs? There was a huge crackdown on anti-war protestors, and the overwhelming majority did nothing but make their voice heard-I know that Ashcroft thinks that's seditious, but he's the one with the problem, not those voicing their opposition to a war that shouldn't have been fought.

I'd bet my life you were doing something illegal or were in close proximity to an illegal activity to be arrested.

I'd bet my life that you don't have a clue, Jcs. You're so far up it with Bush, and nodding your agreement at this idiocy around us you can't see past your own warped vision of right and wrong in this country.
 
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:56 pm

Regarding the more notorious televangelists like Benny Hinn, etc.

I have a close relative who does accounting work for several "nonprofit" (wink, wink) religious organizations. These groups make money around the U.S. by holding these "healing services," in front of thousands. These are televised, and donations pour into the pockets of just a few people.

They told my relative that they always put on as many fat, black women as possible because the telephones just light up like a Christmas tree when they are on, doing their "schtik" on the TV screen.

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:51 pm

Geez, why can't robertson go away and live under a rock somewhere. He should move to France along with Aleck Baldwin, Madonna, Martin Sheen, alan alda, Janeane Garofalo, Shawn penn and Alpha uno.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:15 pm

Boeing 4 Ever, you're HILARIOUS! "Doesn't make you look to bright." Don't you mean, "Doesn't make you look TOO bright?"

I wouldn't normally pull someone up on such a small spelling mistake but when it's in a sentence knocking someone else's intelligence, it's got to be done.

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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:14 am

There was a huge crackdown on anti-war protestors, and the overwhelming majority did nothing but make their voice heard-I know that Ashcroft thinks that's seditious, but he's the one with the problem, not those voicing their opposition to a war that shouldn't have been fought.

Bullshit, Alpha 1. Pure, unadulterated bullshit. These protestors are given maximum leeway to have peaceful protests, especially in cities like SFO and Seattle (where the police departments are so liberal, that they hardly ever prosecute people for vandalism during these protests.) I have a question. If all these arrests were to quell the opposition, where are all the wrongful arrest lawsuits against the police departments? Where are they Alpha? Where is the ACLU? Theyd certainly be bitching up a storm if they thought that these anti-war protestors were wronged.

Dont make up fairy tales to play to your virulent hatred of anything Bush or Ashcroft related. These protestors were given a mile, and some of them decided to destroy and vandalize businesses and give a bad name to the rest of the protestors who wanted a peaceful protest.
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RE: Pat Robertson, At It AGain

Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:14 am

In New York, the numbers for the protests were all over the map. I haven't done any serious studying but it seemed to me that the numbers thrown out by the media varied based on their tilt: FoxNews grossly underestimated, while NYTimes had a higher number--although still less than reality, I think.

"These protestors are given maximum leeway to have peaceful protests"

This was certainly not true at all in New York.

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how mainstream "Christian wack-jobs", like Pat Robertson, have become. You can't really use the "you're a bad christian" line these days because for a lot of people the new, patriotic religious fundamentalism has completely changed that line of thinking: it is okay to be a christian and a) have a lot of money without thinking about have-nots (forget about the poor rural demographic of fundamentalist christians--say hello to the phenomenally wealthy, and young, conservative christians in places like Orange County, CA), b) be perfectly alright with military actions and war, c) have absolutely no sense of social justice or the common good (for instance, if everyone got a good education, then we would all be better off). My theory, since nobody asked, is that this demographic is the love child of Jerry Falwell and Ronald Reagan: Fundamentalism meets fiscal conservatism.

If you haven't met these young, hip, rich, conservative, religious types yet, I think you will very soon. Maureen Dowd has...

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